An alliance with Arab autocracies, formed to contain an Iranian autocratic theocracy that is bent on regional domination, destabilization & sponsorship of terrorist proxies.
Arab rulers like those in UAE, Bahrain, Qatar & even Saudi Arabia, are moving in the right direction compared to the Iranian theocracy & their IRGC enforcers & exporters of terrorism.
Details of the $1.7B transfer to Iran required by international courts and a negotiated treaty, including the legal reason why the payment was made in physical non-US currency and not by wire transfer. Recall the pallet of money was part of the “proof” that the transfer was shady.
With JCPOA. Obama let Iran off the hook & financed their proxy wars that inflame the region & make the Sunni-Shia conflict a permanent state of war.
Combined with his premature withdrawal & disinterest in Iraq & Syria, he set back the prospects for peace in the ME for decades.
The Arabs do not want war or sectarian conflict. The militant Iranians are the disruptive threat.
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:01 pm
by a fan
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:56 pm
With JCPOA. Obama let Iran off the hook & financed their proxy wars that inflame the region & make the Sunni-Shia conflict a permanent state of war.
Combined with his premature withdrawal & disinterest in Iraq & Syria, he set back the prospects for peace in the ME for decades.
The Arabs do not want war or sectarian conflict. The militant Iranians are the disruptive threat.
As usual, your "lets look back in time and see who's to blame" magically stops at Obama.
Who CHOSE to make Iran our enemy, OS?
Who CHOSE to arm Saddam to (snicker) "fix" the fact that we made Iran our enemy?
Who CHOSE to then disarm Saddam, creating a power void in the ME?
But of course, it's all Obama's fault. Sell it somewhere else, OS.
Wanna blame someone? Blame US Intel. Something you did with RELISH when they were mean to Trump.
Next time, don't tell a President and our Allies that Iran is months---months----away from getting a nuke, OS.
Ever poster here knows doggone well that had Obama done nothing about that US intel, and Iran got a nuke? You'd be on here 24/7 blaming Obama for sitting on his hands.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:56 pm
With JCPOA. Obama let Iran off the hook & financed their proxy wars that inflame the region & make the Sunni-Shia conflict a permanent state of war.
Combined with his premature withdrawal & disinterest in Iraq & Syria, he set back the prospects for peace in the ME for decades.
The Arabs do not want war or sectarian conflict. The militant Iranians are the disruptive threat.
As usual, your "lets look back in time and see who's to blame" magically stops at Obama.
Who CHOSE to make Iran our enemy, OS?
Who CHOSE to arm Saddam to (snicker) "fix" the fact that we made Iran our enemy?
Who CHOSE to then disarm Saddam, creating a power void in the ME?
But of course, it's all Obama's fault. Sell it somewhere else, OS.
Wanna blame someone? Blame US Intel. Something you did with RELISH when they were mean to Trump.
Next time, don't tell a President and our Allies that Iran is months---months----away from getting a nuke, OS.
Ever poster here knows doggone well that had Obama done nothing about that US intel, and Iran got a nuke? You'd be on here 24/7 blaming Obama for sitting on his hands.
Just look how things have played out in the ME since Obama bailed out of Iraq & let Iran off the hook. You keep going back to 1979, 1991, or 2003. That's no excuse for Obama blowing up the hard fought progress which was achieved in overcoming those previous mistakes by multiple Presidencies.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:56 pm
With JCPOA. Obama let Iran off the hook & financed their proxy wars that inflame the region & make the Sunni-Shia conflict a permanent state of war.
Combined with his premature withdrawal & disinterest in Iraq & Syria, he set back the prospects for peace in the ME for decades.
The Arabs do not want war or sectarian conflict. The militant Iranians are the disruptive threat.
As usual, your "lets look back in time and see who's to blame" magically stops at Obama.
Who CHOSE to make Iran our enemy, OS?
Who CHOSE to arm Saddam to (snicker) "fix" the fact that we made Iran our enemy?
Who CHOSE to then disarm Saddam, creating a power void in the ME?
