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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 9:07 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 4:11 pm What do you make of BHO’s comment here? https://x.com/larryoconnor/status/17208 ... a82I2GssRg

That he's one of the too rare few who speak compassionately, with moral clarity AND with intellectual honesty about the complexity of the challenge he's discussing.

I agree, BUT, at what point will someone with some weight, like BHO, suggest or recommend more than rhetoric?

It’s just more talking, and emboldening the fight from each side? Or is he taking the stance that it’s not our fight? It was only 10 years ago at the Clinton Global initiative where that same talk surmounted in no change.

How about doing something, and he is in a position to do so. Are you okay with this? https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1720962 ... a82I2GssRg

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:04 am Speaking of Bill Maher and the nonsense of Western Civ.... : https://x.com/LarryOConnor/status/17208 ... 93465?s=20

I think he is speaking to people like MDlax, and not intended as a jab.

...way to go Bill, channeling VDH. Long live Western Civ.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 9:53 pm How about doing something, and he is in a position to do so. Are you okay with this? https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1720962 ... a82I2GssRg

Why hasn't Biden called out the DC National Guard ?

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:17 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:04 am Speaking of Bill Maher and the nonsense of Western Civ.... : https://x.com/LarryOConnor/status/17208 ... 93465?s=20

I think he is speaking to people like MDlax, and not intended as a jab.

...way to go Bill, channeling VDH. Long live Western Civ.

Tells me Bill mailed it in at Cornell in the 70's, or is too stoned to remember those days. The second Women's studies program in the US was established at Cornell BEFORE Bill arrived. Cornell is the freaking BIRTHPLACE for African American Studies at an elite University.....1970.

The lefties in Bill's college days (mid-late 70's) were 100 times more radical than they are now. But I think it's cute he thinks schools are radical now. When was the last bomb that went off in a University, Bill?


And Bill is channelling Hutchins and Adler, OS. VDH can't carry the water for Hutchins....a weak imitation who instead of getting off his *ss to actually help working class Americans access the ideas of the Great Books of Wester Civ, VDH took his Commie State Government University job, and parlayed it into rightwing clickbait.

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:43 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:17 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:04 am Speaking of Bill Maher and the nonsense of Western Civ.... : https://x.com/LarryOConnor/status/17208 ... 93465?s=20

I think he is speaking to people like MDlax, and not intended as a jab.

...way to go Bill, channeling VDH. Long live Western Civ.

Tells me Bill mailed it in at Cornell in the 70's, or is too stoned to remember those days. The second Women's studies program in the US was established at Cornell BEFORE Bill arrived. Cornell is the freaking BIRTHPLACE for African American Studies at an elite University.....1970.

The lefties in Bill's college days (mid-late 70's) were 100 times more radical than they are now. But I think it's cute he thinks schools are radical now. When was the last bomb that went off in a University, Bill?

And Bill is channelling Hutchins and Adler, OS. VDH can't carry the water for Hutchins....a weak imitation who instead of getting off his *ss to actually help working class Americans access the ideas of the Great Books of Wester Civ, VDH took his Commie State Government University job, and parlayed it into rightwing clickbait.

We are witnessing the legacy those college student "activists" of the '70's gave us as they became faculty members & administrators.
Today's student protesters aren't making bombs because they're not being drafted & sent off to war. They have no skin in this game.
They're victims by proxy. It's fashionable to protest. A fad.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 9:53 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 9:07 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 4:11 pm What do you make of BHO’s comment here? https://x.com/larryoconnor/status/17208 ... a82I2GssRg

That he's one of the too rare few who speak compassionately, with moral clarity AND with intellectual honesty about the complexity of the challenge he's discussing.

I agree, BUT, at what point will someone with some weight, like BHO, suggest or recommend more than rhetoric?

It’s just more talking, and emboldening the fight from each side? Or is he taking the stance that it’s not our fight? It was only 10 years ago at the Clinton Global initiative where that same talk surmounted in no change.

