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Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:20 pm
by Sidelinehorn!
HopFan16 wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:44 pm The program is doing some fundraising and many of the names who have pitched in are public. Some pretty big names supporting this latest round:

Morrill, Haugen, Gagliardi, Ranagan, Kumin, Bocklet, LeSueur, Raymond, Watson, Denihan, Stanwick, Federico, and lots more.

https://www.givecampus.com/schools/John ... -challenge
Is this something that goes on annually? Surprised me tbh...

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:54 pm
by Sagittarius A*
Sidelinehorn! wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:20 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:44 pm The program is doing some fundraising and many of the names who have pitched in are public. Some pretty big names supporting this latest round:

Morrill, Haugen, Gagliardi, Ranagan, Kumin, Bocklet, LeSueur, Raymond, Watson, Denihan, Stanwick, Federico, and lots more.

https://www.givecampus.com/schools/John ... -challenge
Is this something that goes on annually? Surprised me tbh...
I logged in through the Blue Jays unlimited link and you can actually give gifts in honor of players, or in memory of people, so I thought that was really cool.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:32 pm
by FMUBart
Surprised Hop has dropped MSM given it's a mid-week tilt and the 2020 game was MSM's until they gifted it away...

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:02 pm
by Drcthru
FMUBart wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:32 pm Surprised Hop has dropped MSM given it's a mid-week tilt and the 2020 game was MSM's until they gifted it away...
They found bigger fish to fry. :lol:

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:17 pm
by jhu06
Sagittarius A* wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:54 pm
Sidelinehorn! wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:20 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:44 pm The program is doing some fundraising and many of the names who have pitched in are public. Some pretty big names supporting this latest round:

Morrill, Haugen, Gagliardi, Ranagan, Kumin, Bocklet, LeSueur, Raymond, Watson, Denihan, Stanwick, Federico, and lots more.

https://www.givecampus.com/schools/John ... -challenge
Is this something that goes on annually? Surprised me tbh...
I logged in through the Blue Jays unlimited link and you can actually give gifts in honor of players, or in memory of people, so I thought that was really cool.
If the denver trip costs $1k/a student athlete we have an issue. It's totally worth it because of the exposure the program brings the school, but still that's a lot.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:32 pm
by HopFan16
jhu06 wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:17 pm
Sagittarius A* wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:54 pm
Sidelinehorn! wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:20 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:44 pm The program is doing some fundraising and many of the names who have pitched in are public. Some pretty big names supporting this latest round:

Morrill, Haugen, Gagliardi, Ranagan, Kumin, Bocklet, LeSueur, Raymond, Watson, Denihan, Stanwick, Federico, and lots more.

https://www.givecampus.com/schools/John ... -challenge
Is this something that goes on annually? Surprised me tbh...
I logged in through the Blue Jays unlimited link and you can actually give gifts in honor of players, or in memory of people, so I thought that was really cool.
If the denver trip costs $1k/a student athlete we have an issue. It's totally worth it because of the exposure the program brings the school, but still that's a lot.
That's about how much it costs to transport a human being across the country and then house and feed him for a weekend. Do you know what money is? Or maybe you think Baker is pilfering a bit off the top to give to the women's team to fund more sweatpants to wear around campus.

If it cost any less than that you'd complain that they weren't sending them on a nice enough airline or that their plane food wasn't up to the standards of the Hopkins lacrosse brand. You'd find something though.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:01 pm
by Sidelinehorn!
I just thought maybe the 8.8 billion dollar endowment and 55k tuition would foot that bill...

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:04 pm
by FMUBart
Sidelinehorn! wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:01 pm I just thought maybe the 8.8 billion dollar endowment and 55k tuition would foot that bill...
haha, exactly!

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:16 pm
by HopFan16
Sidelinehorn! wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:01 pm I just thought maybe the 8.8 billion dollar endowment and 55k tuition would foot that bill...
It does?

It's not like they aren't going to go to Denver if they don't meet these precise alumni fundraising goals. If they fall $10 short, does that mean one student starves after practice? Sorry Jack, but we fell a couple bucks short this year. You're on your own.

