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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:43 pm
by Matnum PI
If the world was vegetarian, a large percentage of these pandemics would be all but meaningless. If the world lived in harmony with nature, these pandemics basically would never have existed. I'm currently not a vegetarian nor do I live in harmony with nature and... Just a post.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:47 pm
by ggait
Does sound promising. Let's pray this one pans out.
Let's hope we hear this being touted soon by FDA/CDC/WHO (#credibility) rather than Trump and FNC (#thefakestnews).
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:48 pm
by CU88
looks like the cure is about to be on the streets now!
Jordan Fabian White House Reporter Jordanfabian
Trump said a drug called hydroxychloroquine, used to treat malaria, has shown “very, very encouraging early results” on coronavirus and that FDA will make it available “almost immediately.”
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:48 pm
by ChairmanOfTheBoard
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:43 pm
If the world was vegetarian, a large percentage of these pandemics would be all but meaningless. If the world lived in harmony with nature, these pandemics basically would never have existed. I'm currently not a vegetarian nor do I live in harmony with nature and... Just a post.
and there's a lot of truth to this post- forgetting the adverse health effects, the environmental impact, yes you get this.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:50 pm
by jhu72
Bart wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:34 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:07 pm
Someone who gets it. The answer is - not known. Not suspected to be a problem, but not known. This question was not answered in the very small study. It is promising. It is not ready for release to the public in general. Not close.
What will happen is they will do a more significant trial. This will take time. They will also release it for use in very critical cases, with the permission of the patient. If the FDA holds true to form, they will follow their procedure on both safety and effectiveness and study it carefully. We are closer to the beginning than the end on this "drug".
I actually find it hilarious, that the non-scientists, general deniers of climate change, who accuse scientist of jumping to conclusions, these same folks doing all the conclusion jumping. The scientist taking a measured stance on this drug.
But it IS a beginning. It will be interesting indeed but one is antimicrobial and one is antiviral. They are not interacting on the same mechanism. Is there an interaction, like you said we do not know but it certainly is as good a place to start as any.
Of course trials will need to be increases but as to the FDA's response that is another - not known. You are assuming, perhaps correctly, that attitudes would not change if mortality increases dramatically. I am not going to assume anything at this time as alot of people have said, this is a new and interesting time.
The fact that one is antiviral, the other antibiotic isn't really surprising. Most of the deaths early on were being caused by pneumonia after weakening by COVID. The study claims that the older test cases saw more improvement on the combination drug, than the antiviral alone, than the younger members of the study. Again, non-existent statistics.
The FDA will be the FDA and proceed judiciously until someone in the administration gets antsy. The FDA clearly sees the need for speed, but they aren't going to take short cuts, especially on safety, unless ordered to do so. Trump would release it for general use today, and declare victory if he thought he could get away with it. The allowance for critical cases, done not infrequently under FDA rules, should suffice I would think.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:00 pm
by old salt
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:58 am
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:25 am
“No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States,” said WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris. “This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity.”
Salty we can make that case over and over but will get nowhere.
Google "Trump refuses WHO Coronavirus Test"—I stopped 6 pages in—stories from every media outlet All confirming the lie.
Same with the claim Trump fired the only person at the White House that could've stopped/managed/understood the coronavirus epidemic.
They print the lie. Reprint the lie. Then amplify the lie across all platforms. In most cases using the same vocabulary.
Then will get a media run poll that says a majority of Americans believe the lie.
I thought Admiral Giroir just a couple days ago said he enquired of the WHO about their test. Harris is correct as to what is SOP. You want to do something besides SOP, the administration has to do something to make that happen. They did not. This is not news.
I posted Adm Giroir's exact words from the presser. I say again :
When I became involved in the testing world, I called as many senior officials at the WHO that I could find, to understand what the situation was. Aas far as I can tell, from sources that should know, no one ever offered a test that we refused. This is a research grade test that was not approved, not submitted to the FDA, that was supplied in tens of thousands in quantity, to a hundred countries in the world. There's a lot being said about this based on rumor & myth. Nothing was offered that we refused. It was a research test that was not approved. It was a small amount that we have greatly surpassed in a short amount of time.
It tracks with the Politifact finding.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:01 pm
by jhu72
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:43 pm
If the world was vegetarian, a large percentage of these pandemics would be all but meaningless. If the world lived in harmony with nature, these pandemics basically would never have existed. I'm currently not a vegetarian nor do I live in harmony with nature and... Just a post.