How about doing something, and he is in a position to do so. Are you okay with this? https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1720962 ... a82I2GssRg

Of course I’m not “okay with this”.

Whether we like it or not, this problem is ‘our problem’, unavoidably.

Indeed, I’d suggest that it is the sweeping the problem under the rug that leads to or at least enables further cycles of violence.

Obama is saying that avoiding the “complexity’ only exacerbates the problem. I appreciate his self reflection, self criticism as well. That too is too rare.

I don’t know what can be realistically achieved in the wake of this catastrophic set of events, but I like what Blinken is communicating publicly, and presumably privately. It’s very consistent with Biden’s posture, yet pushing forward the imperative that there needs to be a two state resolution.

Will this trauma lead to opportunity or just more violence, even much worse regional or even global violence?

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:33 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:04 am

Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:05 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:52 am

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:47 am

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/ ... -the-west/

Anti-Israel Demonstrators Hate the West

By RICH LOWRY, October 27, 2023

The cataract of anti-Israel sentiment on college campuses has been shocking, but it shouldn’t be surprising.

It is the poisoned fruit of teaching a generation of college students to despise their own civilization.

Jesse Jackson famously led a chant at Stanford University in 1987, “Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go.” He was talking about the college course, but he might as well have been talking about the thing itself.

Jackson and his allies had extraordinary success in extinguishing the teaching of Western Civ. Not only have we largely stopped transmitting the story of our own civilization, we have substituted an alternative narrative that the West is reducible to racism, imperialism, and colonialism.

It is in this context that the current outburst of anti-Zionism has to be understood. Yes, it has been fed by anti-Israel agitation on campus over the decades, and yes, students are susceptible to witless radicalism in the best of circumstances. Yet the loathing of Israel is particularly intense because it is viewed as an outpost of Western civilization and all its alleged ills.

The hatred of Israel is tainted by, and in some cases driven by, antisemitism. Another way to look at it, though, is that it’s not so much about hatred of “the other,” as progressives put it, as hatred of ourselves and all our works.

It is, on one level, incorrect to consider Israel exclusively an artifact of the West. The Jews are indigenous to the region going back to Abraham, with their story caught up in the story of the land. A large proportion of the current population traces its origins from the Middle East and North Africa rather than Europe.

But there is no doubt that Israel is a Western society — in its political system, in its respect for rights, in its innovative economy, in its mores. Someone sitting in a coffee shop in Tel Aviv could easily think they were in any thriving coastal society in the West.

From any rational perspective, this would be something to celebrate. Many legitimate criticisms can be made of Israel, and indeed are a feature of the Israeli domestic debate itself, but there’s no doubt that it is a flourishing society.

If Gaza were equally Westernized, it would be worrying about whether it’s overbuilding seaside real estate rather than having to get water and electricity from the neighboring country its governing authority — a savage terror group — is trying to destroy.

Yet this is the society that anti-Western opinion holds up and wants to sweep all before it. This point of view loves Gaza for its failure and hates Israel for its success; loves Gaza for its terror and hates Israel for its self-defense; loves Gaza for its vicious anti-Western sponsors and hates Israel for its Western allies, especially the United States.

If this seems perverse, it’s what you’d expect of students and young people who have absorbed the premises of Michel Foucault, Howard Zinn, Edward Said, and their imitators. Even if students have never heard of them, these men and their thought suffuse higher education.

But what about the violence? How can these kids look past it, or implicitly endorse it?

Violence is part of the radical anti-Western vision. The anti-colonial bible, The Wretched of the Earth, written by Frantz Fanon in 1961, is widely taught on campus. Fanon sketched out a woke worldview before anyone used that term, arguing that, as a New Yorker essay put it, “the Western bourgeoisie was ‘fundamentally racist’ and its ‘bourgeois ideology’ of equality and dignity was merely a cover for capitalist-imperialist rapacity.”

Fanon wrote that “decolonization is always a violent phenomenon,” and in a preface to the book, the French philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre declared that the wretched of the earth “become men” through “mad fury.”

