2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[HooDat]

More journos are starting to FINALLY understand what the heck is going on with Trump. The voter's logic may not be logical, but the outcome is real nonetheless.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/04/heres-w ... -mess.html

Millions of Americans who voted for Trump and still support him chose him precisely because he is nasty, breaks the rules, and shows little respect for the political establishment at every level.

To really be mad at Trump for asking foreign leaders to investigate Joe and Hunter Biden or Hillary Clinton, the voters need to believe that Clinton and the Bidens aren’t inherently corrupt. They must also believe that just about all the rules and established groups within American government, especially the intelligence community, deserve unquestioned respect.

Comedian Dennis Miller put it as succinctly as possible with a Facebook post Thursday where he simply wrote: “The simple fact is that if Trump was vaguely presidential he wouldn’t be President.”

those seeking to impeach and remove him don’t seem to understand that this push [for impeachment] is just as likely to help Trump

[a fan]

those seeking to impeach and remove him don’t seem to understand that this push [for impeachment] is just as likely to help Trump

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They absolutely understand that.

What's the other choice? You can't allow a President to go after political enemies using not just our intel services, but to rope in foreign governments.

This is absolutely likely to damage the Dems come next November.

[HooDat]

This is absolutely likely to damage the Dems come next November.

it is going to damage the Dems, it is going to damage establishment R's. It is going to damage everyone who makes a living off of the status quo of politics as usual.

Trump might just drain the swap by drinking it all up - right before our eyes. And in doing so gross out the voters SO MUCH that they start to actually vote like grown ups.....

[jhu72]

Nope - How does it help Trump -- it is going to mobilize his supporters more?? You are telling me that without impeachment these people were planning on staying home, not vote.

Impeachment is an absolute wash as far as Trump support is concerned. It is a requirement, no matter the outcome for the democratic base. Ask Nancy's email.

[HooDat]

I still say too many people are vastly underestimating the un-tapped voter base that has yet to hit the polls for Trump. This is particularly true in the swing states.

[jhu72]

I still say too many people are vastly underestimating the un-tapped voter base that has yet to hit the polls for Trump. This is particularly true in the swing states.

We'll see.

[a fan]

Trump might just drain the swap by drinking it all up - right before our eyes. And in doing so gross out the voters SO MUCH that they start to actually vote like grown ups.....

I think the much, much (much) more likely outcome is that the next person is WORSE.

Think of all the cr*p Trump has done that has gotten the thumbs up. We're not going to get a Kasich or a Webb or a Hickenlooper in this environment, if you ask me.

[Trinity]

Trump works for only Trump. Hearings will illustrate that. Pompeo, Pence and Barr work for only Trump. I’m will the late El BJ. Make em deny it.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Remember, most of the Trump-base are folks who feel slighted or insulted or compromised by the college educated liberal fools who cite English Common Law and scientific studies when telling these voters that they can't drain their sewage into the brook in their backyard.

These voters sit on their back patios and discuss their resentments of people who chose to go off to college. This choice exposes their young minds to the worldview of the broadly educated and now they want to set up laws to 'boost the economy' which require normal folks to work like a slave.
For wages that reflect that they're competing with southeast asian child and slave labor.
In a civilization that has cargo ships so efficient that we can ship logs to China for processing into wood-products and save money.

These people may well be equally wonderful as other people(Peter Brown), but they're tired of attempts to drag them into the 21st century.

Their nostalgic POV is threatened.

They don't want to evolve as fast as the cities. Cities are full of minorities shooting each other and crowds of desperate hurried people. In their minds, a functioning economy brings high paying low skill jobs to small towns.

So they sit in their small towns and grouse about the swamp in DC that sucks out money for no work and flies over their world, which extends from horizon to horizon.

Trump has found out how to seduce this worldview. Sadly, this demographic is 30-something percent of us American voters, and these guys are NEVER going to vote against him. His presumption that they'll fight for him to be the ruler in DC is correct.

[a fan]

Their nostalgic POV is threatened.

They don't want to evolve as fast as the cities. Cities are full of minorities shooting each other and crowds of desperate hurried people. In their minds, a functioning economy brings high paying low skill jobs to small towns.

So they sit in their small towns and grouse about the swamp in DC that sucks out money for no work and flies over their world, which extends from horizon to horizon.