But of course, it's all Obama's fault. Sell it somewhere else, OS.
Wanna blame someone? Blame US Intel. Something you did with RELISH when they were mean to Trump.
Next time, don't tell a President and our Allies that Iran is months---months----away from getting a nuke, OS.
Ever poster here knows doggone well that had Obama done nothing about that US intel, and Iran got a nuke? You'd be on here 24/7 blaming Obama for sitting on his hands.
Just look how things have played out in the ME since Obama bailed out of Iraq & let Iran off the hook. You keep going back to 1979, 1991, or 2003. That's no excuse for Obama blowing up the hard fought progress which was achieved in overcoming those previous mistakes by multiple Presidencies.
nbd, Old Salt. Just historic peace treaties from Arab to Israeli sworn enemies.
The important thing, and eyes on the prize! Orange Man Bad!
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:17 pm
by a fan
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:06 pm
Just look how things have played out in the ME since Obama bailed out of Iraq & let Iran off the hook.
I have. Things are fine. Our troops are at reduced levels, and the ME is the same sh*tshow it's been for hundreds of years. And you can blame 50 years of bad foreign policy choices for where we are.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:06 pm
You keep going back to 1979, 1991, or 2003.
Yes. And you "coincidentally" keep going back to 2010 and only 2010, and Obama's little D, making him to blame for decades of epic American stupidity in the Middle East. It's ridiculous, and you know it. "Everything was perfect until Obama came along and wrecked everything "would fail out of any Grad School program that discussed US involvement in the ME, and you know it.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:06 pm
That's no excuse for Obama blowing up the hard fought progress which was achieved in overcoming those previous mistakes by multiple Presidencies.
He didn't do any such thing, any more than Bush blew up the progress by taking out Saddam, and declaring Iran the winner. Or Reagan blew up progress by stupidly bankrolling Saddam. Just stop.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:56 pm
With JCPOA. Obama let Iran off the hook & financed their proxy wars that inflame the region & make the Sunni-Shia conflict a permanent state of war.
Combined with his premature withdrawal & disinterest in Iraq & Syria, he set back the prospects for peace in the ME for decades.
The Arabs do not want war or sectarian conflict. The militant Iranians are the disruptive threat.
As usual, your "lets look back in time and see who's to blame" magically stops at Obama.
Who CHOSE to make Iran our enemy, OS?
Who CHOSE to arm Saddam to (snicker) "fix" the fact that we made Iran our enemy?
Who CHOSE to then disarm Saddam, creating a power void in the ME?
But of course, it's all Obama's fault. Sell it somewhere else, OS.
Wanna blame someone? Blame US Intel. Something you did with RELISH when they were mean to Trump.
Next time, don't tell a President and our Allies that Iran is months---months----away from getting a nuke, OS.
Ever poster here knows doggone well that had Obama done nothing about that US intel, and Iran got a nuke? You'd be on here 24/7 blaming Obama for sitting on his hands.
Just look how things have played out in the ME since Obama bailed out of Iraq & let Iran off the hook. You keep going back to 1979, 1991, or 2003. That's no excuse for Obama blowing up the hard fought progress which was achieved in overcoming those previous mistakes by multiple Presidencies.
nbd, Old Salt. Just historic peace treaties from Arab to Israeli sworn enemies.
The important thing, and eyes on the prize! Orange Man Bad!
They teach reading at UFLorida, Pete? What part of my "Score one for Team Trump" can't you digest? Is the word "score" too big for you to read?
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:56 pm
With JCPOA. Obama let Iran off the hook & financed their proxy wars that inflame the region & make the Sunni-Shia conflict a permanent state of war.
Combined with his premature withdrawal & disinterest in Iraq & Syria, he set back the prospects for peace in the ME for decades.
The Arabs do not want war or sectarian conflict. The militant Iranians are the disruptive threat.
As usual, your "lets look back in time and see who's to blame" magically stops at Obama.
Who CHOSE to make Iran our enemy, OS?
