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Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:33 pm
by foreverlax
old salt wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:29 pm
foreverlax wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:33 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:07 pm
foreverlax wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:46 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:32 pm
foreverlax wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:29 pm
what do you think Obama's pivot to Asia was ?
A plan to gain some leverage in that region....by having a trade deal with everyone but China.

What is Trump's plan...wait them out?
You're confusing TPP with the pivot to Asia.
What does that even mean?

Again, what is Trump's plan?
Pivot to Asia

Trump's plan is to reduce our trade deficit with China, keep the S China Sea lanes open, continue building our Asian alliances, & militarily re-assuring our S Korean & Japanese allies, while deterring N Korea conventionally, not relying soley on our nuc umbrella,
Trump could have reduced the trade deficit with China through TPP.
China was not a party to TPP. I mentioned TPP only because it was (imho) Trump's primary divergence from Obama's Asian policy,
...along with stooping to maintain personal relationships with Kim & Duarte.
Exactly!! China not being in TPP is exactly how our trade deficit with them would go down - we would buy the stuff from TPP members in lieu of China. But you knew that.

Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:37 pm
by old salt
foreverlax wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:33 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:29 pm
foreverlax wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:33 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:07 pm
foreverlax wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:46 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:32 pm
foreverlax wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:29 pm
what do you think Obama's pivot to Asia was ?
A plan to gain some leverage in that region....by having a trade deal with everyone but China.

What is Trump's plan...wait them out?
You're confusing TPP with the pivot to Asia.
What does that even mean?

Again, what is Trump's plan?
Pivot to Asia

Trump's plan is to reduce our trade deficit with China, keep the S China Sea lanes open, continue building our Asian alliances, & militarily re-assuring our S Korean & Japanese allies, while deterring N Korea conventionally, not relying soley on our nuc umbrella,
Trump could have reduced the trade deficit with China through TPP.
China was not a party to TPP. I mentioned TPP only because it was (imho) Trump's primary divergence from Obama's Asian policy,
...along with stooping to maintain personal relationships with Kim & Duarte.
Exactly!! China not being in TPP is exactly how our trade deficit with them would go down - we would buy the stuff from TPP members in lieu of China. But you knew that.
But that wouldn't reduce our overall trade deficit -- just shift part of it to TPP members,
...along with the slave labor & enviro-damage.

Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:44 pm
by foreverlax
But that wouldn't reduce our overall trade deficit -- just shift part of it to TPP members,
...along with the slave labor & enviro-damage.
Your assumption is something we will never know.....

Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:41 pm
by holmes435
old salt wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:37 pm
foreverlax wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:33 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:29 pm
foreverlax wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:33 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:07 pm
foreverlax wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:46 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:32 pm
foreverlax wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:29 pm
what do you think Obama's pivot to Asia was ?
A plan to gain some leverage in that region....by having a trade deal with everyone but China.

What is Trump's plan...wait them out?
You're confusing TPP with the pivot to Asia.
What does that even mean?

Again, what is Trump's plan?
Pivot to Asia

Trump's plan is to reduce our trade deficit with China, keep the S China Sea lanes open, continue building our Asian alliances, & militarily re-assuring our S Korean & Japanese allies, while deterring N Korea conventionally, not relying soley on our nuc umbrella,
Trump could have reduced the trade deficit with China through TPP.
China was not a party to TPP. I mentioned TPP only because it was (imho) Trump's primary divergence from Obama's Asian policy,
...along with stooping to maintain personal relationships with Kim & Duarte.
Exactly!! China not being in TPP is exactly how our trade deficit with them would go down - we would buy the stuff from TPP members in lieu of China. But you knew that.
But that wouldn't reduce our overall trade deficit -- just shift part of it to TPP members,
...along with the slave labor & enviro-damage.
Except there were agreements in the TPP which required many of those Asian countries to improve labor protection. There were also agreements in there about environmental issues.

Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:40 pm
by jhu72
No thread seems to fit this topic, so I put it here.

Navy Seal goes on trial for being an apparent nut case.

Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:48 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
jhu72 wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:40 pm No thread seems to fit this topic, so I put it here.

