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Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 7:31 am
by lorin
nyjay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:57 pm
This is apparently the first year since 1945 where no JHU player has appeared on this list. That's a long time. Amazing. And depressing.
Sowers first team shows you the vote is bases on popularity. 8th in assist, 11th in points, 50th in goals, maybe one big game all year. Great all time player but not deserving of first team 2021.
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 8:29 am
by 10stone5
Michael Sowers is 3rd in points.
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 8:37 am
by lorin
10stone5 wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:29 am
Michael Sowers is 3rd in points.
You can’t go by inside lacrosse some teams played 26 games some 11 or 12, Go to NCAA Men’s lacrosse that the official stats per game
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 8:38 am
by lorin
lorin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:37 am
10stone5 wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:29 am
Michael Sowers is 3rd in points.
You can’t go by inside lacrosse some teams played 26 games some 11 or 12, Go to NCAA Men’s lacrosse that the official stats per game
Meant to say 16 games
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 8:40 am
by blue angels
lorin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:31 am
nyjay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:57 pm
This is apparently the first year since 1945 where no JHU player has appeared on this list. That's a long time. Amazing. And depressing.
Sowers first team shows you the vote is bases on popularity. 8th in assist, 11th in points, 50th in goals, maybe one big game all year. Great all time player but not deserving of first team 2021.
I am anything but a Duke fan however, who should replace Sowers on the team and why? Using only stats to choose a team is really sketchy because it doesn't take into account the competition those stats were achieved against. Do you think any of the final 4 coaches, who might play Duke wouldn't be more worried about the Sowers matchup than against a player like Caraway, also on the 1st team? Caraway is a fine player but not in the same league as Bernhardt, Sowers or Gray. Sowers gets so much attention that he is really effective, not only in points, but also freeing up others to make plays by occupying so much defensive attention.
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 8:53 am
by Typical Lax Dad
blue angels wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:40 am
lorin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:31 am
nyjay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:57 pm
This is apparently the first year since 1945 where no JHU player has appeared on this list. That's a long time. Amazing. And depressing.
Sowers first team shows you the vote is bases on popularity. 8th in assist, 11th in points, 50th in goals, maybe one big game all year. Great all time player but not deserving of first team 2021.
I am anything but a Duke fan however, who should replace Sowers on the team and why? Using only stats to choose a team is really sketchy because it doesn't take into account the competition those stats were achieved against. Do you think any of the final 4 coaches, who might play Duke wouldn't be more worried about the Sowers matchup than against a player like Caraway, also on the 1st team? Caraway is a fine player but not in the same league as Bernhardt, Sowers or Gray. Sowers gets so much attention that he is really effective, not only in points, but also freeing up others to make plays by occupying so much defensive attention.
Other than his freshman year when he only had 41 assists, Michael Sowers was + 50 assists a year and was averaging 6 assists ppg last season. I wonder why his assists totals were down this year?
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 9:00 am
by Bacondoesstuff
I don't agree with the DPOY award. Down year for him.
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 9:11 am
by lorin
blue angels wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:40 am
lorin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:31 am
nyjay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:57 pm
This is apparently the first year since 1945 where no JHU player has appeared on this list. That's a long time. Amazing. And depressing.
Sowers first team shows you the vote is bases on popularity. 8th in assist, 11th in points, 50th in goals, maybe one big game all year. Great all time player but not deserving of first team 2021.
I am anything but a Duke fan however, who should replace Sowers on the team and why? Using only stats to choose a team is really sketchy because it doesn't take into account the competition those stats were achieved against. Do you think any of the final 4 coaches, who might play Duke wouldn't be more worried about the Sowers matchup than against a player like Caraway, also on the 1st team? Caraway is a fine player but not in the same league as Bernhardt, Sowers or Gray. Sowers gets so much attention that he is really effective, not only in points, but also freeing up others to make plays by occupying so much defensive attention.
Nichtern from Army has better stats in Assist, Goals, Points per game, in common opponents Cuse, Virginia, Loyola, he has better stats. He also is pretty good at drawing attention and freeing up others to make plays.
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 10:35 am
by molo
I’m neither a Duke not Princeton fan, but Sowers deserves first team. St Pat was close. Who else would you choose instead of Sowers?
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 10:48 am
by Gatsby
nyjay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 11:57 pm
This is apparently the first year since 1945 where no JHU player has appeared on this list. That's a long time. Amazing. And depressing.
