Ron Desantis (The Desantis Doctrine)

[MDlaxfan76]

Fortunately for DeSantis, only about half of Floridians are anti-vax numbskulls.

So, at 47% vaccinated, they rank 26th nationally...a whole bunch of states have a higher percentage of such numbskulls.

Significantly higher proportion of college educated, due in large part to retirement transplants.

Pretty solid correlation between these two lists:

https://wallethub.com/edu/e/most-educated-states/31075

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/p ... ch-15.html

However, the proportions change for Floridians based on party affiliation. Republicans have significantly lower educational attainment on average, so we're going to see a disproportionate impact of the surging virus rates on Republicans in Florida, though there's still some vaccine resistance in minority communities as well...again, typically correlated with education.

On the other hand, many of those older transplants, including those who vote R, nevertheless have been vaccinated. However, Delta is hitting and killing younger at a higher rate than the original strain.

Will Desantis pay a political price if this fall has surging hospitalization and death rates amongst his GOP base?

are there numbers somewhere for delta killing younger at a higher rate?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhas ... c35e762750

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... t-n1273998

I'm not sure there's not an overlap between transmissibility being so high and the rising numbers of hospitalizations and deaths among young people..could be more the transmissibility than the lethality per infection, but they're definitely saying it's also more lethal...among younger, than the prior versions.

My point wasn't intended to be about lethality though, it's about rapidly rising hospitalizations and deaths among younger, unvaccinated people. Note that there are also predictions of as much as a third of those hospitalized, but not dying, having long haul complications.

And given the thread title, the question is whether Desantis will pay a political price. He's not anti-vax per se, but he's tried to pander to the base who are...

[wgdsr]

Fortunately for DeSantis, only about half of Floridians are anti-vax numbskulls.

So, at 47% vaccinated, they rank 26th nationally...a whole bunch of states have a higher percentage of such numbskulls.

Significantly higher proportion of college educated, due in large part to retirement transplants.

Pretty solid correlation between these two lists:

https://wallethub.com/edu/e/most-educated-states/31075

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/p ... ch-15.html

However, the proportions change for Floridians based on party affiliation. Republicans have significantly lower educational attainment on average, so we're going to see a disproportionate impact of the surging virus rates on Republicans in Florida, though there's still some vaccine resistance in minority communities as well...again, typically correlated with education.

On the other hand, many of those older transplants, including those who vote R, nevertheless have been vaccinated. However, Delta is hitting and killing younger at a higher rate than the original strain.

Will Desantis pay a political price if this fall has surging hospitalization and death rates amongst his GOP base?

are there numbers somewhere for delta killing younger at a higher rate?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhas ... c35e762750

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... t-n1273998

I'm not sure there's not an overlap between transmissibility being so high and the rising numbers of hospitalizations and deaths among young people..could be more the transmissibility than the lethality per infection, but they're definitely saying it's also more lethal...among younger, than the prior versions.

My point wasn't intended to be about lethality though, it's about rapidly rising hospitalizations and deaths among younger, unvaccinated people. Note that there are also predictions of as much as a third of those hospitalized, but not dying, having long haul complications.

And given the thread title, the question is whether Desantis will pay a political price. He's not anti-vax per se, but he's tried to pander to the base who are...

just from the forbes link... 1st guardian link doesn't confirm it's more lethal younger, even though that's how it's hyperlinked. and in fact quoted as there not being evidence of that. just more transmissable.

and the medxriv study, page 11, shows the overall death rate all ages to be 20+% lower. once they mash it up, they come back with a higher risk, but like any secret recipe, it's unclear how they model the ingredients. and the p value is 0.37.
any event, the stealth early nature of the variant certainly makes it dangerous for all ages for sickness. take your vit d until the billions flowing in for antivirals kicks in.

[jhu72]

... I haven't seen any hard statistical evidence, but I haven't gone looking. What I have seen is clinicians in the hospitals (not TV talking heads), one after the other for a couple weeks claiming their population profile is very difference from last year and the raw numbers are quickly moving in the wrong direction in their states. Younger folks are in the beds, and pretty much everyone admitted is unvaccinated, which likely explains why you are not seeing as many older folks by comparison. It sure looks like the early days of a surge/wave. It will still be a couple weeks before you really know, although in some states I think it is hard to argue you are not seeing a wave of some magnitude as it stands today.

It is clear we have a very different dynamic compared to the spring where vaccinations were going up, infections and deaths coming down. What caused this change? Delta? Unmasking? Governors opening up for business? The weather? Not vaccinating by itself can't cause what we are seeing, that would likely cause the numbers to tread water.

