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old salt wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:55 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:41 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:43 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:31 pm

I'm also not in favor of removing statues except those of Confederates who fought against their country.

That’s a disparaging “woke” in his mind.

...as opposed to our courageous slave holding founding fathers who fought against their country.

I have absolutely no problem with Thomas Jefferson, for instance. None at all.

Sally Hemmings was a babe.

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:29 pm Nice.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... -tennessee

“ His attorney appealed, arguing Gilbert’s right to a fair trial was violated because the jury deliberated in a room adorned with an antique Confederate flag and a portrait of the Confederate president, Jefferson Davis.”

It’s the “statue” ladies again.

‘The appeals court ruling said allowing the jury to decide whether Gilbert was innocent or guilty in a room at the Giles county courthouse maintained by the United Daughters of the Confederacy “exposed the jury to extraneous prejudicial information and violated his constitutional rights to a fair trial conducted by an impartial jury”.‘

tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:23 pm
Maybe. So what do we do now? Erase that history or qualify it within the context of it's time?

Contrasting how far our society has come should be qualified. You probably disagree.

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:36 pm
You'd prefer to qualify it within the context of its time, tech?

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:54 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:37 pm Sure. There's still a spot open for you on HMS Victory........on the POOP Deck.
Regardless of who was really in charge, Parliament or King George the plain effect on the North Americans was IDENTICAL and resulted in REVOLUTION. Unless, of course, you are now going to assert that the American Revolution was unnecessary as the King and Parliament were such fine, upstanding Englishmen?

You do really make it easy to caricature your lame attempts to be funny which always fail miserably.

Was the REVOLUTION necessary ? Canada didn't need a REVOLUTION & they turned our pretty well. Of course they were not revolting about paying taxes on wealth earned from the forced labor of chattel slavery & they were not being lead by a wealthy slave owning elite. In fact, George III vastly increased Canada's size, while his British military guaranteed their survival. That may be why they remain loyal to the Crown to this day.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:38 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:55 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:41 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:43 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:31 pm

I'm also not in favor of removing statues except those of Confederates who fought against their country.

That’s a disparaging “woke” in his mind.

...as opposed to our courageous slave holding founding fathers who fought against their country.

I have absolutely no problem with Thomas Jefferson, for instance. None at all.

Sally Hemmings was a babe.

Damn skippy!! in-laws….

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:29 am a fan, sorry had to drop this earlier...

I made this general post the other day: "History is indelible, good or bad, can't nor should be erased."

In a general sense, do you agree? If not, let's stop there because any discussion thereafter will hit the wall.

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:40 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:29 am a fan, sorry had to drop this earlier...

I made this general post the other day: "History is indelible, good or bad, can't nor should be erased."

In a general sense, do you agree? If not, let's stop there because any discussion thereafter will hit the wall.

No, I don't agree. And I doubt you do you in any other instance . We erase history all the time, every day. Doubly so when bad things happen.

-should we leave up all those "whites only" signs at hotels, restaurants and water fountains? Can't erase history, right?

-should we leave up the banners with swastikas on them that were flown in Madison Square Garden before WWII? Can't erase history?

-or how about the World Trade Center? Why'd we clean that up? Leave "history" as is, right?

-at my High School, Columbine, they destroyed the library where many of the kids were killed. We should have left that? That's your position?


You and OS are behaving as if you think that former slaves and their children are the ones who put up those Confederate statues....and that people in 2021 are just being fickle. If you REALLY believe this "history" angle? Take a look at who, when, and why those Confederate statues were installed. It ain't pretty. Heck---- tell this history, as you put it, and post a big sign next to most statues that reads: "white racists paid to put this in at the height of Jim Crow to show black Americans who runs things around here. And the current people of this town still think this monument is a good idea"

And if you still disagree with them being removed, that's cool. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But the reaction you and OS are getting here is because you're behaving as if you don't understand why some Americans don't want to celebrate traitors who tried to dissolve America. Traitors who fought to keep some of your fellow Americans in chains. If that's not what you mean to convey, ok...but I"m telling you, that's the message you're sending.

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:46 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:40 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:29 am a fan, sorry had to drop this earlier...

I made this general post the other day: "History is indelible, good or bad, can't nor should be erased."

In a general sense, do you agree? If not, let's stop there because any discussion thereafter will hit the wall.

No, I don't agree. And I doubt you do you in any other instance . We erase history all the time, every day. Doubly so when bad things happen.

-should we leave up all those "whites only" signs at hotels, restaurants and water fountains? Can't erase history, right?

-should we leave up the banners with swastikas on them that were flown in Madison Square Garden before WWII? Can't erase history?

-or how about the World Trade Center? Why'd we clean that up? Leave "history" as is, right?

-at my High School, Columbine, they destroyed the library where many of the kids were killed. We should have left that? That's your position?