You are clearly younger than I am. I am not a vegetarian, but as I have gotten older, I much prefer nuts, vegetables and cheese to meat. But sometimes, nothing but a steak will do.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:06 pm
by Bart
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:50 pm
Bart wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:34 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:07 pm
Someone who gets it. The answer is - not known. Not suspected to be a problem, but not known. This question was not answered in the very small study. It is promising. It is not ready for release to the public in general. Not close.
What will happen is they will do a more significant trial. This will take time. They will also release it for use in very critical cases, with the permission of the patient. If the FDA holds true to form, they will follow their procedure on both safety and effectiveness and study it carefully. We are closer to the beginning than the end on this "drug".
I actually find it hilarious, that the non-scientists, general deniers of climate change, who accuse scientist of jumping to conclusions, these same folks doing all the conclusion jumping. The scientist taking a measured stance on this drug.
But it IS a beginning. It will be interesting indeed but one is antimicrobial and one is antiviral. They are not interacting on the same mechanism. Is there an interaction, like you said we do not know but it certainly is as good a place to start as any.
Of course trials will need to be increases but as to the FDA's response that is another - not known. You are assuming, perhaps correctly, that attitudes would not change if mortality increases dramatically. I am not going to assume anything at this time as alot of people have said, this is a new and interesting time.
The fact that one is antiviral, the other antibiotic isn't really surprising. Most of the deaths early on were being caused by pneumonia after weakening by COVID. The study claims that the older test cases saw more improvement on the combination drug, than the antiviral alone, than the younger members of the study. Again, non-existent statistics.
Yep, I figured this. I have looked regarding antiviral and antimicrobial interactions but have yet to find much that I can access from home. If you have any I would lover to read them. Hard to get Statistics with an N=6
The FDA will be the FDA and proceed judiciously until someone in the administration gets antsy. The FDA clearly sees the need for speed, but they aren't going to take short cuts, especially on safety, unless ordered to do so. Trump would release it for general use today, and declare victory if he thought he could get away with it. The allowance for critical cases, done not infrequently under FDA rules, should suffice I would think.
You are probably right but these are new and interesting times. I would say the administration is already antsy. The question is how quickly will they start clinicals here if this continues to look good?
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:11 pm
by old salt
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:42 am
A Cascade of Warnings, Heard but Unheeded, Before Virus Outbreak
Government exercises, including one last year, made clear that the U.S. was not ready for a pandemic like the coronavirus. But little was done.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/p ... break.html
WASHINGTON — The outbreak of the respiratory virus began in China and was quickly spread around the world by air travelers, who ran high fevers. In the United States, it was first detected in Chicago, and 47 days later the World Health Organization declared a pandemic. By then it was too late: 110 million Americans were expected to become ill, leading to 7.7 million hospitalized and 586,000 dead.
That scenario, code-named “Crimson Contagion,’’ was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August.
The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.
The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge. State officials and local hospitals struggled to figure out what kind of equipment was stockpiled or available. Cities and states went their own way on school closings.
The US HHS ran a simulation and knew what might happen.
Extensive article, with lots of documentation. You should read this. They knew what might happen...
You should see the studies for UFO's or ExtraTerrestrial Alien invasions, ...or just binge watch the latest remake of War of the Worlds.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:15 pm
by Trinity
Trump just kicked the massive response we need to the Governors. He’s happy to support but he’s not a shipping clerk.
Oh, yeah, Jared is quietly leading a corporate strike force.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:18 pm
by old salt
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:47 am
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:17 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:04 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:58 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:51 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:37 am
I think it is helpful to bear in mind that, on average, 7,500 persons die in the United States every day; and that 99% of all COVID cases in the US are classified as 'mild'.
I think it is helpful to bear in mind that, on average, 1700 persons die in Italy every day; and that yesterday 475 died from COVID there.
Here are some eye opening graphs about the deaths in the US from that site. When do you think that death rate is is going to peak or even start to slow down?
I have been tracking it with my own spreadsheet, with the data from the JHU site for about a week. The US number has not moved much, although a bit downward.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
You won't see the USA number really move until time and testing ramp up. Why not use the Worldmeter site? That curve was flat for 6 weeks.
That's just # of deaths/day, not %'s. No denominator.
In the worldmeter chart?
No. In YA's chart. The one posted in the quote (which I appreciate & find informative).
Total Deaths is the critical indicator to me when gauging community spread.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:20 pm
by jhu72
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:00 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:58 am
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:25 am
“No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States,” said WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris. “This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity.”
Salty we can make that case over and over but will get nowhere.
Google "Trump refuses WHO Coronavirus Test"—I stopped 6 pages in—stories from every media outlet All confirming the lie.
Same with the claim Trump fired the only person at the White House that could've stopped/managed/understood the coronavirus epidemic.
They print the lie. Reprint the lie. Then amplify the lie across all platforms. In most cases using the same vocabulary.
Then will get a media run poll that says a majority of Americans believe the lie.
I thought Admiral Giroir just a couple days ago said he enquired of the WHO about their test. Harris is correct as to what is SOP. You want to do something besides SOP, the administration has to do something to make that happen. They did not. This is not news.
I posted Adm Giroir's exact words from the presser. I say again :
When I became involved in the testing world, I called as many senior officials at the WHO that I could find, to understand what the situation was. Aas far as I can tell, from sources that should know, no one ever offered a test that we refused. This is a research grade test that was not approved, not submitted to the FDA, that was supplied in tens of thousands in quantity, to a hundred countries in the world. There's a lot being said about this based on rumor & myth. Nothing was offered that we refused. It was a research test that was not approved. It was a small amount that we have greatly surpassed in a short amount of time.
It tracks with the Politifact finding.
Yup, and in accordance with CDC and FDA process. Nonetheless, I don't believe that the CDC, FDA, NIH, industry consultants and Giroir were not all aware of what the possibility was. We could have had it, scaled up on that test if we had chosen to. Doing so would have required someone in the administration thinking doing so made sense and directed that it be done. I don't believe for a second the CDC and/or NIH folks didn't raise a flag on this, making it known higher up, what the possibilities were. Even Giroir could have raised the flag, but doesn't say he did. The administration made a decision not to do it, either explicitly or pocket veto. Frankly I found Giror's account at the time to be judicially chosen and then no follow up question answered.
Biden pulled a Trump. Bad Biden.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:24 pm
by jhu72
Bart wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:06 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:50 pm
Bart wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:34 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:07 pm
Someone who gets it. The answer is - not known. Not suspected to be a problem, but not known. This question was not answered in the very small study. It is promising. It is not ready for release to the public in general. Not close.
What will happen is they will do a more significant trial. This will take time. They will also release it for use in very critical cases, with the permission of the patient. If the FDA holds true to form, they will follow their procedure on both safety and effectiveness and study it carefully. We are closer to the beginning than the end on this "drug".
I actually find it hilarious, that the non-scientists, general deniers of climate change, who accuse scientist of jumping to conclusions, these same folks doing all the conclusion jumping. The scientist taking a measured stance on this drug.
But it IS a beginning. It will be interesting indeed but one is antimicrobial and one is antiviral. They are not interacting on the same mechanism. Is there an interaction, like you said we do not know but it certainly is as good a place to start as any.
Of course trials will need to be increases but as to the FDA's response that is another - not known. You are assuming, perhaps correctly, that attitudes would not change if mortality increases dramatically. I am not going to assume anything at this time as alot of people have said, this is a new and interesting time.
The fact that one is antiviral, the other antibiotic isn't really surprising. Most of the deaths early on were being caused by pneumonia after weakening by COVID. The study claims that the older test cases saw more improvement on the combination drug, than the antiviral alone, than the younger members of the study. Again, non-existent statistics.
Yep, I figured this. I have looked regarding antiviral and antimicrobial interactions but have yet to find much that I can access from home. If you have any I would lover to read them. Hard to get Statistics with an N=6
The FDA will be the FDA and proceed judiciously until someone in the administration gets antsy. The FDA clearly sees the need for speed, but they aren't going to take short cuts, especially on safety, unless ordered to do so. Trump would release it for general use today, and declare victory if he thought he could get away with it. The allowance for critical cases, done not infrequently under FDA rules, should suffice I would think.
You are probably right but these are new and interesting times. I would say the administration is already antsy. The question is how quickly will they start clinicals here if this continues to look good?
I would be surprised if they are not already moving to get one started very quickly. FDA is not going to drag feet on this.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:28 pm
by old salt
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:24 pm
Bart wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:06 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:50 pm
Bart wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:34 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:07 pm
Someone who gets it. The answer is - not known. Not suspected to be a problem, but not known. This question was not answered in the very small study. It is promising. It is not ready for release to the public in general. Not close.
What will happen is they will do a more significant trial. This will take time. They will also release it for use in very critical cases, with the permission of the patient. If the FDA holds true to form, they will follow their procedure on both safety and effectiveness and study it carefully. We are closer to the beginning than the end on this "drug".
I actually find it hilarious, that the non-scientists, general deniers of climate change, who accuse scientist of jumping to conclusions, these same folks doing all the conclusion jumping. The scientist taking a measured stance on this drug.
But it IS a beginning. It will be interesting indeed but one is antimicrobial and one is antiviral. They are not interacting on the same mechanism. Is there an interaction, like you said we do not know but it certainly is as good a place to start as any.
Of course trials will need to be increases but as to the FDA's response that is another - not known. You are assuming, perhaps correctly, that attitudes would not change if mortality increases dramatically. I am not going to assume anything at this time as alot of people have said, this is a new and interesting time.
The fact that one is antiviral, the other antibiotic isn't really surprising. Most of the deaths early on were being caused by pneumonia after weakening by COVID. The study claims that the older test cases saw more improvement on the combination drug, than the antiviral alone, than the younger members of the study. Again, non-existent statistics.
Yep, I figured this. I have looked regarding antiviral and antimicrobial interactions but have yet to find much that I can access from home. If you have any I would lover to read them. Hard to get Statistics with an N=6
The FDA will be the FDA and proceed judiciously until someone in the administration gets antsy. The FDA clearly sees the need for speed, but they aren't going to take short cuts, especially on safety, unless ordered to do so. Trump would release it for general use today, and declare victory if he thought he could get away with it. The allowance for critical cases, done not infrequently under FDA rules, should suffice I would think.
You are probably right but these are new and interesting times. I would say the administration is already antsy. The question is how quickly will they start clinicals here if this continues to look good?
I would be surprised if they are not already moving to get one started very quickly. FDA is not going to drag feet on this.
According to the Politifact finding, the CDC did the same thing that other 1st world nations did -- took the WHO data & made a test kit.
The WHO liked germany's best, replicated it & distributed it to smaller nations.
The CDC had a "technical glitch" which delayed our test kits.
All as reported.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:30 pm
by jhu72
Trinity wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:15 pm
Trump just kicked the massive response we need to the Governors. He’s happy to support but he’s not a shipping clerk.
Oh, yeah, Jared is quietly leading a corporate strike force.
He wants to be responsible for the win (all due to him) and distance himself from the loss (nothing sticks to his shoe). Typical Trump.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:32 pm
by jhu72
Italian deaths now greater than China's. A country of 70 million compared to a country of a couple billion. This should scare you!
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:32 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:47 am
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:17 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:04 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:58 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:51 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:37 am
I think it is helpful to bear in mind that, on average, 7,500 persons die in the United States every day; and that 99% of all COVID cases in the US are classified as 'mild'.
I think it is helpful to bear in mind that, on average, 1700 persons die in Italy every day; and that yesterday 475 died from COVID there.
Here are some eye opening graphs about the deaths in the US from that site. When do you think that death rate is is going to peak or even start to slow down?
I have been tracking it with my own spreadsheet, with the data from the JHU site for about a week. The US number has not moved much, although a bit downward.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
You won't see the USA number really move until time and testing ramp up. Why not use the Worldmeter site? That curve was flat for 6 weeks.
That's just # of deaths/day, not %'s. No denominator.
In the worldmeter chart?
No. In YA's chart. The one posted in the quote (which I appreciate & find informative).
Total Deaths is the critical indicator to me when gauging community spread.
We are up to 164/11340 or so. I am hoping we trend down to below 1%. That would be a good outcome compared to others. The lower the better. Hopefully we control the spread and rely on our superior healthcare capabilities to push that number down. Not overwhelming the system is key.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:33 pm
by DocBarrister
At least 10,755 confirmed cases in the U.S., and we haven’t even hit noon on the West Coast.
The next three weeks are already largely “locked in” with respect to hospitalizations and deaths. Hopefully, mid-April will bring us some better statistics.
