kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:37 pm
So let me ask it differently- You really don't think that the democrat party was courting them at all this year?
Courting Antifa? F no. You understand that their numbers are in the hundreds, right?
No. What I think is that FoxNation fell all over themselves to convince Americans who don't live anywhere near Seattle and Portland that both cities had burnt to the ground, and that there were millions in Antifa.
The people in both cities were laughing at the ridiculous hyperbole. My social media feed was filled with bar owners and distillery owners mocking the over the top coverage that was clearly an attempt to scare suburban and rural America.
That said? These same owners can't stand Antifa and their violence and bullsh*t.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:37 pm
So let me ask it differently- You really don't think that the democrat party was courting them at all this year?
Courting Antifa? F no. You understand that their numbers are in the hundreds, right?
No. What I think is that FoxNation fell all over themselves to convince Americans who don't live anywhere near Seattle and Portland that both cities had burnt to the ground, and that there were millions in Antifa.
The people in both cities were laughing at the ridiculous hyperbole. My social media feed was filled with bar owners and distillery owners mocking the over the top coverage that was clearly an attempt to scare suburban and rural America.
That said? These same owners can't stand Antifa and their violence and bullsh*t.
Oh Pu'leeze. You took us down a rabbit hole again. The issue was the sympathizer elected leaders in this area, 'tolerating' their behavior....as if they were giving antifa a crying room to express themselves.
And kram using the term courting, I suppose he is referring to the elected officials, again, "allowing" their behavior to perpetuate in the name of not interrupting BLM. They could not seem to separate the two.
We all agree ANTIFA needs to be shot, full stop.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:35 pm
Others are given slaps on the wrist and released due to fearful liberal mayors who believe by appeasing the anarchists, they will stop.
Do you have any evidence of this? Of someone who has committed a violent crime, and the DA has them dead to rights-----yet Mayors are stepping in and letting them go, without prosecuting them?
"Portland protests shift focus to mayor amid rising tensions"
"Wheeler, who is also police commissioner, has come under fire for his failure to bring the violence in Oregon's largest city under control and for heading up a police force that has used tear gas multiple times against demonstrators."
"Portland mayor spars with US on deputized police officers"
"PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The top U.S. prosecutor in Oregon on Wednesday rejected a request from Portland’s mayor to end the federal deputation of dozens of police officers as part of the response to ongoing protests, saying it was the only way to end “lawlessness.”
In a joint statement, U.S. Attorney for Oregon Billy J. Williams and Russ Berger, the U.S. Marshal in the state, swatted down Mayor Ted Wheeler’s request and called him out for a “lack of leadership” that they said has allowed acts of violence to overshadow more than four months of nearly nightly protests since the death of George Floyd."
"Portland protests: Mayor demands federal officers leave city"
"Speaking to CNN on Sunday, Mayor Wheeler said there were "dozens if not hundreds of federal troops" in the city, adding: "Their presence here is actually leading to more violence and more vandalism."
"They're not wanted here. We haven't asked them here. In fact, we want them to leave," he said.
"Hundreds of Portland protesters will see their criminal cases dropped as DA announces plan to ‘recognize the right to speak'"
"Of those cases, about 140 have been for felony crimes, including assault, arson, riot and theft. Of the felonies, prosecutors are pursuing charges in about 45 of the cases, with the rest either dropped or under review as prosecutors seek more information from police, said Nathan Vasquez, a senior deputy district attorney."
"Who’s behind the Portland protest bail fund that’s raised more than $500,000?"
"An online fundraiser to cover bail and other legal expenses for demonstrators arrested in Portland during protests against the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis has raised over $500,000 as of Wednesday.
The fundraiser was organized by the Portland General Defense Committee, a 103-year-old group started to defend workers facing legal attacks for their political beliefs by providing legal aid, according to its website. Today, the organization has broadened its focus to community organizing and direct action."
Do I really need to start on DeBlasio?