By this standard, Hamas is a good and worthy anti-colonial organization, and there’s no wonder it has found supporters and useful idiots among the West’s self-loathing radicals.

This is an almost laughably simplistic screed about a constituency that resists nuance and balance, which is acquired, history and our own lives tell us, over the course of time and experience. College campuses aren't -- when we are talking generally about the student population -- about deep thoughts; we are talking about drama, fitting in, learning and experimenting, etc. But suggesting that a bunch of fracas on campus translates directly into, or is the result of, "the radical anti-Western vision" is just stupid. But you seem to like adults who traffic in this sort of black and white "journalism" and opinion.

None of us should shed a tear for a dead Hamas fighter or leader. We can rejoice it. But the situation on the ground -- murdered Israeli citizens, and displaced and dead Gazan Palestinians, with likely more of both to come -- is itself the result of decades and decades of stupidity and venality. It's complicated. So it is little wonder that college students are not yet well equipped to process it, digest, assimilate and synthesize all of the varied threads that go into and resulted in today. Indicting whole institutions because of these young people's reactions is just f*cking stupid.

Why not write about something obvious but important. If there was a military solution to this, we would have had this solved long ago. Through little fault of their own, Palestinians are stuck living among a leadership that knows nothing other than war, nothing other than the credo of death. Israelis have the right to peace, prosperity and safety. The answer is building rather than blasting. Israel will not be able to neutralize the threat, within the confines of military doctrine. They can reduce supplies; eliminate, for now, weapons supplies and ordnance; temporarily decapitate the leadership; but Hamas will always come back. Its Arab paymasters will help it reconstitute. So the aim has to be to free Palestinians from the disaster of living side by side with their own cruel and soulless leadership.

Why not write about something like that from the pulpit of a formerly well-regarded conservative media outlet? Nope: it's easier and more "popular" to make "traitors" of kids, and traitor-manufacturers out of the colleges and universities where they stop for four years in the course of a long lifetime. You read and post this sh*t because it feeds your narrative, not because it has any deep meaning.

Were any of this opiners ( and I include Bill Maher in this group) on a college campus in the 1960s-early 70s? There was much more violence and rhetoric. 4 students were essentially murdered on a college campus at Kent State by National Guardsmen in 1970.

In the current situation, I think some are trying to differentiate terrorists from Palestinians which can be a difference very difficult to discern to many folks - especially the usual clueless crowd. For the Israelis, this is also a problem as the bad guys routinely mingle with the civilian population as a matter of strategy.

Speaking of Bill Maher and the nonsense of Western Civ.... : https://x.com/LarryOConnor/status/17208 ... 93465?s=20

I think he is speaking to people like MDlax, and not intended as a jab.

Bill Maher makes the same, tired, boring mistake that right wing media feeds on: when he hears about "student at XYZ school protest Israel", he assumes that the handful of kids that are a part of a protest means that all of the 10,000 kids on a campus think the same way that 20 kids do.

Newsflash, Bill: since the 60's? America has ALWAYS had radical lefties and righties on campus. Always. Every year. Stop falling for clickbait, Boomer.

We had Pro-Palestinian nutjobs protesting on Campus and around Ann Arbor for every year I was there. This is NOT new. And their numbers (duh) grow every time a war flares up in Israel. In other news, water is wet.

But those few that are protesting do not represent every student and professor's views on campus any more than Hannity represents Rachel Maddow's views.

When did Maher get this stupid? He used to be able to see past low brow interpretations like this.

I don’t think he’s stupid, he knows how to titillate his audience like any other clickbait whore. Mix some common sense with gross and supercilious exaggeration serves as comedy for his slice of audience. Note those applauding, WANT to justify ignoring the complexities that Obama is urging that we must confront if the problem is ever to be resolved.

That said, the common sense portion deserves to be in the mix of serious discussion as well. Just not the titillation.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:08 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:33 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:04 am

Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:05 am

Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:52 am

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:47 am

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/ ... -the-west/

Anti-Israel Demonstrators Hate the West

By RICH LOWRY, October 27, 2023

The cataract of anti-Israel sentiment on college campuses has been shocking, but it shouldn’t be surprising.