[Typical Lax Dad]

... I haven't seen any hard statistical evidence, but I haven't gone looking. What I have seen is clinicians in the hospitals (not TV talking heads), one after the other for a couple weeks claiming their population profile is very difference from last year and the raw numbers are quickly moving in the wrong direction in their states. Younger folks are in the beds, and pretty much everyone admitted is unvaccinated, which likely explains why you are not seeing as many older folks by comparison. It sure looks like the early days of a surge/wave. It will still be a couple weeks before you really know, although in some states I think it is hard to argue you are not seeing a wave of some magnitude as it stands today.

It is clear we have a very different dynamic compared to the spring where vaccinations were going up, infections and deaths coming down. What caused this change? Delta? Unmasking? Governors opening up for business? The weather? Not vaccinating by itself can't cause what we are seeing, that would likely cause the numbers to tread water.

Being around other people and moving about freely probably has nothing to do with the numbers rising.

[MDlaxfan76]

... there shall be only one Prima Donna in the party of Trump. At some point their presidential candidate has to become that Prima Donna. At which time the fire works start. As we get closer to 2024 election Trump will either be the nominee of the party or the party will be forced to split. As sure as the sun rises, Trump is not going to lose his primacy without a bloody fight. Of course DeSantis could just be a Trumpsucking beta male, but I doubt that.

He might well position himself for the VP slot.
I don't think he'd play second fiddle to anyone else.

Smarter play would be to stay away until 2028.

[Brooklyn]

South Florida Sees Sharp Increase Of COVID Cases In Recent Weeks


https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/07/14/s ... ent-weeks/


South Florida has seen a resurgence of the coronavirus and that is alarming experts. Broward and Miami-Dade counties have seen positivity rate increases of more than five percent, and more than 9 percent in Monroe.

“We are still seeing cases and they are now rising in our hospitals, here in Miami-Dade,” explains Infectious Disease Specialist, Dr. Aileen Marty. “We are actually seeing an increase in cases again.”


According to the most recent report from the Florida Department of Health, new case positivity more than doubled in the course of three weeks, from 3.8%, June 18th to 7.8% on July 2nd.

”Younger folks who are not vaccinated is where we are seeing the cases the most,” says Infectious Disease Specialist Dr. Bhavarth Shukla.

Dr. Shukla says the time of the year plays a role in South Florida.

”We tend to go indoors more in the summer because everyone wants air conditioning. We have a sort of parallel to the north and what they see in the winter when everyone goes indoors,” he says. “That’s something we saw last year, as well.”

Even for those who are fully vaccinated, it is possible to still contract the virus. Though symptoms will be less severe, health experts say people need to be mindful.

“If you are going to go into a crowded, indoor, poorly ventilated space with people that you don’t know their vaccine status, you really ought to be masking,” says Dr. Marty.


Other factors leading to the increase are the variants. The more COVID spreads, the more it mutates.

According to CDC data, in Florida the Alpha variant, which originated in the U.K., makes up 48% of cases.

The Gamma variant from Brazil makes up 18%.

The Delta variant which originated in India makes up 13%.

The Delta is now the dominant strain in the United States and is of particular concern.

“Because it’s so much more efficient at getting into our cells and causing disease and reproducing, you don’t need as many particles a virus entering your body to get you sick,” says Dr. Marty. “Especially if you’re unvaccinated.”


As cases have gone up, vaccinations over the last few weeks in Florida have gone down. According to the Florida Department of Health report, in the span of three weeks, the number of doses administered went down by about 35%.




DeStupid's idea that Dr Fauci and covid are frauds is a major reason for this. The moron, like his idol Donald Dump, is clearly unqualified for political office.

[Brooklyn]

Florida accounts for 20 percent of all new COVID-19 infections


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... hp&pc=U531





Nearly 20 percent of the nation's new coronavirus infections are now happening in Florida alone, according to a White House official.


Cases are rising across the nation as a whole as the more transmissible delta variant spreads but are concentrated in areas with low vaccination rates.

"Just four states accounted for more than 40 percent of all cases in the past week, with 1 in 5 of all cases occurring in Florida alone," White House COVID-19 coordinator Jeff Zients told reporters during a briefing Friday.

"We will likely ... continue to experience an increase in COVID cases in the weeks ahead, with these cases concentrated in communities with lower vaccination rates," Zients said

Florida is seeing some of the highest coronavirus hospitalizations, new infections and deaths per capita in the country. The numbers bottomed out as vaccinations became available but recently have been climbing.

Currently, the state is reporting an average of 29 new infections for every 100,000 people per day - more than four times the national average.

The positivity rate is hovering around 10 percent, and according to federal data, the seven-day moving average is more than 5,600 cases a day.

About 55 percent of eligible people in Florida have received at least a single dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, putting it around the middle of all states and the District of Columbia.