I will admit, I see Wheeler is changing his tactics and plans to crack down. We'll see. Obviously, his threats to get tougher this year with Antifa anarchists/looters didn't deter last night's rioting. Hopefully, they get things under control...Portland is a beautiful city.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:37 pm
So let me ask it differently- You really don't think that the democrat party was courting them at all this year?
Courting Antifa? F no. You understand that their numbers are in the hundreds, right?
No. What I think is that FoxNation fell all over themselves to convince Americans who don't live anywhere near Seattle and Portland that both cities had burnt to the ground, and that there were millions in Antifa.
The people in both cities were laughing at the ridiculous hyperbole. My social media feed was filled with bar owners and distillery owners mocking the over the top coverage that was clearly an attempt to scare suburban and rural America.
That said? These same owners can't stand Antifa and their violence and bullsh*t.
Oh Pu'leeze. You took us down a rabbit hole again. The issue was the sympathizer elected leaders in this area, 'tolerating' their behavior....as if they were giving antifa a crying room to express themselves.
And kram using the term courting, I suppose he is referring to the elected officials, again, "allowing" their behavior to perpetuate in the name of not interrupting BLM. They could not seem to separate the two.
We all agree ANTIFA needs to be shot, full stop.
nope, we don't all agree with that.
We do agree that violence should be prosecuted.
But you may also be confusing the anarchists with Antifa, just as some confuse either with BLM.
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:35 pm
Others are given slaps on the wrist and released due to fearful liberal mayors who believe by appeasing the anarchists, they will stop.
Do you have any evidence of this? Of someone who has committed a violent crime, and the DA has them dead to rights-----yet Mayors are stepping in and letting them go, without prosecuting them?
"Portland protests shift focus to mayor amid rising tensions"
"Wheeler, who is also police commissioner, has come under fire for his failure to bring the violence in Oregon's largest city under control and for heading up a police force that has used tear gas multiple times against demonstrators."
"Portland mayor spars with US on deputized police officers"
"PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The top U.S. prosecutor in Oregon on Wednesday rejected a request from Portland’s mayor to end the federal deputation of dozens of police officers as part of the response to ongoing protests, saying it was the only way to end “lawlessness.”
In a joint statement, U.S. Attorney for Oregon Billy J. Williams and Russ Berger, the U.S. Marshal in the state, swatted down Mayor Ted Wheeler’s request and called him out for a “lack of leadership” that they said has allowed acts of violence to overshadow more than four months of nearly nightly protests since the death of George Floyd."
"Portland protests: Mayor demands federal officers leave city"
"Speaking to CNN on Sunday, Mayor Wheeler said there were "dozens if not hundreds of federal troops" in the city, adding: "Their presence here is actually leading to more violence and more vandalism."
"They're not wanted here. We haven't asked them here. In fact, we want them to leave," he said.
"Hundreds of Portland protesters will see their criminal cases dropped as DA announces plan to ‘recognize the right to speak'"
"Of those cases, about 140 have been for felony crimes, including assault, arson, riot and theft. Of the felonies, prosecutors are pursuing charges in about 45 of the cases, with the rest either dropped or under review as prosecutors seek more information from police, said Nathan Vasquez, a senior deputy district attorney."
"Who’s behind the Portland protest bail fund that’s raised more than $500,000?"
"An online fundraiser to cover bail and other legal expenses for demonstrators arrested in Portland during protests against the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis has raised over $500,000 as of Wednesday.
The fundraiser was organized by the Portland General Defense Committee, a 103-year-old group started to defend workers facing legal attacks for their political beliefs by providing legal aid, according to its website. Today, the organization has broadened its focus to community organizing and direct action."
Do I really need to start on DeBlasio?
I will admit, I see Wheeler is changing his tactics and plans to crack down. We'll see. Obviously, his threats to get tougher this year with Antifa anarchists/looters didn't deter last night's rioting. Hopefully, they get things under control...Portland is a beautiful city.
tech, based on that podcast you linked, you actually should know better than to conflate these groups as if all protestors are any of the following: Antifa, anarchists, and looters, each of which are largely distinct.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:56 pm
The issue was the sympathizer elected leaders in this area, 'tolerating' their behavior
No it wasn't. If it was only about the Portland local government? What the F would you care about Portland? You don't live there, right? So what do you care what they do?