I searched for Hopkins and was surprised it came back with zero. I thought maybe the Jays' stars Epstein and Williams might get honorable mentions especially since that category is extensive and often seems to be the reward for an overall good career even if this year might be down. I was wondering how long it had been since no JHU player was on the list. Interesting.
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 10:54 am
by Gatsby
I would have thought Kavanagh over Sowers on the first team. Sowers picked it up a little in recent games but he seemed not as outstanding throughout the season, but that's relative to the super high expectations of him coming into the season.
Interestingly, the category that I thought Sowers would be much higher than Kavanagh in -- assists per game -- Kavanagh is higher. And the category that I thought Kavanagh would be higher than Sowers -- goals per game -- Sowers is higher.
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 11:12 am
by jrn19
molo wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:35 am
I’m neither a Duke not Princeton fan, but Sowers deserves first team. St Pat was close. Who else would you choose instead of Sowers?
Kavanagh. Because he was clearly better
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 11:35 am
by bananas
Guess we shall find out soon enough about Harris and Sowers.
Surprised Harris was 1st team lest DPOY. Would have had Grill or Makar in his spot.
Like to see it but doubt Harris assigned Bernhardt. Duke has lacked a truly top defender since Van Rapphorst left.
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 4:11 pm
by Comeonman
Virginia, Carolina and Maryland all led the AA list with nine apiece. Next with eight are Duke (rounding out the Final Four teams) and Georgetown. Syracuse had seven, and Notre Dame had six.
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 8:20 pm
by lorin
Comeonman wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:11 pm
Virginia, Carolina and Maryland all led the AA list with nine apiece. Next with eight are Duke (rounding out the Final Four teams) and Georgetown. Syracuse had seven, and Notre Dame had six.
Tierney second team AA?
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 8:36 pm
by oldbartman
lorin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:20 pm
Comeonman wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:11 pm
Virginia, Carolina and Maryland all led the AA list with nine apiece. Next with eight are Duke (rounding out the Final Four teams) and Georgetown. Syracuse had seven, and Notre Dame had six.
Tierney second team AA?
Yes! It's a lot "easier" to get AA recognition on a top 5 team. Tierney made Hofstra relevant.
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 8:53 pm
by lorin
oldbartman wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:36 pm
lorin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:20 pm
Comeonman wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:11 pm
Virginia, Carolina and Maryland all led the AA list with nine apiece. Next with eight are Duke (rounding out the Final Four teams) and Georgetown. Syracuse had seven, and Notre Dame had six.
Tierney second team AA?
Yes! It's a lot "easier" to get AA recognition on a top 5 team. Tierney made Hofstra relevant.
Did he made the team better?
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 9:21 pm
by 10stone5
lorin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:53 pm
oldbartman wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:36 pm
lorin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:20 pm
Comeonman wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:11 pm
Virginia, Carolina and Maryland all led the AA list with nine apiece. Next with eight are Duke (rounding out the Final Four teams) and Georgetown. Syracuse had seven, and Notre Dame had six.
Tierney second team AA?
Yes! It's a lot "easier" to get AA recognition on a top 5 team. Tierney made Hofstra relevant.
Did he made the team better?
Of course.
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 9:23 pm
by lorin
10stone5 wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:21 pm
lorin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:53 pm
oldbartman wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:36 pm
lorin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:20 pm
Comeonman wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:11 pm
Virginia, Carolina and Maryland all led the AA list with nine apiece. Next with eight are Duke (rounding out the Final Four teams) and Georgetown. Syracuse had seven, and Notre Dame had six.
Tierney second team AA?
Yes! It's a lot "easier" to get AA recognition on a top 5 team. Tierney made Hofstra relevant.
Did he made the team better?
Of course.
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I guess the kid on LIU should be AA he made that team relevant
Re: 2021 USILA All-Americans
Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 10:01 pm
by wgdsr
lorin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:23 pm
10stone5 wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:21 pm
lorin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:53 pm
oldbartman wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:36 pm
lorin wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:20 pm
Comeonman wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 4:11 pm
Virginia, Carolina and Maryland all led the AA list with nine apiece. Next with eight are Duke (rounding out the Final Four teams) and Georgetown. Syracuse had seven, and Notre Dame had six.
Tierney second team AA?
Yes! It's a lot "easier" to get AA recognition on a top 5 team. Tierney made Hofstra relevant.
Did he made the team better?
Of course.
I guess the kid on LIU should be AA he made that team relevant
can i assume you like nichtern there?
and that you'll similarly be on carraway soon?