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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:38 pm
by CU77
I completely agree that our medical infrastructure is poor. And the emergency prep for a pandemic (and entirely predictable, and predicted, problem) is ridiculously bad. And that this goes back through every POTUS. It's not Trump's fault that there is no national stockpile of personal protective equipment for health-care workers. That such a thing (which would cost some tiny amount of money on the scale of federal budget) does not exist is a scandal shared by all.
Trump's effect on all this may be small in the final analysis, but it is definitely negative. The weeks of the "the danger of this is a democrat/media hoax" were lost and can never be recovered. The fubar testing situation may have happened with a more aware POTUS, but a more aware POTUS may have been able to more quickly apply Alexander's sword to the red tape.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:39 pm
by Trinity
How is Burr different than the Chinese who hid this to preserve capital? Don’t tell me Burr ain’t core gop. He’s a swinging Richard in the Senate.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:40 pm
by old salt
On Feb 17 (10 days before Burr's luncheon warning), as I drove my wife to BWI for a flight to FL for a 1 month snowbird getaway, I told her I was glad we had a car staged down there, because she'd probably end up driving home. She gave me a hrmph in reply. We agreed that we were happy she didn't have any cruises scheduled, as in past years.
I'm not even on the Intel Comm, ...& I doubled down on Boeing (ouch).
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:43 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:29 pm
Does that mean you no longer hold Bush responsible for 911, since he listened to his intel about WMD's?
You certainly love driving in the backseat.
I just linked what was reported. Draw your own conclusion. Point to where I “blamed” GWB. My position well before the war was that Hussein has no WMDs because if he did, he could have handed over 20% and kept the game going until a change in administration. Just seemed like common sense to me. I wondered if “we” knew he didn’t have any and called him on his bluff. I wasn’t following it that closely, BTW.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:46 pm
by Trinity
Burr voted against witnesses and documents too. Because he knows what’s in there. Do you have anyone besides Mitt that I would let walk a dog?
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:54 pm
by old salt
Trinity wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:46 pm
Burr voted against witnesses and documents too. Because he knows what’s in there. Do you have anyone besides Mitt that I would let walk a dog?
Jeb or Little Marco. I'm pretty happy with my Governor.
I like Cotton & that Hawley kid from back home in MO. Sent that old battle ax packing.
Think of the fun if Ratliffe & Jordan were back in the majority. He'll make a great DNI.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:58 pm
by Peter Brown
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:26 pm
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:14 pm
CU77 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:04 pm
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:58 pm
I'd be curious who here praises Trump's character or even his response to COVID-19.
Could you point that out to me? Presumably you have some facts to back that up.
One example: a couple days ago, old salt claimed that Trump's Europe travel ban was a model for European leaders. (Not sure which thread that was in, and I'm not going to search it out for you.)
Mostly, it's people like you saying that that any criticism of the Dear Leader is totally out of bounds, that the whole crisis is the fault of democrats for wasting time on impeachment, etc etc etc.
There's tons of such posts here. Read them.
"tons"
You claim one mild applause line a couple days ago by Old Salt about one decision by Trump (which seems, frankly, logical) and that somehow translates into Republican lemmings who worship Trump. Do I have that correct?
What I read today here at Fanlax, not simply a couple of days ago, are libs who seemingly can't draw one breath without slaying Trump's decisions, regardless the issue, regardless the decision. I'm no Trumper, and I see a ton in him I truly dislike, but I also think the guy is capable every so often of a decent decision. I'd grant you one thing: this virus issue is an issue he is wholly uncomfortable leading the charge on. This time requires genuine empathy, surrounding oneself with the best and brightest, communicating the issues directly but not hysterically to the American people, not just R's or D's. This crisis is not his strong suit by a mile.
Just being real here, I think you guys have gone nuts in your hatred of the guy.
Just in case you missed the clown show:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... als-2020-3
No one is missing this (what is in the BI article). I wrote previously today that I think Trump is way out of his element dealing with a crisis.
The point of our posts above was, who here applauds Trump as some of the libs here purport the resident Republicans of doing? I don't see any.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:00 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:58 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:26 pm
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:14 pm
CU77 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:04 pm
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:58 pm
I'd be curious who here praises Trump's character or even his response to COVID-19.
Could you point that out to me? Presumably you have some facts to back that up.
One example: a couple days ago, old salt claimed that Trump's Europe travel ban was a model for European leaders. (Not sure which thread that was in, and I'm not going to search it out for you.)
Mostly, it's people like you saying that that any criticism of the Dear Leader is totally out of bounds, that the whole crisis is the fault of democrats for wasting time on impeachment, etc etc etc.
There's tons of such posts here. Read them.
"tons"
You claim one mild applause line a couple days ago by Old Salt about one decision by Trump (which seems, frankly, logical) and that somehow translates into Republican lemmings who worship Trump. Do I have that correct?
What I read today here at Fanlax, not simply a couple of days ago, are libs who seemingly can't draw one breath without slaying Trump's decisions, regardless the issue, regardless the decision. I'm no Trumper, and I see a ton in him I truly dislike, but I also think the guy is capable every so often of a decent decision. I'd grant you one thing: this virus issue is an issue he is wholly uncomfortable leading the charge on. This time requires genuine empathy, surrounding oneself with the best and brightest, communicating the issues directly but not hysterically to the American people, not just R's or D's. This crisis is not his strong suit by a mile.
Just being real here, I think you guys have gone nuts in your hatred of the guy.
Just in case you missed the clown show:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... als-2020-3
No one is missing this (what is in the BI article). I wrote previously today that I think Trump is way out of his element dealing with a crisis.
The point of our posts above was, who here applauds Trump as some of the libs here purport the resident Republicans of doing? I don't see any.