Exactly.
The issue----to correct your memory------was that FoxNation was claiming that the National Dems were condoning the violence. And how many times now have posters here given you direct quotes from people like Kamala Harris refuting that, frankly, stupid and childish game?
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:24 am
So...apparently the Army lied when they said that Mike Flynn's brother, Charles Flynn, was not involved with the call with the Capitol Police and DC Mayor with the Cap police begging for the National Guard to be sent...
"The Army" did not lie. WP ran with unnamed sources & tried to pass it off as an official reply by "The Army"
According to the WP's own reporting, Gen Flynn was in the room when the call came in, heard the situation, exited while the call was still in progress & began making preps to activate & deploy the NG, which was the decision he expected to be immediately forthcoming from the Sec Def, ...& it was.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:25 pm
What political party do you surmise they are sympathetic to?
None of them. Do you not remember these kids in your college days? Did you not know any ridiculously unreasonable lefties?
Biden is center right. In what world would a lefty like Biden and Pelosi? Neither of them are working on lefty policies.
Watch what Biden does overseas. He's going to operate to the right of Trump. And as I've been saying---the libs are going to call him out for this.
The protesters in Portland are the left-est of the left. Essentially, that means that they are right wingers.....ridiculous fascists who cannot be reasoned with.
So let me ask it differently- You really don't think that the democrat party was courting them at all this year?
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:37 pm
So let me ask it differently- You really don't think that the democrat party was courting them at all this year?
Courting Antifa? F no. You understand that their numbers are in the hundreds, right?
No. What I think is that FoxNation fell all over themselves to convince Americans who don't live anywhere near Seattle and Portland that both cities had burnt to the ground, and that there were millions in Antifa.
The people in both cities were laughing at the ridiculous hyperbole. My social media feed was filled with bar owners and distillery owners mocking the over the top coverage that was clearly an attempt to scare suburban and rural America.
That said? These same owners can't stand Antifa and their violence and bullsh*t.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:37 pm
So let me ask it differently- You really don't think that the democrat party was courting them at all this year?
Courting Antifa? F no. You understand that their numbers are in the hundreds, right?
No. What I think is that FoxNation fell all over themselves to convince Americans who don't live anywhere near Seattle and Portland that both cities had burnt to the ground, and that there were millions in Antifa.
The people in both cities were laughing at the ridiculous hyperbole. My social media feed was filled with bar owners and distillery owners mocking the over the top coverage that was clearly an attempt to scare suburban and rural America.
That said? These same owners can't stand Antifa and their violence and bullsh*t.
Oh Pu'leeze. You took us down a rabbit hole again. The issue was the sympathizer elected leaders in this area, 'tolerating' their behavior....as if they were giving antifa a crying room to express themselves.
And kram using the term courting, I suppose he is referring to the elected officials, again, "allowing" their behavior to perpetuate in the name of not interrupting BLM. They could not seem to separate the two.
We all agree ANTIFA needs to be shot, full stop.
nope, we don't all agree with that.
We do agree that violence should be prosecuted.
But you may also be confusing the anarchists with Antifa, just as some confuse either with BLM.
Okay not shot, that was aggressive....locked up?
Do you agree now?
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:00 pm"Of those cases, about 140 have been for felony crimes, including assault, arson, riot and theft. Of the felonies, prosecutors are pursuing charges in about 45 of the cases, with the rest either dropped or under review as prosecutors seek more information from police, said Nathan Vasquez, a senior deputy district attorney."
Respectfully, that doesn't help. You can't tell why the charges were dropped---and it's clear that the DA is indeed prosecuting 45 felonies. So that doesn't exactly say what you're claiming----that they are just letting felonies happen, even when they have evidence needed to go to trial-- does it?
And in your citations for bail? There's nothing--nothing---wrong with posting bail. Posting bail isn't the same thing as dropping a prosecution
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:00 pm
I will admit, I see Wheeler is changing his tactics and plans to crack down. We'll see. Obviously, his threats to get tougher this year with Antifa anarchists/looters didn't deter last night's rioting. Hopefully, they get things under control...Portland is a beautiful city.