They're giving alumni benchmarks so that those donating know how the program plans to use the money it gets. It's good practice. It doesn't mean these things are financed entirely by donations with no contribution from the existing budget. That's not how any of this works.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:26 pm
by hmmm
HopFan16 wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:32 pm
jhu06 wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:17 pm
Sagittarius A* wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:54 pm
Sidelinehorn! wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:20 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:44 pm The program is doing some fundraising and many of the names who have pitched in are public. Some pretty big names supporting this latest round:

Morrill, Haugen, Gagliardi, Ranagan, Kumin, Bocklet, LeSueur, Raymond, Watson, Denihan, Stanwick, Federico, and lots more.

https://www.givecampus.com/schools/John ... -challenge
Is this something that goes on annually? Surprised me tbh...
I logged in through the Blue Jays unlimited link and you can actually give gifts in honor of players, or in memory of people, so I thought that was really cool.
If the denver trip costs $1k/a student athlete we have an issue. It's totally worth it because of the exposure the program brings the school, but still that's a lot.
That's about how much it costs to transport a human being across the country and then house and feed him for a weekend. Do you know what money is? Or maybe you think Baker is pilfering a bit off the top to give to the women's team to fund more sweatpants to wear around campus.

If it cost any less than that you'd complain that they weren't sending them on a nice enough airline or that their plane food wasn't up to the standards of the Hopkins lacrosse brand. You'd find something though.
Well the women's team fundraising campaign has raised over $42k and the men's is at $18k. Think the women can afford their own sweatpants. Step it up men's alumni.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:13 pm
by Big Dog
jhu06 wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:17 pm
Sagittarius A* wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:54 pm
Sidelinehorn! wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:20 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:44 pm The program is doing some fundraising and many of the names who have pitched in are public. Some pretty big names supporting this latest round:

Morrill, Haugen, Gagliardi, Ranagan, Kumin, Bocklet, LeSueur, Raymond, Watson, Denihan, Stanwick, Federico, and lots more.

https://www.givecampus.com/schools/John ... -challenge
Is this something that goes on annually? Surprised me tbh...
I logged in through the Blue Jays unlimited link and you can actually give gifts in honor of players, or in memory of people, so I thought that was really cool.
If the denver trip costs $1k/a student athlete we have an issue. It's totally worth it because of the exposure the program brings the school, but still that's a lot.
Maybe Mike B is loaning the team one of his Gulfstreams....

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:09 am
by Sidelinehorn!
HopFan16 wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:16 pm
Sidelinehorn! wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:01 pm I just thought maybe the 8.8 billion dollar endowment and 55k tuition would foot that bill...
It does?

It's not like they aren't going to go to Denver if they don't meet these precise alumni fundraising goals. If they fall $10 short, does that mean one student starves after practice? Sorry Jack, but we fell a couple bucks short this year. You're on your own.

They're giving alumni benchmarks so that those donating know how the program plans to use the money it gets. It's good practice. It doesn't mean these things are financed entirely by donations with no contribution from the existing budget. That's not how any of this works.
Yeah I understand how philanthropy works...It's just odd to have Hopkins shaking their virtual change jar from the window of their Bentley....I have the same feelings about the Ivy league so don't feel attacked...

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:39 am
by 51percentcorn
for those who care about such things - Inside Lacrosse included a very complimentary write-up on Hopkins recruit Jewel n their write-up on an Adrenaline event in Nevada.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:28 am
by HopFan16
Sidelinehorn! wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:09 am
HopFan16 wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:16 pm
Sidelinehorn! wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:01 pm I just thought maybe the 8.8 billion dollar endowment and 55k tuition would foot that bill...
It does?

It's not like they aren't going to go to Denver if they don't meet these precise alumni fundraising goals. If they fall $10 short, does that mean one student starves after practice? Sorry Jack, but we fell a couple bucks short this year. You're on your own.

They're giving alumni benchmarks so that those donating know how the program plans to use the money it gets. It's good practice. It doesn't mean these things are financed entirely by donations with no contribution from the existing budget. That's not how any of this works.
Yeah I understand how philanthropy works...It's just odd to have Hopkins shaking their virtual change jar from the window of their Bentley....I have the same feelings about the Ivy league so don't feel attacked...
What about Duke and Notre Dame? Tuition is the same there as it is at Hopkins, and they have even bigger endowments.