It is the poisoned fruit of teaching a generation of college students to despise their own civilization.

Jesse Jackson famously led a chant at Stanford University in 1987, “Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go.” He was talking about the college course, but he might as well have been talking about the thing itself.

Jackson and his allies had extraordinary success in extinguishing the teaching of Western Civ. Not only have we largely stopped transmitting the story of our own civilization, we have substituted an alternative narrative that the West is reducible to racism, imperialism, and colonialism.

It is in this context that the current outburst of anti-Zionism has to be understood. Yes, it has been fed by anti-Israel agitation on campus over the decades, and yes, students are susceptible to witless radicalism in the best of circumstances. Yet the loathing of Israel is particularly intense because it is viewed as an outpost of Western civilization and all its alleged ills.

The hatred of Israel is tainted by, and in some cases driven by, antisemitism. Another way to look at it, though, is that it’s not so much about hatred of “the other,” as progressives put it, as hatred of ourselves and all our works.

It is, on one level, incorrect to consider Israel exclusively an artifact of the West. The Jews are indigenous to the region going back to Abraham, with their story caught up in the story of the land. A large proportion of the current population traces its origins from the Middle East and North Africa rather than Europe.

But there is no doubt that Israel is a Western society — in its political system, in its respect for rights, in its innovative economy, in its mores. Someone sitting in a coffee shop in Tel Aviv could easily think they were in any thriving coastal society in the West.

From any rational perspective, this would be something to celebrate. Many legitimate criticisms can be made of Israel, and indeed are a feature of the Israeli domestic debate itself, but there’s no doubt that it is a flourishing society.

If Gaza were equally Westernized, it would be worrying about whether it’s overbuilding seaside real estate rather than having to get water and electricity from the neighboring country its governing authority — a savage terror group — is trying to destroy.

Yet this is the society that anti-Western opinion holds up and wants to sweep all before it. This point of view loves Gaza for its failure and hates Israel for its success; loves Gaza for its terror and hates Israel for its self-defense; loves Gaza for its vicious anti-Western sponsors and hates Israel for its Western allies, especially the United States.

If this seems perverse, it’s what you’d expect of students and young people who have absorbed the premises of Michel Foucault, Howard Zinn, Edward Said, and their imitators. Even if students have never heard of them, these men and their thought suffuse higher education.

But what about the violence? How can these kids look past it, or implicitly endorse it?

Violence is part of the radical anti-Western vision. The anti-colonial bible, The Wretched of the Earth, written by Frantz Fanon in 1961, is widely taught on campus. Fanon sketched out a woke worldview before anyone used that term, arguing that, as a New Yorker essay put it, “the Western bourgeoisie was ‘fundamentally racist’ and its ‘bourgeois ideology’ of equality and dignity was merely a cover for capitalist-imperialist rapacity.”

Fanon wrote that “decolonization is always a violent phenomenon,” and in a preface to the book, the French philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre declared that the wretched of the earth “become men” through “mad fury.”

By this standard, Hamas is a good and worthy anti-colonial organization, and there’s no wonder it has found supporters and useful idiots among the West’s self-loathing radicals.

This is an almost laughably simplistic screed about a constituency that resists nuance and balance, which is acquired, history and our own lives tell us, over the course of time and experience. College campuses aren't -- when we are talking generally about the student population -- about deep thoughts; we are talking about drama, fitting in, learning and experimenting, etc. But suggesting that a bunch of fracas on campus translates directly into, or is the result of, "the radical anti-Western vision" is just stupid. But you seem to like adults who traffic in this sort of black and white "journalism" and opinion.