Ok, but what would that look like? You just gave me a citation that shows that yes, they are already prosecuting felonies when they have the needed evidence to do so.
And in case you missed some of the postings over the summer? There isn't a poster here who believes that violence shouldn't be prosecuted. And we also all believe that Federal property (the courthouse) should be defended, and is off-limits for protesters.
To the point: I can't stand Antifa. Selfish, idiotic, violent wankers who don't actually want to solve problems. They're no better than the alt-right.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:24 am
So...apparently the Army lied when they said that Mike Flynn's brother, Charles Flynn, was not involved with the call with the Capitol Police and DC Mayor with the Cap police begging for the National Guard to be sent...
"The Army" did not lie. WP ran with unnamed sources & tried to pass it off as an official reply by "The Army"
According to the WP's own reporting, Gen Flynn was in the room when the call came in, heard the situation, exited while the call was still in progress & began making preps to activate & deploy the NG, which was the decision he expected to be immediately forthcoming from the Sec Def, ...& it was.
Read the WP report posted up the page.
"falsely denied" sure sounds like 'lied' to me.
All they needed to have said was, yes, Gen. Charles Flynn wasn't there at the start and left before the end, but yes, he was there.
Note, these guys dragged their feet 'didn't like the optics' despite the calls for support. Other forces got there way faster, they took way too long...for 'optics'...
And they also DENIED that they had said what both the Cap police and Mayor reported was how the conversation went down...
So, the legit follow up was Who exactly was present during the call, who was in the room? And they falsely denied that Flynn was there at all...now corrected...
just stinks...and if you don't see that it stinks...
I'd MUCH rather learn that these guys flubbed the swiftness of the response because of some sort of bureaucratic incompetence than they did so out of a bias...
Army falsely denied Flynn’s brother was involved in key part of military response to Capitol riot
Lt. Gen. Charles A. Flynn is the Army’s deputy chief of staff for operations, plans and training.
Lt. Gen. Charles A. Flynn is the Army’s deputy chief of staff for operations, plans and training. (Lisa Ferdinando/DOD)
By
Dan Lamothe,
Paul Sonne,
Carol D. Leonnig and
Aaron C. Davis
Jan. 20, 2021 at 10:42 p.m. EST
The Army falsely denied for days that Lt. Gen. Charles A. Flynn, the brother of disgraced former national security adviser Michael Flynn, was involved in a key meeting during its heavily scrutinized response to the deadly assault on the U.S. Capitol.
Charles Flynn confirmed in a statement issued to The Washington Post on Wednesday that he was in the room for a tense Jan. 6 phone call during which the Capitol Police and D.C. officials pleaded with the Pentagon to dispatch the National Guard urgently, but top Army officials expressed concern about having the Guard at the Capitol.
Flynn left the room before the meeting was over, anticipating that then-Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy, who was in another meeting, would soon take action to deploy more guard members, he said.
“I entered the room after the call began and departed prior to the call ending as I believed a decision was imminent from the Secretary and I needed to be in my office to assist in executing the decision,” Flynn said.
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The general’s presence during the call — which has not previously been reported — came weeks after his brother publicly suggested that President Donald Trump declare martial law and have the U.S. military oversee a redo of the election. There is no indication that Charles Flynn shares his brother’s extreme views or discharged his duties at the Pentagon on Jan. 6 in any manner that was influenced by his brother.
It makes sense that Flynn, as the Army’s deputy chief of staff for operations, plans and training, would have been involved in the Pentagon response. The D.C. Guard answers to the president, but the president delegates control over the force to the defense secretary and the Army secretary, essentially leaving it to top Army officials to make critical decisions regarding the District’s military force. Flynn, however, is not in the chain of command.
The Army’s initial denial of Flynn’s participation in the critical Jan. 6 meeting, despite multiple inquiries on the matter, comes as lawmakers demand transparency from the Defense Department in the aftermath of one of Washington’s gravest national security failures, which left one police officer and four rioters dead, the Capitol desecrated and the lives of Vice President Mike Pence and members of Congress endangered.