Gov. Ron DeSantis's (R) campaign team this week began selling "Don't Fauci My Florida" merchandise, the latest in a string of conservative attacks on the nation's top infectious diseases doctor, Anthony Fauci.

DeSantis has proudly bucked the advice of federal health officials - schools remained open, and statewide public health mitigation measures were minimal.

The governor has encouraged people to get vaccinated but also banned businesses from requiring proof of vaccination and has banned local governments from enacting mask mandates. He also successfully sued the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to prevent the federal government from enforcing coronavirus precautions on cruise ships, like vaccination requirements for staff and passengers.

[Brooklyn]

Appeals court allows CDC to enforce rules for cruise ships in blow to DeSatan



https://news.yahoo.com/appeals-court-al ... 59870.html


A federal appeals court ruled Saturday night that the CDC can enforce its framework for cruise ships returning to operation, overturning an earlier district court ruling that would have made the CDC's guidelines mere suggestions.

Why it matters: The resumption of cruise ship activity has been a political flashpoint in Florida. The industry is worth billions of dollars for the state's economy and Gov. Ron DeSatan (Repukeblicon) has aggressively campaigned for its resumption.

State of play: DeSatan sued the CDC in April and last month U.S. District Judge Steven Merryday granted a temporary injunction against the CDC framework for cruise ships, per the Miami Herald.

At the time DeSatan cheered the ruling as a "victory for Florida families."

The big picture: By a 2-1 vote, the three-judge panel on the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals noted that the federal government had demonstrated "requisite showing" to obtain the stay order allowing the CDC regulations to remain in place, but did not elaborate further.

The state can appeal the order to the full circuit.



The moronic judge in the federal district court who granted the injunction forgot that under the Constitution's Supremacy Clause allows the feds to override state laws.

[MDlaxfan76]

To be clear, DeSantis has not actually been on the side of the cruise lines.

Nope, he signed into law a rule forbidding any business to require proof of vaccination for their employees and guests. Cruise lines understood that their business interests were aligned with requiring proof of vaccination. Being able to assure the prospective cruising public that every last person on the boat was vaccinated would make it far more attractive to be on board with thousands of other people packed together for 'fun'...

Much less attractive to not know and to have to wear masks, get tested over and over, or at least feel at risk of cruise going into quarantine and being stuck...

[jhu72]

To be clear, DeSantis has not actually been on the side of the cruise lines.

Nope, he signed into law a rule forbidding any business to require proof of vaccination for their employees and guests. Cruise lines understood that their business interests were aligned with requiring proof of vaccination. Being able to assure the prospective cruising public that every last person on the boat was vaccinated would make it far more attractive to be on board with thousands of other people packed together for 'fun'...

Much less attractive to not know and to have to wear masks, get tested over and over, or at least feel at risk of cruise going into quarantine and being stuck...

... true

[Brooklyn]

From all I have read the real issue is DeSatan's political punditry and his warped view that states have certain rights which overrule federal laws or guidelines. That on this basis the feds cannot order the states (in particular, Florida) what to do with regard to masking and other safety precautions. Obviously the moron has not read the Constitution and its Supremacy Clause or its Commerce Clause. When Congress enacts laws which create a CDC that means it gives that agency the authority to overrule state measures if it finds that the state has not taken sufficient measures to protect the public. Cruise lines can be federally regulated under the Commerce Clause. CDC (a part of the Executive branch of government) can issue rulings that supersede state commercial guidelines. It's all as per the Constitution.

[Brooklyn]

Watching DeSatan is like "like watching a newborn play with his toes".



... DeSatan campaign slogan appears to be "Choose Freedom over Faucism." His campaign sells T-shirts bearing the slogan "Don't Fauci my Florida" and a beer can cozy imprinted with a quote attributed to DeSatan: "How the hell am I going to be able to drink a beer with a mask on?" Fun lovin' guy, our Ron.

This would be marginally amusing, like watching a newborn play with his toes, were it not likely to undermine science-based efforts to beat back the pandemic. DeSatan has targeted Fauci because the latter became the face of the anti-pandemic battle; by attacking Fauci's reputation, DeSatan is undermining the bedrock science at the heart of the battle....

The real threat to the country's ability to fight the virus is no longer a lack of resources — it's the partisan politicization of masks and vaccines to the extent that the most reliable indicator of a locality's vaccination rate is the percentage of votes that went for Donald Trump in the 2020 election.

It's proper to ask whether DeSatan recognizes the consequences of his campaign rhetoric or even cares. The points he makes aren't really designed to communicate policy positions. Rather, they're shibboleths — code words, phrases and images aimed at touching a specific community — in this case, the GOP's Trumpian right wing. For them, Fauci has become merely a symbol of liberal overreach....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/colum ... d=msedgntp



Infantile DeSatan.