Who CHOSE to arm Saddam to (snicker) "fix" the fact that we made Iran our enemy?
Who CHOSE to then disarm Saddam, creating a power void in the ME?
But of course, it's all Obama's fault. Sell it somewhere else, OS.
Wanna blame someone? Blame US Intel. Something you did with RELISH when they were mean to Trump.
Next time, don't tell a President and our Allies that Iran is months---months----away from getting a nuke, OS.
Ever poster here knows doggone well that had Obama done nothing about that US intel, and Iran got a nuke? You'd be on here 24/7 blaming Obama for sitting on his hands.
Just look how things have played out in the ME since Obama bailed out of Iraq & let Iran off the hook. You keep going back to 1979, 1991, or 2003. That's no excuse for Obama blowing up the hard fought progress which was achieved in overcoming those previous mistakes by multiple Presidencies.
nbd, Old Salt. Just historic peace treaties from Arab to Israeli sworn enemies.
The important thing, and eyes on the prize! Orange Man Bad!
They teach reading at UFLorida, Pete? What part of my "Score one for Team Trump" can't you digest? Is the word "score" too big for you to read?
My eyes must be failing with Antifa shining laser pointers into them.
Where did you ever write "Score one for Team Trump"? Where am I missing that?
I see more TDS hysteria, but I do not see that sentence.
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:55 pm
by MDlaxfan76
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:50 pm
It's very big, positive development.
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:50 pm
It's very big, positive development.
Score one for Team Trump. Well done.
It's only two pages of entries, Petey...
Ok, relax, relax. I thought he was referring to his posts in the thread he was recapturing.
How are we expected to re-read every post!?!?
You're not. Guess what that means? Either A. don't assume, or B. when you do assume, don't make a big deal when you get made fun of for making a mistake.... It happens to me, too, you know.
Do you see any mention of Trump in my that post to Old Salt? Nope. So.......
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:50 pm
It's very big, positive development.
Score one for Team Trump. Well done.
It's only two pages of entries, Petey...
Ok, relax, relax. I thought he was referring to his posts in the thread he was recapturing.
How are we expected to re-read every post!?!?
You're not. Guess what that means? Either A. don't assume, or B. when you do assume, don't make a big deal when you get made fun of for making a mistake.... It happens to me, too, you know.
Do you see any mention of Trump in my that post to Old Salt? Nope. So.......
Forget that.
Let’s get back to Orange Man Bad, Code Red. Only 48 days or so til election day. Right now, Trump is gonna win by a landslide. Back to work on the hysteria!
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:06 pm
Just look how things have played out in the ME since Obama bailed out of Iraq & let Iran off the hook.
I have. Things are fine. Our troops are at reduced levels, and the ME is the same sh*tshow it's been for hundreds of years.
And you can blame 50 years of bad foreign policy choices for where we are. That's your in-depth analysis. Things can never change. Yesterday we got a glimpse of how they can change, thanks to progressive, forward looking Arabs like those leading the UAE & Bahrain.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:06 pm
You keep going back to 1979, 1991, or 2003.
Yes. And you "coincidentally" keep going back to 2010 and only 2010, and Obama's little D, making him to blame for decades of epic American stupidity in the Middle East. It's ridiculous, and you know it. "Everything was perfect until Obama came along and wrecked everything "would fail out of any Grad School program that discussed US involvement in the ME, and you know it. Because 2010 was the last major reset. We decimated IS under Trump, now he's pulling us out the right way, so things don't fall apart when we suddenly depart.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:06 pm
That's no excuse for Obama blowing up the hard fought progress which was achieved in overcoming those previous mistakes by multiple Presidencies.
He didn't do any such thing, any more than Bush blew up the progress by taking out Saddam, and declaring Iran the winner. Or Reagan blew up progress by stupidly bankrolling Saddam. Just stop. Biden was Obama's point man on Iraq. He botched the SOFA negotiations, engineered our total withdrawal, abandoned the Sunni's to placate the Iranians, left Iraq wide open for IS & was there when Obama dismissed them as the JV.
