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I do realize some folks have earnest concern for the environment (I do) and truly believe we are on the precipice of extinction (I don't). I would argue that in fact, we are going the exact other way and you can thank man's eternally optimistic ingenuity to keep advancing and making sure each successive generation has a better life than the one before.

I like AOC's attention on our prison industrial complex, but on GW/CC, she comes off as nothing less than insane if not sneaky in her persistent attacks on capitalism (I cautioned some on here yesterday that when you play around with some of these folks on matters which seem innoculous, be very careful because often there is a much more pernicious goal in mind).

This video and article is disturbing, and evidences either shameless pandering/grifting, a sneka attack on capitalism as evidenced by her own words, or she is truly not of sound mind.


https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/alexand ... 32142.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ate-crisis

holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:10 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:31 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:17 pm Russian Scientists observe increasing methane levels in the arctic. Up to 4 times greater than previously observed.

I guess we need to ban methane and oceans and the earths mantle?

You completely missed the point. The melting permafrost is releasing all this. If we weren't contributing to all that melting, it would have stayed sequestered.

It's interesting seeing how simple things get so misrepresented and distorted by deniers to fit their narrative that "these are all 100% natural caused events".

Its pretty bad news actually. With CO2 being at a little more than 400 ppm, this Russian observation is essentially saying that they have observed an additional ~300 ppm of CO2 "equivalent" in these local areas (CH4 is 25 times more effective a greenhouse gas as CO2). No reason to not expect this to be the case all across the arctic within the next few decades.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:12 am I do realize some folks have earnest concern for the environment (I do) and truly believe we are on the precipice of extinction (I don't). I would argue that in fact, we are going the exact other way and you can thank man's eternally optimistic ingenuity to keep advancing and making sure each successive generation has a better life than the one before.

I like AOC's attention on our prison industrial complex, but on GW/CC, she comes off as nothing less than insane if not sneaky in her persistent attacks on capitalism (I cautioned some on here yesterday that when you play around with some of these folks on matters which seem innoculous, be very careful because often there is a much more pernicious goal in mind).

This video and article is disturbing, and evidences either shameless pandering/grifting, a sneka attack on capitalism as evidenced by her own words, or she is truly not of sound mind.


https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/alexand ... 32142.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ate-crisis

You're buying into the AOC hysteria. She's a freshman democratic-socialist with little influence who is further left than most D's out there, so yes she'll be attacking some parts of capitalism, that is her belief and her right as an American. I don't support a lot of her views, but she's been placed under a magnifying glass by the right the media is noticing that. You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill with her.

As far as extinction, you do realize there is a mass extinction event going on right now?

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:42 am

holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:10 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:31 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:17 pm Russian Scientists observe increasing methane levels in the arctic. Up to 4 times greater than previously observed.

I guess we need to ban methane and oceans and the earths mantle?

You completely missed the point. The melting permafrost is releasing all this. If we weren't contributing to all that melting, it would have stayed sequestered.

It's interesting seeing how simple things get so misrepresented and distorted by deniers to fit their narrative that "these are all 100% natural caused events".

Its pretty bad news actually. With CO2 being at a little more than 400 ppm, this Russian observation is essentially saying that they have observed an additional ~300 ppm of CO2 "equivalent" in these local areas (CH4 is 25 times more effective a greenhouse gas as CO2). No reason to not expect this to be the case all across the arctic within the next few decades.

It's quite a good thing our earth is now greener than it has been in recent decades....and with the growth and legality of 'weed' which eats co2 like its going out of style, we can all at least get high and not realize we are all gonna die from excessive heat.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/20 ... e-throughs RIP... the drive thru restaurant lane. The environmental freak show circus will stop at nothing. The other day it was Charmin toilet paper. Who let these freaks out of their cages and gave them a voice? Correct that... they have a right to their opinion... why in the world would any sane person pay attention to these people? The drive thru lanes at McDonalds are the newest threat to the planet. You folks wonder out there why IMO you are a bunch of collective blithering idiots.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:44 pm https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/20 ... e-throughs RIP... the drive thru restaurant lane. The environmental freak show circus will stop at nothing. The other day it was Charmin toilet paper. Who let these freaks out of their cages and gave them a voice? Correct that... they have a right to their opinion... why in the world would any sane person pay attention to these people? The drive thru lanes at McDonalds are the newest threat to the planet. You folks wonder out there why IMO you are a bunch of collective blithering idiots.

I guess all the 18-wheeler truckers that let their diesels idle all night while they sleep will be next.

The article is actually a whole lot more about obesity than emissions.
It also says it's essentially all nothing but a big crock.
Nothing to get excited about.