[jhu72]

I would rather see us ‘Fauci our Florida’ than have people go through "death by DeSantis"
Debbie Wasserman Schultz

Miami Herald

Orlando Sentinel

... seems no one in Florida even noticed the pandemic is raging in Florida while the governor was off campaigning in Texas.

[jhu72]

The cruise ship industry has decided that unvaccinated passengers leaving out of Florida ports will have a different and more costly experience.

The story.

[Brooklyn]

I would rather see us ‘Fauci our Florida’ than have people go through "death by DeSatan"
Debbie Wasserman Schultz

Miami Herald

Orlando Sentinel

... seems no one in Florida even noticed the pandemic is raging in Florida while the governor was off campaigning in Texas.

Repukeblicon reichsters don't want you to get vaxxed so that you either die or get too sick to work. By slowing economic growth the right wing radical can then blame Biden and the Democrats. Vote Puke, vote treason.

[Peter Brown]

I would rather see us ‘Fauci our Florida’ than have people go through "death by DeSantis"
Debbie Wasserman Schultz

Miami Herald

Orlando Sentinel

... seems no one in Florida even noticed the pandemic is raging in Florida while the governor was off campaigning in Texas.

Why are so many New Jersey residents redomiciling to Florida?

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate/ho ... 00125.html

[Brooklyn]

Pressure mounts for DeSatan in Florida


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... hp&pc=U531


... The troubles in Florida are putting pressure on DeSatan as he seeks to carve out a more robust national profile for himself in anticipation of what his supporters and critics alike see as a potential 2024 presidential run ... The rise in COVID-19 cases in the state, combined with DeSatan's recent trip to the southern border, prompted a scathing editorial from the Orlando Sentinel's editorial board on Tuesday that suggested that the governor was more interested in "burnishing his 2024 presidential ambitions" than addressing Florida's public health challenges.

"To save lives, he must start acting like Florida's governor and less like he's auditioning for Turning Point USA or Texas Gov. Greg Abbott or whatever Fox News host comes calling," the editorial reads, referring to the conservative nonprofit of the same name.



Floridians have taken notice that DeSatan is promoting his political ambitions rather than dealing with the current crises that are killing people in his state. Just like tRump who spent his time playing golf rather than in dealing with the plague that he helped start all over the USA. Vote repukeblican, vote death.

[Peter Brown]

Desantis continues to impress. I could have put this post on the Coronavirus thread, but having thought about it, the decision by Desantis to affirm that Florida schools will not mandate masks regardless of CDC directive belongs here.

Ron is leading; his instincts on American ideals are pitch perfect. Other R governors are taking marching orders from him. You love to see that.

I don’t think it’s controversial to state that children not only do not need masks (the evidence is very strong that from any statistical view, kids have almost nothing to fear from Covid), but masking up over an extended period brings all sorts of bad outcomes from mental health. His decision is merely an affirmation of common sense.

This country really is looking like two different cultures.

My forever belief has been most Americans value freedom and respect, respect to make their own decisions, and that same majority rejects top down authoritarianism.

That’s great news for America and great news for Republicans running on a message of liberty. I’ll be the first to criticize phony Republicans who don’t embrace liberty and unfortunately we still have too many. I’m heartened to see a surge in Hispanic and black voting for the Republican message of liberty and personal responsibility, rejecting the Democratic messages of defunding police, CRT, and socialism. If that momentum continues, 2022 and 2024 elections might be absolute avalanches.

Never bet against America.

[MDlaxfan76]

Love it when you make predictions...based on your track record, how do I place some bets the exact opposite way re Florida?

Here's a prediction...in the next two months, Florida will surpass its prior peak in cases per day and deaths per day will be about a quarter to half peak within 3 months, but skew younger than prior peak. Hope I'm wrong. We hope to be down there by November...

But let's attack Fauci and call that "liberty".

[Peter Brown]

Love it when you make predictions...based on your track record, how do I place some bets the exact opposite way re Florida?

Here's a prediction...in the next two months, Florida will surpass its prior peak in cases per day and deaths per day will be about a quarter to half peak within 3 months, but skew younger than prior peak. Hope I'm wrong. We hope to be down there by November...

But let's attack Fauci and call that "liberty".

I’m not a fan of attacking Fauci. All that is for eyeballs clicks and such. I believe he’s doing the best he can.

That said, he’s not above fair criticism. I’m not too invested in criticism for outrage sake like Tucker occasionally veers off to; I am invested in leaders who exhibit common sense. Desantis is that.

I know you don’t like Desantis but you can’t honestly sit there and say he’s not impressing. He is.

And. You could be correct on Florida; it wouldn’t surprise me. But that doesn’t also mean kids should wear masks. People dying of Covid have comorbities, and Desantis can’t control nor prevent that. He can keep the economy open. And he should.