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old salt wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:14 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:02 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:57 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:54 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:48 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:32 pm It's also inaccurate to characterize A.P. Hill as a loser, at least on the battle field.

Although "Little Powell" enjoyed a favorable and successful career during the Civil War, his death on April 2, 1865 (during the Union breakthrough in the Third Battle of Petersburg, just seven days before Lee's surrender at Appomattox Court House), where he was shot dead by a Union soldiers, as he rode out to the front of the Petersburg lines, accompanied by one staff officer calling upon the Union soldiers to surrender. Not a particularly bright move and certainly not a winning move either. Confederates were forced to evacuate those lines shortly thereafter and the rest, as they say, is history.

Certainly, U.S. Grant was a good deal more successful in terms of military success in the same war and never has had a fort named after him - maybe when they remove Hill's name they can replace it with Grant.

Was he shot in the back?

Was A P Hill ?

Yes. Was he shot in the back?

No. He was shot in the chest by a Union Corporal named Mauck.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:26 pm I say that Fort Hood in TexASS be renamed for a real American - let's call it Fort Courage!
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Anybody who disagrees is unAmerican!

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:56 pm
I just don't think it's accurate history to include A. P. Hill in the group of "loser" Confederate Generals, for whom Forts are named.
Unlike Lee & Grant who commanded entire armies from their HQ's in the rear, Jackson & Hill were commanders of component corps engaged in maneuver warfare which they commanded from the battlefield, exposing themselves to enemy fire.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:07 pm
Fairly sure Democrats would like to call it Fort Jussie Smollett.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:56 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:07 pm
Fairly sure Democrats would like to call it Fort Jussie Smollett.

Who told you that, Captain Spanky Bones Spurs?

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:39 pm

When I first heard the Smollett story, I mentioned here that it didn’t sound right. I never believed it. I had never heard of him before that incident.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:50 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:39 pm

When I first heard the Smollett story, I mentioned here that it didn’t sound right. I never believed it. I had never heard of him before that incident.

Anybody remember the name of the right wing radio host who said he had been targeted by black teens? Was a while ago but the media did not report it as they did with Smollett and it seems to have disappeared from the Internet.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:56 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:07 pm
Fairly sure Democrats would like to call it Fort Jussie Smollett.

Who told you that, Captain Spanky Bones Spurs?

njbill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:25 pm
There will never be a Fort Trump. That I can tell you. Nor a USS Trump, a Trump Park (Trump Plaza already bit the dust), or anything of the sort. If they ever built a monument to Trump, it would be the first such structure in history to be torn down on the same day it was erected.

Maybe NYC will name its dump after him. The Trump Dump. Catchy. And fitting. Home of the Trump stink.

njbill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:25 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:56 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:07 pm
Fairly sure Democrats would like to call it Fort Jussie Smollett.

Who told you that, Captain Spanky Bones Spurs?

There will never be a Fort Trump. That I can tell you. Nor a USS Trump, a Trump Park (Trump Plaza already bit the dust), or anything of the sort. If they ever built a monument to Trump, it would be the first such structure in history to be torn down on the same day it was erected.

Maybe NYC will name its dump after him. The Trump Dump. Catchy. And fitting. Home of the Trump stink.

njbill wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:25 pm

There will never be a Fort Trump. That I can tell you. Nor a USS Trump, a Trump Park (Trump Plaza already bit the dust), or anything of the sort. If they ever built a monument to Trump, it would be the first such structure in history to be torn down on the same day it was erected.

Maybe NYC will name its dump after him. The Trump Dump. Catchy. And fitting. Home of the Trump stink.

ggait wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:52 pm

njbill wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:25 pm

There will never be a Fort Trump. That I can tell you. Nor a USS Trump, a Trump Park (Trump Plaza already bit the dust), or anything of the sort. If they ever built a monument to Trump, it would be the first such structure in history to be torn down on the same day it was erected.

Maybe NYC will name its dump after him. The Trump Dump. Catchy. And fitting. Home of the Trump stink.

Call me TDS-ed, but I really do doubt if anything will ever get named after Trump.

Can you imagine there being a Trump presidential library? I can't. Fordham and Penn wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole.

I believe Nixon has a library, but is there anything else named after him?

Fingers crossed, but Trump is just months away from locking up the title as POTUS WOAT. Quite the legacy he hopefully will have. Lost the popular vote twice -- no one has ever done that before. And impeached. And then maybe indicted/convicted.

Although I wouldn't mind if Sleepy/Creepy Joe pardoned Trump just so we could just be done with him.

Poll out today -- Trump only +2 against S/C Joe in Arkansas. Arkansas, seriously? Trump hammered Hillary in AR in 2016 by 26.9%...

ggait wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:57 pm First, recognize that the job of a cop is to deal with bad people and bad situations. You are in the wrong line of work if you don't want to deal with drunks, druggies, jerks, criminals, etc. under conditions of stress and emotion. Don't become a doctor if you hate dealing with sick people!

The only reason that we give you a badge, color of authority, a gun, and a license to kill is because we expect you to be able to use those things lawfully and responsibly. We also assume your employer will have screened and trained you so that you can do that.

I suspect the training really let this officer down. Running from the cops is just not a capital offense. The cops knew the perp did not have any weapons (having previously patted the guy down). So if you or others are not in mortal danger, then deadly force is just not even close to being an justified option. Even after taking heat of the moment into account.

Police authorities finally got around to banning car chases in almost all cases. Turns out trying to "always get your man" via a car chase is just too dangerous and unjustified thing to do. There's just so many other better and safer ways to make the collar. Same needs to be applied to choke holds and deadly force.

I can think of 20 easy ways these cops could have collared this perp without using a gun. Like maybe following him slowly on foot and with a cruiser as he tries to run? How far and fast is a drunk guy in the dark really going to be able get? Like maybe going to his house later to make the arrest? Totally do-able since the cops did have the guy's name, driver license and car.

Shooting the guy in these circumstances is NOT doing the job. It is massively failing to do the job.

I do think that the quick firings of these offending officers is going to be pretty helpful to getting the cops to do better. Screw the drawn out union disciplinary process. You screwed up badly; you're fired. Knock yourself out if you want to sue for wrongful termination. But as of today, you've got no job, no paycheck, and no career. Because we take this shirt seriously. Totally the correct management technique.