If you want to argue the entire US collegiate financial system is a sham, I won't argue with you. But there's really nothing odd about a lacrosse program seeking alumni support.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:01 am
by Sidelinehorn!
I would just save my asks for something bigger...that's all...I understand the psychology behind it...but you're right...sham

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:40 pm
by backerzone
Sidelinehorn! wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:09 am
HopFan16 wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:16 pm
Sidelinehorn! wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:01 pm I just thought maybe the 8.8 billion dollar endowment and 55k tuition would foot that bill...
It does?

It's not like they aren't going to go to Denver if they don't meet these precise alumni fundraising goals. If they fall $10 short, does that mean one student starves after practice? Sorry Jack, but we fell a couple bucks short this year. You're on your own.

They're giving alumni benchmarks so that those donating know how the program plans to use the money it gets. It's good practice. It doesn't mean these things are financed entirely by donations with no contribution from the existing budget. That's not how any of this works.
Yeah I understand how philanthropy works...It's just odd to have Hopkins shaking their virtual change jar from the window of their Bentley....I have the same feelings about the Ivy league so don't feel attacked...
Friends with a player at Duke tell me they routinely raise 200-300k from lax alums and friends in their day of giving.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:52 pm
by Sidelinehorn!
I know Bryant raises between 75k-100k doing the same....

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:08 pm
by MDlaxfan76
I suspect all of the D1 schools "need" alumni donations to augment the lacrosse team budget.

Certainly this is true at the most selective schools despite large endowments, pretty much none of which is prioritized or directed to athletics other than through the general support of all programs. That is, unless there's a specific endowment raised for that sport...so, we're seeing an increasing # of schools' alumni 'friends' programs raise endowed funds for a coaching position or two.

The schools do contribute operational funds for each sport, but there's no way a school can hire a full complement of coaches, travel, etc without alumni fundraising.

And, at many of these most selective schools, we're seeing funds from the school budget be frozen over the past decade or worse, squeezed lower...all of this means that a greater share of the costs gets borne by alumni year over year.

It's not as if the school administrations, at nearly any of these schools, actually cares whether they have the best lacrosse team possible, or, in best case situations, let's just say that would be low on their list of priorities. More of a nice to have, but they'd trade that for all sorts of other academically oriented programs any day.

Hopkins has had a very generous alumni support network, a real advantage historically.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:27 pm
by CTlaxfan1
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:08 pm I suspect all of the D1 schools "need" alumni donations to augment the lacrosse team budget.

Certainly this is true at the most selective schools despite large endowments, pretty much none of which is prioritized or directed to athletics other than through the general support of all programs. That is, unless there's a specific endowment raised for that sport...so, we're seeing an increasing # of schools' alumni 'friends' programs raise endowed funds for a coaching position or two.

The schools do contribute operational funds for each sport, but there's no way a school can hire a full complement of coaches, travel, etc without alumni fundraising.

And, at many of these most selective schools, we're seeing funds from the school budget be frozen over the past decade or worse, squeezed lower...all of this means that a greater share of the costs gets borne by alumni year over year.

It's not as if the school administrations, at nearly any of these schools, actually cares whether they have the best lacrosse team possible, or, in best case situations, let's just say that would be low on their list of priorities. More of a nice to have, but they'd trade that for all sorts of other academically oriented programs any day.

Hopkins has had a very generous alumni support network, a real advantage historically.
Any idea what annual lacrosse budget of a top 25 D1 school is?

Re: Johns Hopkins 2022

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:46 pm
by 10stone5
From the USA Lacrosse article on Petro - Gait,

Pietramala gauges the improvement of the defense in part through their feedback. He looks reinvigorated in grey and orange. He wants to be a head coach again, but he’s in no hurry. He wakes up at 4:30 a.m. every weekday morning to arrive early and oversee the Orange’s 6 a.m. lifts.

He’s lost 64 pounds from when he was at Hopkins,


but says he has a long way to go.