The sad thing is, Bernie and AOC are their economic hope, and they don't want to hear that.

Socialism, Unions, and across the board protective tariffs are the only way to preserve their way of life. See: Europe.

They're lucky the GOP is full of it, and doesn't actually believe in small government and free markets.

Kill the Farm Bill and Medicare and expose them to more of the free market? Lights out. Immediate lights out in rural America. As it is now? Hanging by a thread.

For wages that reflect that they're competing with southeast asian child and slave labor.

This is your home run sentence. They don't understand that if tariffs and socialism are removed, your value as a worker is determined by the global free market. And there's plenty of humans out there who would gladly work for $100 a month.

[HooDat]

As it is now? Hanging by a thread.

3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:12 pm
For wages that reflect that they're competing with southeast asian child and slave labor.

This is your home run sentence. They don't understand that if tariffs and socialism are removed, your value as a worker is determined by the global free market. And there's plenty of humans out there who would gladly work for $100 a month.

....aaaaaand why we have Trump as our president. He's not fixing it for them - although in the long run the trade wars are intended to help protect Joe six-pack from having to compete with someone in a mud-hut under despotic rule.

The distance between Trump and Sanders is far less than the distance between them and Warren, Biden, Romney, Bush, and every "Fortune 100" company ceo out there.

[a fan]

although in the long run the trade wars are intended to help protect Joe six-pack from having to compete with someone in a mud-hut under despotic rule.

I wish that were true. It's not. Trump is all over the place and haphazard with who wins and loses. In order for your wishful thinking to be true, we need across the board, reasonable protective tariffs, coupled with massive union membership ala Germany. We're light years from that.

The distance between Trump and Sanders is far less than the distance between them and Warren, Biden, Romney, Bush, and every "Fortune 100" company ceo out there.

According to what Trump does? Yes.

According to what he says-----hitting socialism daily------he's as far away from Sanders as anyone else.

These people need an intervention. I'm not sure who could give it to them, and have them actually listen.

[HooDat]

According to what he says-----hitting socialism daily------he's as far away from Sanders as anyone else.

both sets of politicians are pushing the buttons that work for them. Both sets of supporters intuitively know they are getting shafted, and hear their candidate say the see it, see them and will go fight the bully on their behalf.

I don't for a minute believe that either one of them actually will - but I do think Bernie is more likely than Trump to happen to help his voters - at least in the short run.

The long term effects of a fully empowered Trump are different than those of a fully empowered Sanders.

Trump - exposed corruption through more corruption that (if you are an optimist) leads to more responsible voting. Although I recognize your earlier point that you wouldn't bet on it, and that we are apt to get worse before we get better. I just don't think the voters will go for 2 "Trumps". I am a dreamer of impossible dreams ......

Sanders - less corruption in the short run, but if Sanders really wants to drive to equal outcomes, history has shown that the end of that party is pretty gruesome.

[Typical Lax Dad]

As it is now? Hanging by a thread.

3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:12 pm
For wages that reflect that they're competing with southeast asian child and slave labor.

This is your home run sentence. They don't understand that if tariffs and socialism are removed, your value as a worker is determined by the global free market. And there's plenty of humans out there who would gladly work for $100 a month.

....aaaaaand why we have Trump as our president. He's not fixing it for them - although in the long run the trade wars are intended to help protect Joe six-pack from having to compete with someone in a mud-hut under despotic rule.

The distance between Trump and Sanders is far less than the distance between them and Warren, Biden, Romney, Bush, and every "Fortune 100" company ceo out there.

We have Trump’s because the Russian arm of his campaign was successful.

[a fan]

Sanders isn't driving to equal outcomes.

Every single 1st world nation besides America, has what Sanders is suggesting. Every single one of them.

If you told any EU member country that Sanders is far left, they'd laugh you out of their cafe.

I'm telling you----the longer we let the bottom half of Americans get the shaft, the more likely we are to get someone who is REALLY a lefty controlling both Houses and the White House. Then we'll be sorry we didn't make simple, obvious changes to our economy that helps America as a whole.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Sanders isn't driving to equal outcomes.

Every single 1st world nation besides America, has what Sanders is suggesting. Every single one of them.