“Just in case....”. Sorry the hounds season ended early. Old college buddy’s kid had a good career. I remember counseling him on his decision. He did what I told him he could do.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:01 pm
by Peter Brown
Here is an example where I think it's outrageous that Congressmen and frankly anyone who works for a Congressmen can not be prosecuted for insider trading. Burr's actions on the surface look rotten to the core.
And yet, democrats will argue inevitably to make DC even more powerful. I just do not get that. You see the corruption, it is endemic to the role. Why enlarge that?
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:03 pm
by youthathletics
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:36 pm
"It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle. It will disappear" <<-- a fitting epitaph for a certain Orange Clown
But he is right...he just didn't say when.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:04 pm
by a fan
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:01 pm
And yet, democrats will argue inevitably to make DC even more powerful. I just do not get that. You see the corruption, it is endemic to the role. Why enlarge that?
Is DC more powerful, or less powerful after Trump?
Is the Federal government larger, or smaller under Trump?
You know the answer. Stop blaming the Dems only.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:06 pm
by Trinity
Jeb. Magalito Rubio is a pampered child. He sends me Bible phrases when the going gets tough.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:09 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:06 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:00 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:09 pm
CU77 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:04 pm
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:58 pm
I'd be curious who here praises Trump's character or even his response to COVID-19.
Could you point that out to me? Presumably you have some facts to back that up.
One example: a couple days ago, old salt claimed that Trump's Europe travel ban was a model for European leaders. (Not sure which thread that was in, and I'm not going to search it out for you.)
Mostly, it's people like you saying that that any criticism of the Dear Leader is totally out of bounds, that the whole crisis is the fault of democrats for wasting time on impeachment, etc etc etc.
There's tons of such posts here. Read them.
Not just the travel ban. The implication was the clamp down on freedom of movement gave EU leaders cover to do the same.
There's been all sorts of apologia.
That's just one example from one poster.
One of the more rational, if predictable.
PB, we know you were staying away during lax, but there's an awful lot of posts for you to read through if you're seriously interested in where this discussion has been over the last 6 weeks or so. Probably best to get that perspective before immediately assuming you know what the discussion has been.
Of course, if you think that it's ridiculous that anyone might have been praising Trump's performance in this mess, many of us would quite agree.
Even so, it's good to see at least
some directional change.
Even those who detest him (a I certainly do) have managed to say so.
Pointing out facts is not apologia or praise. It's calling BS on negative, partisan disinformation.
Just look at the sequence of when things happened.
Things got worse in the EU sooner, but (with the exception of Italy) the US imposed restrictions sooner.
You think it doesn't make it easier for EU leaders to impose politically difficult restrictions if the US has done it too ?
Before the EU closed it's borders, who besides Italy took actions as soon or as restrictive as the US did ?
You want apologia -- all we heard then was that such US restrictions were not necessary or counterproductive.
DW was making a big deal about Merkel addressing the German people. The first time she's made such a speech in 15 yrs in office, except for her annual New Years Day speech.
The EUros don't have Trump to blame for this. What's their excuse ? Who's their scapegoat ?
Which school district was Trump responsible for shutting down? Which colleges did he shut down? Did he give Ty the exclusive interview when he cancelled lacrosse season? When did Trump make the call on the NBA?
Salty,
I thought we'd been through the timelines...the EU countries by and large moved sooner than we did, not just in shut down, but way sooner on testing enabling more targeted quarantining. Italy, tragically, was following our lead in thinking just closing borders to travelers from China would work...slow out of the gate too.
Not sure why you'd keep saying otherwise. Trump didn't do a darn thing until after states began taking their own actions and calling very publicly for the federal government to step up...Trump's been behind at every step of the way...after investing so much political capital in denying that the virus was a serious threat at all...
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:11 pm
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:03 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:36 pm
"It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle. It will disappear" <<-- a fitting epitaph for a certain Orange Clown
But he is right...he just didn't say when.
"soon, very soon"..."it's 15 cases and it's going to zero any day now"
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:17 pm
by jhu72
Trinity wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:06 pm
Jeb. Magalito Rubio is a pampered child. He sends me Bible phrases when the going gets tough.
… on one of those cool post cards with the baby Jesus, Santa Claus, Robert E. Lee, and the Murican Flag??
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:36 pm
by DocBarrister
Currently 13,159 confirmed cases in the U.S. We will soon rocket past Spain and Germany.
Trump’s America is stalking Italy in the coronavirus pandemic like Harvey Weinstein stalking an aspiring actress. (Ok ... horrible simile, but this is a bad situation that will go way beyond horrible.)
DocBarrister
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:44 pm
by youthathletics
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:51 pm
by Trinity
Burr was selling his stock on information Trump was classifying. No bottom.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:54 pm
by Peter Brown
a fan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:04 pm
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:01 pm
And yet, democrats will argue inevitably to make DC even more powerful. I just do not get that. You see the corruption, it is endemic to the role. Why enlarge that?
Is DC more powerful, or less powerful after Trump?
Is the Federal government larger, or smaller under Trump?
You know the answer. Stop blaming the Dems only.
But the Dems are the ones who constantly tell me they want a larger government. Sure, many R's are complete hypocrites and lack substance to effect their beliefs, but I will stick to the side which at the very least gives me lip service. I won't side with the guy who tells me flat out he intends to do it.
Anyway, I am waiting for my queen, Nikki Haily, to arrive. She will deliver all of us from purgatory even though many here will tell me she is the devil incarnate.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:55 pm
by Peter Brown
Trinity wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:51 pm
Burr was selling his stock on information Trump was classifying. No bottom.
Criminal.
Read about the STOCK Act. Congress will never police itself.