Capitol building breached by pro-Trump mob
Supporters of President Trump crossed barricades and began marching toward the back of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. (The Washington Post)
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The episode highlights the challenge for the Army in having an influential senior officer whose brother has become a central figure in QAnon, the extreme ideology that alleges Trump was waging a battle with Satan-worshiping Democrats who traffic children. Michael Flynn, who previously ran the Defense Intelligence Agency and left the Army as a three-star general, has espoused QAnon messages, and QAnon adherents are among those who have been charged in connection with the attempted insurrection. In November, Trump announced he had pardoned Flynn, who had pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.
The night before the Capitol siege, Michael Flynn addressed a crowd of Trump supporters at Freedom Plaza near the White House, saying: “This country is awake tomorrow. . . . The members, the members of Congress, the members of the House of Representatives, the members of the United States Senate, those of you who are feeling weak tonight . . . we the people are going to be here, and we want you to know that we will not stand for a lie.”
McCarthy, who left office as the Trump administration concluded Wednesday, said in a Jan. 12 interview with The Post that he was not on the call, implying he could not address whether Flynn was. But he defended Flynn’s character, saying he has known him for years.
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“Charlie Flynn is an officer of an incredibly high integrity,” McCarthy said. “Multiple combat tours. He has buried a lot of people. This guy has given a lot to this country. It is incredibly awkward for this officer every day for what is going on with him and his brother, but he puts his head down in, and he is locked in to serve the Constitution.”
Army officials, before and after that interview, denied that Flynn appeared during the call.
“HE WAS NOT IN ANY OF THE MEETINGS!” one Army official said on Jan. 12 in an email to The Post.
Like several others interviewed, the official spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
After being approached with the accounts of multiple officials on the call, the Army sent a statement confirming Flynn participated.
The teleconference, organized by D.C. officials after authorities already had declared a riot at the Capitol, focused on what actions the military could take in response to the violence, with the Capitol Police chief pleading for help and the acting D.C. police chief growing incredulous at the Army’s reluctance to engage. The call included senior Army officials at the urging of Maj. Gen. William J. Walker, the commanding general of the D.C. National Guard, according to one person with direct knowledge of the situation.
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Five officials who were on the call shared similar stories in which Army officials on the line said they were concerned about the visuals of sending National Guard members to the Capitol.
Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund, who has since resigned in the wake of the security failure, and acting D.C. police chief Robert J. Contee III were flabbergasted by the Army’s reaction, according to four people on the call. Sund had stressed that the Capitol had been breached by protesters and told those on the call that he had reports of shots being fired on the scene.
Sund, in an interview with The Post, previously said that another general on the call — Lt. Gen. Walter E. Piatt, the director of the Army Staff — raised concerns about guard members appearing at the Capitol.
“I don’t like the visual of the National Guard standing a police line with the Capitol in the background,” Piatt said, according to Sund and others on the call.
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Piatt denied those remarks in a statement last week.
“I did not make the statement or any comments similar to what was attributed to me by Chief Sund in The Washington Post article — but would note that even in his telling he makes it clear that neither I, nor anyone else from [the Department of Defense], denied the deployment of requested personnel,” Piatt said.
It was at times difficult for the participants of the call to discern which top Army official was speaking. Officials on the call recalled hearing two Army leaders discussing the “optics” and “visual” of having National Guard members respond at the Capitol. One of the Army leaders described the protesters as “peaceful,” and Contee responded that “they’re not peaceful anymore,” two of the officials said.
U.S. defense officials have emphasized that federal law enforcement was better placed to clear the Capitol of rioters than members of the D.C. Guard, the entirety of which was ultimately activated by the Pentagon. Guard members arrived within hours of the call to help establish a perimeter around the Capitol grounds.
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“If you ever cleared buildings with people that don’t do it for a living, you could have some very challenging types of things happen,” a senior U.S. defense official said in an interview.