If you told any EU member country that Sanders is far left, they'd laugh you out of their cafe.

I'm telling you----the longer we let the bottom half of Americans get the shaft, the more likely we are to get someone who is REALLY a lefty controlling both Houses and the White House. Then we'll be sorry we didn't make simple, obvious changes to our economy that helps America as a whole.

But, in my experience, it boils down more to 'owning the Libs' than anything else. Hatred for people who come into town with an 8 figure budget aiming to solve problems based on a college understanding of the area rises above all else.

"All we need is good honest jobs!!" is the instinctive response. But, let's be honest, I wouldn't place a restaurant there because there aren't 50k jobs and residents within 2 miles of anywhere, and no manufacturer would set up shop there because there aren't enough potential employees and transport routes and distribution corridors that fit in to supply chains.

These are Trump people. Abandoned by the safety net, ignored by the commerce cycle, and ignored by politicians who need to be responsive to dollars once elected.

So they thrive on lip service, and, as good and honest people, percolate resentments. Trump promises resolutions and hollers that he's won them victories even when he hasn't. But at least he seems to care. Better than any other 'elite' ever, right???

30 to 35% of our nation, folks. That's the quantity of people so diminished that they buy into his cult. This is a YYUUGGEE!! failure of our society to let this many people fall through the cracks with either noticing or caring.

If we don't fix it, the next guy they elect will be as venal as Trump, but competent. Mark my words.

[Farfromgeneva]

Wait until we get a Gloria Allred/Al sharpton White House. That’ll be fun too. Sean Penn as Secretary of State and Alec Baldwin running DOD. It’s the logical conclusion to this show of feces.

I still don’t buy Europe as the model. Maybe steal a couple of pieces from them but otherwise think folks are overrating their health, prosperity and happiness of the masses across Europe by a fair bit. Even if I love a lot of their philosophy, literature and 1980s new wave music.

[a fan]

But, let's be honest, I wouldn't place a restaurant there because there aren't 50k jobs and residents within 2 miles of anywhere, and no manufacturer would set up shop there because there aren't enough potential employees and transport routes and distribution corridors that fit in to supply chains.

Same goes for hospitals. Sense a problem?

They don't want to hear this.

Got two choices. More socialism. Move to large cities. Pick one.

Because the free market says: F you.

[ggait]

I still don’t buy Europe as the model.

The Euros seem to mostly like what they have. If you are only going to make the median family income, I don't think you'd pick the U.S. model to live in. Median family income is $56k annually here in the U.S. To me that's poor, not middle class. Can't afford $500 to fix the car.

My blue collar HS-educated father never made the median income, but he was middle class. He basically had what the current Euros have -- strong unions, guaranteed pension, govt backed mortgage from the GI Bill, close to guaranteed lifelong employment, lifelong free healthcare from the govt and his post-retirement union job benefits, close to free college for his kids. He didn't have to fund his own 529 or his own 401k.

Basically, my dad lived in a workers paradise better than anything Karl Marx ever imagined. Which was 1950s America under Comrade Ike. Today Ike would be far left of AOC. And my dad (were he still alive), today would be a Trumpster (having previously been a Reagan Democrat). But he'd be better off feeling the Bern.

Of course, even Bernie can't bring back my dad's life -- today's world is too flat for that.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I still don’t buy Europe as the model.

The Euros seem to mostly like what they have. If you are only going to make the median family income, I don't think you'd pick the U.S. model to live in. Median family income is $56k annually here in the U.S. To me that's poor, not middle class. Can't afford $500 to fix the car.

My blue collar HS-educated father never made the median income, but he was middle class. He basically had what the current Euros have -- strong unions, guaranteed pension, govt backed mortgage from the GI Bill, close to guaranteed lifelong employment, lifelong free healthcare from the govt and his post-retirement union job benefits, close to free college for his kids. He didn't have to fund his own 529 or his own 401k.

Basically, my dad lived in a workers paradise better than anything Karl Marx ever imagined. Which was 1950s America under Comrade Ike. Today Ike would be far left of AOC. And my dad (were he still alive), today would be a Trumpster (having previously been a Reagan Democrat). But he'd be better off feeling the Bern.

Of course, even Bernie can't bring back my dad's life -- today's world is too flat for that.

Sounds like my neighborhood....