Navy Seal goes on trial for being an apparent nut case.
I read that earlier. Sick individual.

Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:33 am
by OCanada
The reaction ps his immediate superiors reminds me of the Church and the Boy Scouts’ reaction to a pedophile.

There are people who fetishize these people.

One reason we do not permit organizations to investigate war crimes is they exist. If anyone is interested in what Vietnam was like try Kill Anything That Moves. One reason given for not talking about combat is the need to revisit what was seen or done either of which might be extremely traumatic. My Lai was not a singular event.

If 7 SEALs are risking there careers and everything they believe in what they witnessed must have been way beyond the pale not a little bit over the line imo

Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:46 am
by runrussellrun
holmes435 wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:41 pm
Except there were agreements in the TPP which required many of those Asian countries to improve labor protection. There were also agreements in there about environmental issues.
Curious as to where you came to those conclusions. Mexican labor wasn't part of the TPP "protection", and, as always, almost ALL of these agreements are all bark and no bite. Unenforceable. Regarding the environmental issues, so many "green" groups may disagree with you. (links below)
Coupled with the MEA's and MARPOL (ship nastiness ) that are about as useful as a New Years resolution (none use), the TPP just doesn't cut the mustard.

https://content.sierraclub.org/creative ... 03_low.pdf

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/is-the-t ... _b_8078460

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/4-reason ... t-the-tpp/

Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:44 am
by dislaxxic
THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF ["CON"-IN CHIEF?] KEEPS INSTRUCTING HIS NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS NOT TO PROTECT THE COUNTRY

Why does this stiff continue to refuse to protect the country's elections?

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Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:57 pm
by holmes435
runrussellrun wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:46 am
holmes435 wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:41 pm
Except there were agreements in the TPP which required many of those Asian countries to improve labor protection. There were also agreements in there about environmental issues.
Curious as to where you came to those conclusions. Mexican labor wasn't part of the TPP "protection", and, as always, almost ALL of these agreements are all bark and no bite. Unenforceable. Regarding the environmental issues, so many "green" groups may disagree with you. (links below)
Coupled with the MEA's and MARPOL (ship nastiness ) that are about as useful as a New Years resolution (none use), the TPP just doesn't cut the mustard.

https://content.sierraclub.org/creative ... 03_low.pdf

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/is-the-t ... _b_8078460

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/4-reason ... t-the-tpp/
Here's the .Gov Environment summary of the TPP - https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/TP ... onment.pdf

Yes, Mexican labor wasn't included in that particular agreement, but a ton of other countries were.

Axing the agreement was throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There were many issues with it (I found a lot of the technology related issues troublesome), but don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Instead of being at the table to demand some improvements, we don't have any.

What have we done in place of the TPP to help? Exactly.

Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 8:29 am
by dislaxxic
Is Putin cleaning Trump's clock with his support of Maduro?

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Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 1:09 pm
by dislaxxic
The President’s personal lawyer is conducting unofficial diplomacy abroad, apparently mixed with his own private business and investments, in which he offers friendly treatment from the President of the United States in exchange for those governments targeting the President’s political enemies. [TPM]

But...But..."No Collusion! No Obstruction!!" Sez Shirt-For-Brains

Morons.

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Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 3:04 pm
by runrussellrun
dislaxxic wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 1:09 pm The President’s personal lawyer is conducting unofficial diplomacy abroad, apparently mixed with his own private business and investments, in which he offers friendly treatment from the President of the United States in exchange for those governments targeting the President’s political enemies. [TPM]

But...But..."No Collusion! No Obstruction!!" Sez Shirt-For-Brains

Morons.

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Go ahead......name someone.........anyone.......alligators have know ice cream, because they no it all.

Did John Kerry own stock in companies that needed help from the Sect. of State? TAATS exists.........

Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 12:23 pm
by dislaxxic

Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 7:21 am
by OCanada
So rrr make your case. What did he own? When did he but them? How were his investments managed while he was SoS? What actions did he take that specifically advantaged them and were illegal ?

Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 11:38 am
by dislaxxic
Time to Get Very Worried About Trump and Iran [TPM Paywall]

Because it's premium content...
I am some mix of hoping and thinking that the administration’s extremely aggressive signals towards Iran are some kind of bluff. But I’m not confident that is the case. Trump came in, scrapped the Iran deal and put new sanctions in place to force the Iranians to the bargaining table on US terms – obviously terms they hoped would be far more favorable than the ones that produced the scrapped deal. That never made sense even on its own terms. Now they’re frustrated and at least threatening a military confrontation. There are at least some signs that administration officials believe that a heavy volley of cruise missiles or a sustained aerial bombardment – as opposed to an actual invasion – will put the Iranians in a mood to negotiate, an idea belied by decades or even a century of military history.

This is really all madness. But I want to focus on something specific and equally worrying, the current top appointees of the President.


After the brief Flynn period, Donald Trump had a cabinet filled with hawks. He had H.R. McMaster, Jim Mattis, John Kelly, Dan Coats, Mike Pompeo. Mattis was the most important of these as Secretary of Defense. He was also a fabled Iran hawk. But each of these men, particularly McMaster and Mattis who were in the two most important positions, were experienced, capable people. Mattis was an opponent of the Iran Deal but like most of the more sane opponents was also against withdrawing from it.

The picture today looks very different. John Bolton is the most notorious of war hawks. He’s the worst kind as he’s never had to deal with the consequences of protracted military action. He’s a caricature of a militarist. At the Defense Department you have an unconfirmed non-entity, basically an aerospace executive with no real experience for the job in Patrick Shanahan. The Chief of Staff (who carries an ‘acting’ label even though Chiefs of Staff don’t need confirmation) is a principled yes-man who advertises his policy of ‘letting Trump be Trump’. By comparison Secretary of State Pompeo stands at as comparatively experienced. But in fact he was one of the most jingoistic members of the House hothead caucus. The simple reality is that there is no one around the President with the experience, stature or brains to provide any restraint on the most impulsive or cockamamie actions.

This is, lest there’s any question, not to romanticize the original Trump foreign policy team. Far from it. But they did provide some restraint or – a problem in itself – simply chose to ignore him a lot of the time.

Here an analogy to the Russia probe is helpful. As we know, the best argument the White House has against an obstruction charge is that his staff frequently refused his demands or even more often simply ignored them. On the domestic and law enforcement side those folks are mostly gone too: McGahn, Sessions, Rosenstein, etc. They weren’t any great shakes. But they did repeatedly say no. They sometimes threatened to resign. There’s a similar changing of the guard there.

The point here is that there’s no one in the current national security team who we should have any confidence would stand up and apply some restraint if the administration were trying to gin up some phony casus belli for war with Iran – what I suspect is currently happening. There’s no one who would provide any brake on doing something tragically stupid or indulging the President’s desire to embark on a military adventure to boost his popularity for reelection.

It’s time to be very worried. And yes, it’s been time to be worried. But now it’s at a different level.
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Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:07 pm
by dislaxxic
That's right, Bolton couldn't get confirmed by a Republican Senate in the Shrub years for his cockamayme attitudes...

...but BOY is he one of the Best Pipple Don the Con could find for National Security Advisor.

Trumpist voters got snookered...

"Bolton is a caricature of a militarist and warmonger. He is sometimes classed with the so-called “neo-conservatives” who played the central role getting the country into the Iraq War. This isn’t really correct, either in classification or historical terms. For all their shortcomings many of the leading neoconservative policy hands and intellectuals were big on democracy promotion – often in foolish ways, usually only when it was convenient and mainly in Europe. But this is at least part of the worldview. (If you think I have a sympathetic or rosy-eyed view of these folks, I do not. Read this article from the eve of the Iraq War to get a sense of that.) Bolton doesn’t come from that worldview, as limited and as disastrous as it has proven. In really every context he is for hard US dominance, unilateralism and war as the preferred course of action. Again, he’s really the caricature of a militarist, the kind of one-dimensional, clownishly hawkish type who gets described in small circulation left-wing magazines but can’t possibly exist in real life, only he does exist and his name is John Bolton."