Army officials declined to answer several questions about Flynn’s statement, including how long he was in the room during the call, whether he said anything, and if he was the one who described the crowd at the Capitol as mostly peaceful.
The Army also declined to answer why it falsely said for days that Flynn, who already has been confirmed by the Senate for a promotion to four-star general, was not involved.
“Thank you for the opportunity to comment, however we have nothing further to add,” the Army said in response to questions posed by The Post through email.
One official directly familiar with the situation said there was concern in both the Army and National Guard about possible political fallout if it was discovered that Flynn was involved in the Army’s deliberations. That is despite it being commonplace that the person in Flynn’s role would have been involved.
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Defense officials have repeatedly defended their response to the assault on the Capitol, noting that D.C. officials sought a limited mission for the National Guard that day after thousands of guard members were deployed in the District in June during protests for racial justice. The D.C. National Guard activated 340 guard members in consultation with D.C. officials, with a limited, unarmed mission to staff traffic barriers and Metro stations so additional police officers would be available to deal with crowds.
Sund also did not seek National Guard assistance ahead of time — a reflection, he later said, of senior House and Senate security officials turning down his request to do so.
McCarthy said in his interview with The Post that without a plan to assist Capitol Police, it was “very challenging to understand” what was happening at the Capitol. Military officials said they didn’t want to send the Guard into a combustible situation without any planning that could have made matters worse.
“We were trying to get a handle on this,” McCarthy said. “And when we got moving, we moved as fast as we could from a cold start, not configured to take a reaction.”
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:35 pm
Others are given slaps on the wrist and released due to fearful liberal mayors who believe by appeasing the anarchists, they will stop.
Do you have any evidence of this? Of someone who has committed a violent crime, and the DA has them dead to rights-----yet Mayors are stepping in and letting them go, without prosecuting them?
"Portland protests shift focus to mayor amid rising tensions"
"Wheeler, who is also police commissioner, has come under fire for his failure to bring the violence in Oregon's largest city under control and for heading up a police force that has used tear gas multiple times against demonstrators."
"Portland mayor spars with US on deputized police officers"
"PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The top U.S. prosecutor in Oregon on Wednesday rejected a request from Portland’s mayor to end the federal deputation of dozens of police officers as part of the response to ongoing protests, saying it was the only way to end “lawlessness.”
In a joint statement, U.S. Attorney for Oregon Billy J. Williams and Russ Berger, the U.S. Marshal in the state, swatted down Mayor Ted Wheeler’s request and called him out for a “lack of leadership” that they said has allowed acts of violence to overshadow more than four months of nearly nightly protests since the death of George Floyd."
"Portland protests: Mayor demands federal officers leave city"
"Speaking to CNN on Sunday, Mayor Wheeler said there were "dozens if not hundreds of federal troops" in the city, adding: "Their presence here is actually leading to more violence and more vandalism."
"They're not wanted here. We haven't asked them here. In fact, we want them to leave," he said.
"Hundreds of Portland protesters will see their criminal cases dropped as DA announces plan to ‘recognize the right to speak'"
"Of those cases, about 140 have been for felony crimes, including assault, arson, riot and theft. Of the felonies, prosecutors are pursuing charges in about 45 of the cases, with the rest either dropped or under review as prosecutors seek more information from police, said Nathan Vasquez, a senior deputy district attorney."
"Who’s behind the Portland protest bail fund that’s raised more than $500,000?"
"An online fundraiser to cover bail and other legal expenses for demonstrators arrested in Portland during protests against the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis has raised over $500,000 as of Wednesday.
The fundraiser was organized by the Portland General Defense Committee, a 103-year-old group started to defend workers facing legal attacks for their political beliefs by providing legal aid, according to its website. Today, the organization has broadened its focus to community organizing and direct action."
Do I really need to start on DeBlasio?
I will admit, I see Wheeler is changing his tactics and plans to crack down. We'll see. Obviously, his threats to get tougher this year with Antifa anarchists/looters didn't deter last night's rioting. Hopefully, they get things under control...Portland is a beautiful city.
Those 91% were peaceful resistors. They broke the law and then surrendered, immediately to the law, when the law demanded. This is the nature of left wing peaceful protest. Only right wing bozos don't understand the protocol. That's why right wing clowns are constantly quoting huge numbers of arrests at left wing protests, the protestors go peacefully, are charged (or not), the charge's are dismissed and the protestors released.
Nothing new here. Been going on since the early 70s, late 60s. In the finest tradition of Mahatma Gandhi.
Get your head out of the right wing press -- it is not healthy for you.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:24 am
So...apparently the Army lied when they said that Mike Flynn's brother, Charles Flynn, was not involved with the call with the Capitol Police and DC Mayor with the Cap police begging for the National Guard to be sent...
"The Army" did not lie. WP ran with unnamed sources & tried to pass it off as an official reply by "The Army"
According to the WP's own reporting, Gen Flynn was in the room when the call came in, heard the situation, exited while the call was still in progress & began making preps to activate & deploy the NG, which was the decision he expected to be immediately forthcoming from the Sec Def, ...& it was.
Read the WP report posted up the page.
"falsely denied" sure sounds like 'lied' to me.
All they needed to have said was, yes, Gen. Charles Flynn wasn't there at the start and left before the end, but yes, he was there.
Note, these guys dragged their feet 'didn't like the optics' despite the calls for support. Other forces got there way faster, they took way too long...for 'optics'...
And they also DENIED that they had said what both the Cap police and Mayor reported was how the conversation went down...
So, the legit follow up was Who exactly was present during the call, who was in the room? And they falsely denied that Flynn was there at all...now corrected...
just stinks...and if you don't see that it stinks...
I'd MUCH rather learn that these guys flubbed the swiftness of the response because of some sort of bureaucratic incompetence than they did so out of a bias...
No. " They Army" did not need to say anything on the record about what went on inside a working meeting or who participated before Sec Def made the decision to deploy the NG.
Re foot dragging, as soon as they heard the call, Gen Flynn began making preps & the Sec Army ran down the hall to get Sec Def's approval.
Without advance coordination, it could not have happened any faster.
The decision to deploy NG troops on the streets of our capital is not a ready-fire-aim process.
The NG are not first responders. They are not trained or equipped to clear buildings.
This is scapegoating, blame shifting & using Gen C Flynn's presence to promote a conspiracy theory.
baloney...they argued about the optics, kept saying they didn't agree.
So, let's hear Charlie Flynn under oath, let's hear the rest of the participants under oath before we're 100% sure this was clean as a whistle and just a matter of bureaucratic fumbling.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:50 pm
baloney...they argued about the optics, kept saying they didn't agree.
So, let's hear Charlie Flynn under oath, let's hear the rest of the participants under oath before we're 100% sure this was clean as a whistle and just a matter of bureaucratic fumbling.
sheesh...Benghazi...
The only thing fumbled was the advance planning by DC & Congress. DoD offered more NG in advance. The urgent deployment came as fast as could be expected. This is blame shifting by DC govt & Congress. The optics argument was made by DC & Congress during the advance planning.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:50 pm
baloney...they argued about the optics, kept saying they didn't agree.
So, let's hear Charlie Flynn under oath, let's hear the rest of the participants under oath before we're 100% sure this was clean as a whistle and just a matter of bureaucratic fumbling.
sheesh...Benghazi...
Given the lack of clarity that is certainly a responsible position, congressional inquiry that gets everyone on the record. I have no reason to believe Charlie is his brother. The military's seeming hiding the fact that Charlie was in the room is understandable, but a bad decision that will come back to bite them in the ass.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:50 pm
baloney...they argued about the optics, kept saying they didn't agree.
So, let's hear Charlie Flynn under oath, let's hear the rest of the participants under oath before we're 100% sure this was clean as a whistle and just a matter of bureaucratic fumbling.
sheesh...Benghazi...
Given the lack of clarity that is certainly a responsible position, congressional inquiry that gets everyone on the record.
...yeah, let's drag Mike Flynn's brother before Congress & make him deny absurd conspiracy theories, ...KFC snacks provided.