Biden will bring back Susan Rice, Wendy Sherman & the same cast of characters who blew up the ME, spawned ISIS & unleashed Iran & their proxies. Biden was there with them, making all those wrong decisions which Bob Gates called him out for.
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:32 pm
by a fan
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:18 pm
That's your in-depth analysis. Things can never change. Yesterday we got a glimpse of how they can change, thanks to progressive, forward looking Arabs like those leading the UAE & Bahrain.
Charlie Wilson thought the same thing, OS. Forgive me if I'm skeptical. We'll see.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:06 pm
Because 2010 was the last major reset.
No. Trump was the last major reset if you're touting the wiping out of the ISIS idiots dumb enough to come out in the open.
I"ve told you that all things being equal? I'm THRILLED with how Trump has handled the Middle East. I'd have preferred he stay out of Saudi Arabia, and kept to the TPP, but whatever. Close enough.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:06 pm
Biden was Obama's point man on Iraq. He botched the SOFA negotiations, engineered our total withdrawal, abandoned the Sunni's to placate the Iranians, left Iraq wide open for IS & was there when Obama dismissed them as the JV.
They were 100% the JV. How many Americans did ISIS hit? Now how many Americans did AL Q hit, OS?
If Trump had called ISIS the JV, right before he finished them off for being dumb enough to fight in the open? You'd be here, nodding your head in agreement.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:06 pm
Biden will bring back Susan Rice, Wendy Sherman & the same cast of characters who blew up the ME, spawned ISIS & unleashed Iran & their proxies.
I'd frame it! It would be what we call humor, a concept lacking (I realize) in most libs now, but it would stoke conversation and provide amusement. Actually you just gave me a great idea! I might buy some Trump U diplomas and buy Xmas gifts for my lib friends with their names emblazoned!
I bet you'd hate my large Confederate flag art that a college friend who is now an accomplished artist sold to me 25 years ago before she became successful! Reluctantly, and only because you lib yahoos are so butt sensitive, I banished it to a room where no one really goes ...next to my gun collection! War of Yankee Aggression, baby. Yee-haw!
Re: Israel's Accord
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:22 pm
by njbill
Why I do these things for you, Pete, I’ll never know.
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:56 pm
With JCPOA. Obama let Iran off the hook & financed their proxy wars that inflame the region & make the Sunni-Shia conflict a permanent state of war.
Combined with his premature withdrawal & disinterest in Iraq & Syria, he set back the prospects for peace in the ME for decades.
The Arabs do not want war or sectarian conflict. The militant Iranians are the disruptive threat.
As usual, your "lets look back in time and see who's to blame" magically stops at Obama.
Who CHOSE to make Iran our enemy, OS?
Who CHOSE to arm Saddam to (snicker) "fix" the fact that we made Iran our enemy?
Who CHOSE to then disarm Saddam, creating a power void in the ME?
But of course, it's all Obama's fault. Sell it somewhere else, OS.
Wanna blame someone? Blame US Intel. Something you did with RELISH when they were mean to Trump.
Next time, don't tell a President and our Allies that Iran is months---months----away from getting a nuke, OS.
Ever poster here knows doggone well that had Obama done nothing about that US intel, and Iran got a nuke? You'd be on here 24/7 blaming Obama for sitting on his hands.
Just look how things have played out in the ME since Obama bailed out of Iraq & let Iran off the hook. You keep going back to 1979, 1991, or 2003. That's no excuse for Obama blowing up the hard fought progress which was achieved in overcoming those previous mistakes by multiple Presidencies.
nbd, Old Salt. Just historic peace treaties from Arab to Israeli sworn enemies.
The important thing, and eyes on the prize! Orange Man Bad!
“Historic peace treaties” between “sworn enemies”. If I keep reading this moron’s posts I’m going to find myself with no more rump to laugh off.
Somebody needs to show me where, in the history of either Bahrain or the UAE, either have been at war with Israel. All I can find in my research is that all three have common enemies.
As usual, your "lets look back in time and see who's to blame" magically stops at Obama.