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Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 7:52 am
by seacoaster
Wasn't sure where this should go, so...here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... e09fe852a6

One of the least discussed but perhaps most consequential comments by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III during his appearance before reporters this week was his blunt counterintelligence assessment: “Russian intelligence officers, who are part of the Russian military, launched a concerted attack on our political system.”

Here’s why this judgment is so important: The U.S. military, backed by Mueller’s findings and those of the intelligence community, has responded by developing a tough new doctrine to counter cyberattacks by Russia and other rivals. The premise is that our adversaries are engaged in constant cyberassaults against us and that the United States should adopt a strategy of “persistent engagement.”

What this means, basically, is that the United States is now in a low-level state of cyberwar, constantly.

This military response to cyber­meddling is entirely independent of the usual headline-grabbing issues that surround Mueller’s report, or President Trump’s angry tweets about it, or whether the House of Representatives will launch an impeachment investigation into whether the president obstructed justice. Those political debates will continue, but meanwhile, the military is taking the offensive in dealing with the threat that surfaced so dramatically in the 2016 presidential election.

Driving this new strategy is U.S. Cyber Command, the nexus of the military’s efforts to combat and deter adversaries — from terrorist groups to Russia and China. It keeps a low profile, but it’s worth examining some of its basic policy statements to get a clearer picture of a conflict that most Americans don’t understand, even after more than two years of media fixation on issues surrounding Russian interference.

Cyber Command initially stated its new strategy in a 2018 directive that had the classically opaque title “Achieve and Maintain Cyberspace Superiority.” The central theme was that the military cyberwarriors would take the fight into enemy networks (and the gray zones in between): “We have learned we must stop attacks before they penetrate our cyber defenses or impair our military forces.”

Gen. Paul Nakasone, the head of Cyber Command, added more detail during an interview with Joint Force Quarterly earlier this year. He explained the challenge of “defending forward” in the new state of persistent engagement: “How do we warn, how do we influence our adversaries, how do we position ourselves in case we have to achieve outcomes in the future? Acting is the concept of operating outside our borders, being outside our networks, to ensure that we understand what our adversaries are doing.”

The new doctrine was debated at a May 10 Cyberspace Strategy Symposium convened by Cyber Command at the National Defense University in Washington. The ground rules of the debate prohibit quoting any of the speakers by name, but various experts discussed the rules of the new, ongoing war in cyberspace and whether this continuous, invisible struggle will produce stability and deterrence, or not.

A senior U.S. military officer told the group that cyberwar means deploying U.S. teams abroad, sharing tradecraft and helping allies build resilience. He described persistent engagement as watching and stalking: “Never let your adversary have a moment to hide, breathe, stop.” As with any military operation, the goal would be “imposing cost,” he said. “Adversaries, until checked, will keep advancing.”

These are big, untested ideas, and a much-needed public discussion is just beginning about how these norms of persistent conflict will work. Michael P. Fischerkeller and Richard J. Harknett argued April 15 on Lawfare that what has emerged in cyberspace isn’t deterrence but “agreed competition,” with “a tacit agreement among states that they will actively pursue national interests through cyber operations . . . while carefully avoiding the equivalence of armed attack.”

James N. Miller and Neal A. Pollard countered on Lawfare that deterrence might work in this new domain, as a kind of “adaptive learning.” They cited published reports that Cyber Command disrupted Russian cyberwarriors before the 2018 midterm elections. They concluded: Risks to the United States “appear to have been reduced, with no apparent blowback or other immediate downsides.”

The bottom line, Miller and Pollard argued, is that “effective signaling through military actions . . . should ultimately reduce the risk for dangerous escalation.”

It is nice to know someone is in a state of constant vigilance.

Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:36 pm
by youthathletics
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:48 pm
jhu72 wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:40 pm No thread seems to fit this topic, so I put it here.

Navy Seal goes on trial for being an apparent nut case.
I read that earlier. Sick individual.
BREAKING: Jury Finds Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher Not Guilty of War Crimes

Re: The Politics of National Security

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:19 pm
by jhu72
They found him guilty of posing for a photo with a dead ISIS soldier. :lol: :lol: :lol: