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Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:13 am
by RedFromMI
CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:11 am
THEY KNEW!
Intelligence Chairman Raised Virus Alarms Weeks Ago, Secret Recording Shows
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/81819253 ... n-covid-19
On Feb. 27, when the United States had 15 confirmed cases of COVID-19, President Trump was tamping down fears and suggesting the virus could be seasonal.
"It's going to disappear. One day, It's like a miracle. It will disappear," the president said then, before adding, "it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We'll see what happens."
On that same day, Burr attended a luncheon held at a social club called the Capitol Hill Club. And he delivered a much more alarming message.
"There's one thing that I can tell you about this: It is much more aggressive in its transmission than anything that we have seen in recent history," he said, according to a secret recording of the remarks obtained by NPR. "It is probably more akin to the 1918 pandemic."
Stephanie Ruhle (MSNBC and formerly worked on Wall Street) on Twitter:
WOW - I’d like to know if any of those attendees went short the market
.
(pointing at tweet about the recording...)
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:14 am
by foreverlax
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:02 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:51 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:37 am
I think it is helpful to bear in mind that, on average, 7,500 persons die in the United States every day; and that 99% of all COVID cases in the US are classified as 'mild'.
I think it is helpful to bear in mind that, on average, 1700 persons die in Italy every day; and that yesterday 475 died from COVID there.
Here are some eye opening graphs about the deaths in the US. When do you think that death rate is is going to peak or even start to slow down?
You have a fair point, but my reading of this virus is Italy has a unique situation on its hands, an older/heavy/out-of-shape smoking population.
Hardy unique...10's of millions of Americans fit that high risk description.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:15 am
by RedFromMI
Ron DeSantis (gov of FL) partially shutting down spring break on beaches (probably too little too late):
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/gov-ron-des ... y-is-over/
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:17 am
by old salt
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:04 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:58 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:51 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:37 am
I think it is helpful to bear in mind that, on average, 7,500 persons die in the United States every day; and that 99% of all COVID cases in the US are classified as 'mild'.
I think it is helpful to bear in mind that, on average, 1700 persons die in Italy every day; and that yesterday 475 died from COVID there.
Here are some eye opening graphs about the deaths in the US from that site. When do you think that death rate is is going to peak or even start to slow down?
I have been tracking it with my own spreadsheet, with the data from the JHU site for about a week. The US number has not moved much, although a bit downward.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
You won't see the USA number really move until time and testing ramp up. Why not use the Worldmeter site? That curve was flat for 6 weeks.
That's just # of deaths/day, not %'s. No denominator.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:19 am
by jhu72
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:58 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:51 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:37 am
I think it is helpful to bear in mind that, on average, 7,500 persons die in the United States every day; and that 99% of all COVID cases in the US are classified as 'mild'.
I think it is helpful to bear in mind that, on average, 1700 persons die in Italy every day; and that yesterday 475 died from COVID there.
Here are some eye opening graphs about the deaths in the US from that site. When do you think that death rate is is going to peak or even start to slow down?
I have been tracking it with my own spreadsheet, with the data from the JHU site for about a week. The US number has not moved much, although a bit downward.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
I commend the effort. I would suggest that you might want to take the difference between daily totals to see the daily delta. The delta is what should scar people -- especially the number of deaths. Given the fact that our testing has been so poor up to now, the best measure of what is going on is the death number deltas, even thought the numbers are small at this time.
For instance, the most recent death delta is 30 deaths. That shocked me when I saw it. Expect bigger delta over the next 24 hours. If not, that is really good. The 1.6 rate could very well stay the same, but the delta is where the story is told.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:25 am
by 6ftstick
Promising?
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/03/19 ... rus-898988
azithromycin in combo with hydroxychloroquine 100% cure rate in 6 days
Two readily available abundant drugs already in use and safe for humans.
Plus hydroxychloroquine is a preventative.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:27 am
by jhu72
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:17 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:04 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:58 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:51 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:37 am
I think it is helpful to bear in mind that, on average, 7,500 persons die in the United States every day; and that 99% of all COVID cases in the US are classified as 'mild'.
I think it is helpful to bear in mind that, on average, 1700 persons die in Italy every day; and that yesterday 475 died from COVID there.
Here are some eye opening graphs about the deaths in the US from that site. When do you think that death rate is is going to peak or even start to slow down?
I have been tracking it with my own spreadsheet, with the data from the JHU site for about a week. The US number has not moved much, although a bit downward.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
You won't see the USA number really move until time and testing ramp up. Why not use the Worldmeter site? That curve was flat for 6 weeks.
That's just # of deaths/day, not %'s. No denominator.
He is showing the right way to measure the growth of the epidemic.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:32 am
by RedFromMI
Quite a small sample (just
6 patients with the combo in a non-randomized study), but it is promising. The small sample size means the cure rate could actually be quite a bit different than 100%.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:33 am
by jhu72
This was originally discovered in France. YA reported this yesterday. The Fox News folks are getting happy feet. A very short trial with very few people and the number is not 100%. It is promising as indicated yesterday.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:34 am
by Peter Brown
Please, no positive commentary here. We are trying to destroy Trump!
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:35 am
by 6ftstick
In addition
Hospitalization rate used to be 16% then slowly dropped to 6% yesterday.
5% today.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:36 am
by jhu72
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:34 am
Please, no positive commentary here. We are trying to destroy Trump!
Yea, lets pump up people with lies so we can let them down later.
Read the study abstract.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:37 am
by RedFromMI
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:35 am
In addition
Hospitalization rate used to be 16% then slowly dropped to 6% yesterday.
5% today.
Don't know where you got that number - my Twitter feed this morning: 19%
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:39 am
by jhu72
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:35 am
In addition
Hospitalization rate used to be 16% then slowly dropped to 6% yesterday.
5% today.
Where did you get this? Whose hospitalization rate?
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:40 am
by 6ftstick
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:37 am
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:35 am
In addition
Hospitalization rate used to be 16% then slowly dropped to 6% yesterday.
5% today.
Don't know where you got that number - my Twitter feed this morning: 19%
Just heard it—radio maybe I heard it wrong
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:41 am
by 6ftstick
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:33 am
This was originally discovered in France. YA reported this yesterday.
The Fox News folks are getting happy feet. A very short trial with very few people and the number is not 100%. It is promising as indicated yesterday.
Speaks for itself.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:42 am
by RedFromMI
A Cascade of Warnings, Heard but Unheeded, Before Virus Outbreak
Government exercises, including one last year, made clear that the U.S. was not ready for a pandemic like the coronavirus. But little was done.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/p ... break.html
WASHINGTON — The outbreak of the respiratory virus began in China and was quickly spread around the world by air travelers, who ran high fevers. In the United States, it was first detected in Chicago, and 47 days later the World Health Organization declared a pandemic. By then it was too late: 110 million Americans were expected to become ill, leading to 7.7 million hospitalized and 586,000 dead.
That scenario, code-named “Crimson Contagion,’’ was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August.
The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.
The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge. State officials and local hospitals struggled to figure out what kind of equipment was stockpiled or available. Cities and states went their own way on school closings.
The US HHS ran a simulation and knew what might happen.
Extensive article, with lots of documentation. You should read this. They knew what might happen...
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:44 am
by youthathletics
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:34 am
Please, no positive commentary here. We are trying to destroy Trump!
+100 so true.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:45 am
by Typical Lax Dad
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:42 am
A Cascade of Warnings, Heard but Unheeded, Before Virus Outbreak
Government exercises, including one last year, made clear that the U.S. was not ready for a pandemic like the coronavirus. But little was done.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/p ... break.html
WASHINGTON — The outbreak of the respiratory virus began in China and was quickly spread around the world by air travelers, who ran high fevers. In the United States, it was first detected in Chicago, and 47 days later the World Health Organization declared a pandemic. By then it was too late: 110 million Americans were expected to become ill, leading to 7.7 million hospitalized and 586,000 dead.
That scenario, code-named “Crimson Contagion,’’ was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August.
The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.
The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge. State officials and local hospitals struggled to figure out what kind of equipment was stockpiled or available. Cities and states went their own way on school closings.
The US HHS ran a simulation and knew what might happen.
Extensive article, with lots of documentation. You should read this. They knew what might happen...
Failure of leadership
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:46 am
by jhu72
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:37 am
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:35 am
In addition
Hospitalization rate used to be 16% then slowly dropped to 6% yesterday.
5% today.
Don't know where you got that number - my Twitter feed this morning: 19%
Cuomo has been reporting 19% for a few days now. Of course you can see hospitalization rates drop. The uninformed would think that is good, when in fact it might just be fewer hospitalized because of space limitations. You know, like Italy.