You and OS are behaving as if you think that former slaves and their children are the ones who put up those Confederate statues....and that people in 2021 are just being fickle. If you REALLY believe this "history" angle? Take a look at who, when, and why those Confederate statues were installed. It ain't pretty. Heck---- tell this history, as you put it, and post a big sign next to most statues that reads: "white racists paid to put this in at the height of Jim Crow to show black Americans who runs things around here. And the current people of this town still think this monument is a good idea"

And if you still disagree with them being removed, that's cool. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But the reaction you and OS are getting here is because you're behaving as if you don't understand why some Americans don't want to celebrate traitors who tried to dissolve America. Traitors who fought to keep some of your fellow Americans in chains. If that's not what you mean to convey, ok...but I"m telling you, that's the message you're sending.

"No, I don't agree." would have been sufficient

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:46 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:40 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:29 am a fan, sorry had to drop this earlier...

I made this general post the other day: "History is indelible, good or bad, can't nor should be erased."

In a general sense, do you agree? If not, let's stop there because any discussion thereafter will hit the wall.

No, I don't agree. And I doubt you do you in any other instance . We erase history all the time, every day. Doubly so when bad things happen.

-should we leave up all those "whites only" signs at hotels, restaurants and water fountains? Can't erase history, right?

-should we leave up the banners with swastikas on them that were flown in Madison Square Garden before WWII? Can't erase history?

-or how about the World Trade Center? Why'd we clean that up? Leave "history" as is, right?

-at my High School, Columbine, they destroyed the library where many of the kids were killed. We should have left that? That's your position?


You and OS are behaving as if you think that former slaves and their children are the ones who put up those Confederate statues....and that people in 2021 are just being fickle. If you REALLY believe this "history" angle? Take a look at who, when, and why those Confederate statues were installed. It ain't pretty. Heck---- tell this history, as you put it, and post a big sign next to most statues that reads: "white racists paid to put this in at the height of Jim Crow to show black Americans who runs things around here. And the current people of this town still think this monument is a good idea"

And if you still disagree with them being removed, that's cool. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But the reaction you and OS are getting here is because you're behaving as if you don't understand why some Americans don't want to celebrate traitors who tried to dissolve America. Traitors who fought to keep some of your fellow Americans in chains. If that's not what you mean to convey, ok...but I"m telling you, that's the message you're sending.

"No, I don't agree." would have been sufficient

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:57 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:46 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:40 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:29 am a fan, sorry had to drop this earlier...

I made this general post the other day: "History is indelible, good or bad, can't nor should be erased."

In a general sense, do you agree? If not, let's stop there because any discussion thereafter will hit the wall.

No, I don't agree. And I doubt you do you in any other instance . We erase history all the time, every day. Doubly so when bad things happen.

-should we leave up all those "whites only" signs at hotels, restaurants and water fountains? Can't erase history, right?

-should we leave up the banners with swastikas on them that were flown in Madison Square Garden before WWII? Can't erase history?

-or how about the World Trade Center? Why'd we clean that up? Leave "history" as is, right?

-at my High School, Columbine, they destroyed the library where many of the kids were killed. We should have left that? That's your position?


You and OS are behaving as if you think that former slaves and their children are the ones who put up those Confederate statues....and that people in 2021 are just being fickle. If you REALLY believe this "history" angle? Take a look at who, when, and why those Confederate statues were installed. It ain't pretty. Heck---- tell this history, as you put it, and post a big sign next to most statues that reads: "white racists paid to put this in at the height of Jim Crow to show black Americans who runs things around here. And the current people of this town still think this monument is a good idea"

And if you still disagree with them being removed, that's cool. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But the reaction you and OS are getting here is because you're behaving as if you don't understand why some Americans don't want to celebrate traitors who tried to dissolve America. Traitors who fought to keep some of your fellow Americans in chains. If that's not what you mean to convey, ok...but I"m telling you, that's the message you're sending.

"No, I don't agree." would have been sufficient

Oh, I know. I keep thinking we're discussing ideas here. Guess not. So nope, I don't agree, and thus ends what I think is an interesting discussion.

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:02 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:57 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:46 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:40 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:29 am a fan, sorry had to drop this earlier...

I made this general post the other day: "History is indelible, good or bad, can't nor should be erased."

In a general sense, do you agree? If not, let's stop there because any discussion thereafter will hit the wall.

No, I don't agree. And I doubt you do you in any other instance . We erase history all the time, every day. Doubly so when bad things happen.

-should we leave up all those "whites only" signs at hotels, restaurants and water fountains? Can't erase history, right?

-should we leave up the banners with swastikas on them that were flown in Madison Square Garden before WWII? Can't erase history?

-or how about the World Trade Center? Why'd we clean that up? Leave "history" as is, right?

-at my High School, Columbine, they destroyed the library where many of the kids were killed. We should have left that? That's your position?