And we still don’t have the widespread testing capability that we need.
By the way, Gov. Cuomo really needs to lockdown NYC. It’s crazy that he hasn’t done so already.
DocBarrister
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:37 pm
by old salt
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:20 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:00 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:58 am
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:25 am
“No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States,” said WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris. “This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity.”
Salty we can make that case over and over but will get nowhere.
Google "Trump refuses WHO Coronavirus Test"—I stopped 6 pages in—stories from every media outlet All confirming the lie.
Same with the claim Trump fired the only person at the White House that could've stopped/managed/understood the coronavirus epidemic.
They print the lie. Reprint the lie. Then amplify the lie across all platforms. In most cases using the same vocabulary.
Then will get a media run poll that says a majority of Americans believe the lie.
I thought Admiral Giroir just a couple days ago said he enquired of the WHO about their test. Harris is correct as to what is SOP. You want to do something besides SOP, the administration has to do something to make that happen. They did not. This is not news.
I posted Adm Giroir's exact words from the presser. I say again :
When I became involved in the testing world, I called as many senior officials at the WHO that I could find, to understand what the situation was. Aas far as I can tell, from sources that should know, no one ever offered a test that we refused. This is a research grade test that was not approved, not submitted to the FDA, that was supplied in tens of thousands in quantity, to a hundred countries in the world. There's a lot being said about this based on rumor & myth. Nothing was offered that we refused. It was a research test that was not approved. It was a small amount that we have greatly surpassed in a short amount of time.
It tracks with the Politifact finding.
Yup, and in accordance with CDC and FDA process. Nonetheless, I don't believe that the CDC, FDA, NIH, industry consultants and Giroir were not all aware of what the possibility was. We could have had it, scaled up on that test if we had chosen to. Doing so would have required someone in the administration thinking doing so made sense and directed that it be done. I don't believe for a second the CDC and/or NIH folks didn't raise a flag on this, making it known higher up, what the possibilities were. Even Giroir could have raised the flag, but doesn't say he did. The administration made a decision not to do it, either explicitly or pocket veto. Frankly I found Giror's account at the time to be judicially chosen and then no follow up question answered.
Biden pulled a Trump. Bad Biden.
The CDC followed normal protocol, just like other 1st world nations.
They took the WHO data & made their own test kits.
They had a technical glitz which caused a delay to correct, all as reported.
WHO lists seven different approaches — including that of China, the United States, Japan, Hong Kong, Thailand, France and Germany — each one targeting different parts of the COVID-19 genetic profile.
The German one became the approach WHO circulated as its preferred model.
Aid groups, such as the Pan American Health Organization, took that model and built their training and supplies around it. If the model was like the recipe in a cookbook, the supplies were the ingredients in a home meal kit from Blue Apron.
Any country could use whatever recipe it preferred, and even if the United States had picked the WHO’s protocol, it wouldn’t need the WHO to sell it the materials to follow it.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:39 pm
by DocBarrister
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:32 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:47 am
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:17 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:04 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:58 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:51 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:37 am
I think it is helpful to bear in mind that, on average, 7,500 persons die in the United States every day; and that 99% of all COVID cases in the US are classified as 'mild'.
I think it is helpful to bear in mind that, on average, 1700 persons die in Italy every day; and that yesterday 475 died from COVID there.
Here are some eye opening graphs about the deaths in the US from that site. When do you think that death rate is is going to peak or even start to slow down?
I have been tracking it with my own spreadsheet, with the data from the JHU site for about a week. The US number has not moved much, although a bit downward.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
You won't see the USA number really move until time and testing ramp up. Why not use the Worldmeter site? That curve was flat for 6 weeks.
That's just # of deaths/day, not %'s. No denominator.
In the worldmeter chart?
No. In YA's chart. The one posted in the quote (which I appreciate & find informative).
Total Deaths is the critical indicator to me when gauging community spread.
We are up to 164/11340 or so. I am hoping we trend down to below 1%. That would be a good outcome compared to others. The lower the better. Hopefully we control the spread and rely on our superior healthcare capabilities to push that number down. Not overwhelming the system is key.
The mortality rate can climb if we don’t “flatten the curve” by slowing down coronavirus transmission.
I’m very concerned that we are already the “Next Italy”, but on a much larger scale.
DocBarrister
