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PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:42 pm Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:42 pm Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:00 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:42 pm Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:05 pm

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:00 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:42 pm Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:20 pm So did this Michigan high school murderer feel "threatened" (ala "hero" Rittenhouse) at school and felt justified shooting up his school and murdering four classmates? He has plead "not guilty"... He's being tried as a adult. He posted online the night before about killing people. Premeditate much? Will the parents be indicted/ Should they be?

Mandatory life in prison with no parole? Sounds about right. What a tragedy.

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dislaxxic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:20 pm So did this Michigan high school murderer feel "threatened" (ala "hero" Rittenhouse) at school and felt justified shooting up his school and murdering four classmates? He has plead "not guilty"... He's being tried as a adult. He posted online the night before about killing people. Premeditate much? Will the parents be indicted/ Should they be?

Mandatory life in prison with no parole? Sounds about right. What a tragedy.

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seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:03 pm "If you have ever witnessed the bullying that goes in school...you'd certainly understand how it could escalate to this."

Care to tell us all what level of bullying or specific acts of bullying would make me "understand" this? School is a hard ride; there are at least a couple of alternatives to picking up Dad's loaded weapon, popping it in the pack next to the social studies book, and shooting your peers. Can we not admit that the country has a gun-availability sickness? Do Republicans really just not care enough in the end to do anything about this issue?

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:54 pm

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:20 pm So did this Michigan high school murderer feel "threatened" (ala "hero" Rittenhouse) at school and felt justified shooting up his school and murdering four classmates? He has plead "not guilty"... He's being tried as a adult. He posted online the night before about killing people. Premeditate much? Will the parents be indicted/ Should they be?

Mandatory life in prison with no parole? Sounds about right. What a tragedy.

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We may never know. If you have ever witnessed the bullying that goes in school...you'd certainly understand how it could escalate to this. I've seen and spoken to kids that I have coached that have shared instances of it going on in schools...most of them we never hear about. My son, stepped in between one of these kids that was being bullied (the kid also has some issues) to put an end to it and they became great friends. And sadly, that damned kid, broke in to our house while we were away to play on our xbox and eat our food......because his home life is also a train wreck.

I suppose my point, as I started off saying....we may never know. I'd be curious to know if there are records of incidents that took place in the school system between this young man and any of those shot.

What a tragedy is absolutely right.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:11 pm

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:03 pm "If you have ever witnessed the bullying that goes in school...you'd certainly understand how it could escalate to this."

Care to tell us all what level of bullying or specific acts of bullying would make me "understand" this? School is a hard ride; there are at least a couple of alternatives to picking up Dad's loaded weapon, popping it in the pack next to the social studies book, and shooting your peers. Can we not admit that the country has a gun-availability sickness? Do Republicans really just not care enough in the end to do anything about this issue?

Put yourself in the shoes of a 15 year old.....not a man his 50's: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/loca ... 79e914bf54

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:13 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:11 pm

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:03 pm "If you have ever witnessed the bullying that goes in school...you'd certainly understand how it could escalate to this."

Care to tell us all what level of bullying or specific acts of bullying would make me "understand" this? School is a hard ride; there are at least a couple of alternatives to picking up Dad's loaded weapon, popping it in the pack next to the social studies book, and shooting your peers. Can we not admit that the country has a gun-availability sickness? Do Republicans really just not care enough in the end to do anything about this issue?

Put yourself in the shoes of a 15 year old.....not a man his 50's: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/loca ... 79e914bf54

Just so I understand, are you saying that the kid subjected to the bathroom incident in Maryland could justifiably go home, get the gun, come back to school and shoot the perps?

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:14 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:05 pm

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:00 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:42 pm Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:14 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:05 pm

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:00 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:42 pm Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:19 pm

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:14 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:05 pm

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:00 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:42 pm Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

You know anyone that used a gun to kill someone in self defense?

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:14 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:19 pm

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:14 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:05 pm

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:00 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:42 pm Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

You know anyone that used a gun to kill someone in self defense?

Kyle?

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:14 pm

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:14 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:05 pm

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:00 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:42 pm Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

I prefer a large “sharp” for up close and personal “wet work”. Doesn’t pass through walls and doors like a projectile. Quieter as well.

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:14 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:05 pm

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:00 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:42 pm Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:14 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:19 pm

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:14 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:05 pm

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:00 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:42 pm Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

You know anyone that used a gun to kill someone in self defense?

Kyle?