You and OS are behaving as if you think that former slaves and their children are the ones who put up those Confederate statues....and that people in 2021 are just being fickle. If you REALLY believe this "history" angle? Take a look at who, when, and why those Confederate statues were installed. It ain't pretty. Heck---- tell this history, as you put it, and post a big sign next to most statues that reads: "white racists paid to put this in at the height of Jim Crow to show black Americans who runs things around here. And the current people of this town still think this monument is a good idea"

And if you still disagree with them being removed, that's cool. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But the reaction you and OS are getting here is because you're behaving as if you don't understand why some Americans don't want to celebrate traitors who tried to dissolve America. Traitors who fought to keep some of your fellow Americans in chains. If that's not what you mean to convey, ok...but I"m telling you, that's the message you're sending.

"No, I don't agree." would have been sufficient

Oh, I know. I keep thinking we're discussing ideas here. Guess not. So nope, I don't agree, and thus ends what I think is an interesting discussion.

Actually wrong. It ends an opportunity for you to misrepresent other's opinions.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:41 pm An in today’s news:



The airing of grievances.

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:52 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:41 pm An in today’s news:



The airing of grievances.

Was it a Festivus celebration or just a bunch of government agents and informers dressed up like Nazis?

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:54 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:46 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:40 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:29 am a fan, sorry had to drop this earlier...

I made this general post the other day: "History is indelible, good or bad, can't nor should be erased."

In a general sense, do you agree? If not, let's stop there because any discussion thereafter will hit the wall.

No, I don't agree. And I doubt you do you in any other instance . We erase history all the time, every day. Doubly so when bad things happen.

-should we leave up all those "whites only" signs at hotels, restaurants and water fountains? Can't erase history, right?

-should we leave up the banners with swastikas on them that were flown in Madison Square Garden before WWII? Can't erase history?

-or how about the World Trade Center? Why'd we clean that up? Leave "history" as is, right?

-at my High School, Columbine, they destroyed the library where many of the kids were killed. We should have left that? That's your position?


You and OS are behaving as if you think that former slaves and their children are the ones who put up those Confederate statues....and that people in 2021 are just being fickle. If you REALLY believe this "history" angle? Take a look at who, when, and why those Confederate statues were installed. It ain't pretty. Heck---- tell this history, as you put it, and post a big sign next to most statues that reads: "white racists paid to put this in at the height of Jim Crow to show black Americans who runs things around here. And the current people of this town still think this monument is a good idea"

And if you still disagree with them being removed, that's cool. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But the reaction you and OS are getting here is because you're behaving as if you don't understand why some Americans don't want to celebrate traitors who tried to dissolve America. Traitors who fought to keep some of your fellow Americans in chains. If that's not what you mean to convey, ok...but I"m telling you, that's the message you're sending.

"No, I don't agree." would have been sufficient

I preferred the full-throated reply. Thanks!

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:55 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:52 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:41 pm An in today’s news:



The airing of grievances.

Was it a Festivus celebration or just a bunch of government agents and informers dressed up like Nazis?

I can’t believe this is the year 2021. Bizarro world.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:28 pm Justice Department closes Emmett Till murder probe
Shawna Chen
Shawna Chen
Photo of Emmett Till's tombstone
A faded photograph is attached to the headstone that marks the gravesite of Emmett Till in Burr Oak Cemetery in Chicago, Illinois. Photo: Scott Olson via Getty Images
The family of Emmett Till announced Monday that the Department of Justice has formally closed its second investigation into the 1955 murder of Emmett Till.

Why it matters: The DOJ reopened the probe in 2018 after the white woman at the center of the case reportedly recanted her allegation that Till, a Black 14-year-old, sexually harassed her prior to his murder.

His killing in part galvanized the civil rights movement, and highlighted injustices surrounding written and unwritten codes for Black people in the Jim Crow-era South.
Catch up quick: Till crossed paths with Carolyn Bryant Donham, who was then 20, in Mississippi at the grocery store she ran with her husband.

Donham testified that Till grabbed and propositioned her that day, while witness accounts said he whistled at her. Within days, Donham's husband and brother-in-law abducted and lynched Till after brutally mutilating his body.
An all-white jury cleared the two white men in 1955, though they admitted to killing Till in an interview a year later.
The DOJ launched its initial investigation in 2004 but concluded in 2007 that no one could be prosecuted based on existing evidence and the statute of limitations.
According to historian Timothy Tyson's 2017 book, Donham told him that trial testimony was false when they spoke in 2008.
After facing calls to re-open the case, federal investigators turned to Donham again, but she denied recanting her testimony.
Driving the news: The DOJ closed the probe after finding no verifiable evidence of her alleged recantation, which was not properly recorded or documented. Her family has denied that she walked back her accusation, per ABC News.

The announcement came after Till's family met with Assistant Attorney General Kristen Clarke on Monday.
What they're saying: "I was 16 years old and I remember reading how they demonized him," Wheeler Parker, Till's cousin who witnessed his kidnapping that night, said in the news conference. "And I just couldn't understand how you could treat a person like that."

"He did not die in vain," he said. "Many things ... have come about because of his death. Whatever we do, we can't bring him back. We can carry on and let America know we need to know the truth."
"Even though we don't feel that we got justice, we still must move forward so that these particular hate crimes will not continue to be done," added Ollie Gordon, another one of Till's cousins.