Going offshore to fish has been sad.I see a whole bunch more detritus and plastic floating around.This is not in and of itself an environmental issue. Rather it's a human,I don't "givva" issue.

If unabated,this flagrant disregard for the Ocean, may have a enormous effect on the climate And the environment, long term.

It's awful and that kind of thing concerns me much more than whether or not global warming is real. It's not going to much matter how warm or cold the planet is after we completely phuk the whole place up. We use wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much plastic and could cut back on it bigly if we wanted to but we won't. Too much money in plastic to be concerned about Mother Earth.
What did you catch?

Sounds like he caught a "six-pack yoke". Garbage fish.

Did anybody here live through the gas crisis of 1973 and 1979? You would have thought the nation would have been jolted into finding alternatives to petroleum with the same vigor as getting to the moon. But noooooo. Too much money and influence to allow that to happen when you have a chance to embolden the bad guys, which is what most petroleum producers were, so the profits could keep rolling in.

‘73 was bad, but ‘79 was brutal because I was now living in Los Angeles. In CA they enacted a odd/even date for gas purchase based on last digit of license plate. Gas is in high demand in the Golden State. I recall parking my car in the early evening in a line at the gas station to get gas the next morning. Not fun. On another occasion I rode with a teammate from Westwood to Encinitas, CA to play San Dieguito LC in his 1963 Chevrolet Impala SS with 4 barrel carb. It was touch and go whether we’d make it back and it was the wrong day to purchase.

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:05 pm It's awful and that kind of thing concerns me much more than whether or not global warming is real. It's not going to much matter how warm or cold the planet is after we completely phuk the whole place up. We use wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much plastic and could cut back on it bigly if we wanted to but we won't. Too much money in plastic to be concerned about Mother Earth.
What did you catch?

Last weekend,35 mas o menos, Poland Spring/Nestle etc. empties, a ball of used fluorocarbon leader material and a lobster buoy.

Finnish scientist say otherwise. https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-07-12- ... cover.html

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:23 pm Finnish scientist say otherwise. https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-07-12- ... cover.html

Not so fast:

Non-peer-reviewed manuscript falsely claims natural cloud changes can explain global warming

https://climatefeedback.org/claimreview ... l-warming/

Flawed Reasoning: The authors' argument claims a correlation between cloud cover/relative humidity and global temperature proves that the former caused the latter without investigating whether they have the relationship backwards.

Inadequate support: The source of their claimed global cloud dataset is not given, and no research on their proposed mechanism for climate change is cited.

Fails to provide correct physical explanation: The manuscript incorrectly claims that the rise of atmospheric carbon dioxide is caused by release from ocean waters. It also provides no explanation for the claim that an increase in relative humidity causes global cooling.

KEY TAKE AWAY

Warming related to human activities is estimated to be around 1°C over the past century. This document claims to overturn decades of scientific findings but provides neither the source of the data it uses nor the physics responsible for the proposed relationship between clouds and global temperature.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:23 pm Finnish scientist say otherwise. https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-07-12- ... cover.html

Any peer reviewed confirmations to back up the unsubstantiated blog opinion piece?

holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:50 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:23 pm Finnish scientist say otherwise. https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-07-12- ... cover.html

Any peer reviewed confirmations to back up the unsubstantiated blog opinion piece?

That is a nonsense statement. The fact the paper has not passed peer review in any journal, let alone a respected one is enough to treat it as speculation. The fact that datasets are not specified make this a laughable paper and any journal with professional integrity would turn it down.

If you actually read the “blog” article as a scientist would, it becomes quite easy to see why everyone should discount this effort. But you just want to be a troll.

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:03 pm

holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:50 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:23 pm Finnish scientist say otherwise. https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-07-12- ... cover.html

Any peer reviewed confirmations to back up the unsubstantiated blog opinion piece?

That is a nonsense statement. The fact the paper has not passed peer review in any journal, let alone a respected one is enough to treat it as speculation. The fact that datasets are not specified make this a laughable paper and any journal with professional integrity would turn it down.

If you actually read the “blog” article as a scientist would, it becomes quite easy to see why everyone should discount this effort. But you just want to be a troll.

I think you're putting too much effort into your response to my statement. I'm clearly not supporting this puff piece in any way.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, that's my science & engineering background (plus bourbon) coming through.

holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:50 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:23 pm Finnish scientist say otherwise. https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-07-12- ... cover.html

Any peer reviewed confirmations to back up the unsubstantiated blog opinion piece?

Fairy dust, magnetic fields and Russian oil money.

Interesting (revealing?) that GW/CC came up not even once at last night's debate.

Tom Steyer tried. It’s been his main issue for a decade.