None of us should shed a tear for a dead Hamas fighter or leader. We can rejoice it. But the situation on the ground -- murdered Israeli citizens, and displaced and dead Gazan Palestinians, with likely more of both to come -- is itself the result of decades and decades of stupidity and venality. It's complicated. So it is little wonder that college students are not yet well equipped to process it, digest, assimilate and synthesize all of the varied threads that go into and resulted in today. Indicting whole institutions because of these young people's reactions is just f*cking stupid.

Why not write about something obvious but important. If there was a military solution to this, we would have had this solved long ago. Through little fault of their own, Palestinians are stuck living among a leadership that knows nothing other than war, nothing other than the credo of death. Israelis have the right to peace, prosperity and safety. The answer is building rather than blasting. Israel will not be able to neutralize the threat, within the confines of military doctrine. They can reduce supplies; eliminate, for now, weapons supplies and ordnance; temporarily decapitate the leadership; but Hamas will always come back. Its Arab paymasters will help it reconstitute. So the aim has to be to free Palestinians from the disaster of living side by side with their own cruel and soulless leadership.

Why not write about something like that from the pulpit of a formerly well-regarded conservative media outlet? Nope: it's easier and more "popular" to make "traitors" of kids, and traitor-manufacturers out of the colleges and universities where they stop for four years in the course of a long lifetime. You read and post this sh*t because it feeds your narrative, not because it has any deep meaning.

Were any of this opiners ( and I include Bill Maher in this group) on a college campus in the 1960s-early 70s? There was much more violence and rhetoric. 4 students were essentially murdered on a college campus at Kent State by National Guardsmen in 1970.

In the current situation, I think some are trying to differentiate terrorists from Palestinians which can be a difference very difficult to discern to many folks - especially the usual clueless crowd. For the Israelis, this is also a problem as the bad guys routinely mingle with the civilian population as a matter of strategy.

Speaking of Bill Maher and the nonsense of Western Civ.... : https://x.com/LarryOConnor/status/17208 ... 93465?s=20

I think he is speaking to people like MDlax, and not intended as a jab.

Bill Maher makes the same, tired, boring mistake that right wing media feeds on: when he hears about "student at XYZ school protest Israel", he assumes that the handful of kids that are a part of a protest means that all of the 10,000 kids on a campus think the same way that 20 kids do.

Newsflash, Bill: since the 60's? America has ALWAYS had radical lefties and righties on campus. Always. Every year. Stop falling for clickbait, Boomer.

We had Pro-Palestinian nutjobs protesting on Campus and around Ann Arbor for every year I was there. This is NOT new. And their numbers (duh) grow every time a war flares up in Israel. In other news, water is wet.

But those few that are protesting do not represent every student and professor's views on campus any more than Hannity represents Rachel Maddow's views.

When did Maher get this stupid? He used to be able to see past low brow interpretations like this.

I don’t think he’s stupid, he knows how to titillate his audience like any other clickbait whore. Mix some common sense with gross and supercilious exaggeration serves as comedy for his slice of audience. Note those applauding, WANT to justify ignoring the complexities that Obama is urging that we must confront if the problem is ever to be resolved.

That said, the common sense portion deserves to be in the mix of serious discussion as well. Just not the titillation.

He is an effing comedian, social satirist and wise guy. If he isn't outraged he's boring and that is not good for business!

Accusations of Apartheid, Genocide, and Ethnic Cleansing by Israel: Do They Have Merit?


Yes, according to conservative Jim Fitzgerald:


https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2023/11/03 ... ave-merit/


For decades Israel has been given a free pass by Western countries to do things against the Palestinian people that would be thoroughly condemned if attempted by other states. Intellectual honesty demands of us that we use the same standards to judge Israel’s actions as we do for other states no matter how controversial our conclusions may be.

By internationally recognized standards, a state that segregates an entire ethnic population, and confines them to an extensive “open air prison,” is by definition an apartheid state. And this is precisely what Israel has done to the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip. It has imprisoned over two million ethnic people while maintaining control over the air, land, sea, and everything that comes in and out of Gaza.


Three of the leading human rights organizations have all issued extensive reports demonstrating conclusively that Israel is indeed an apartheid state: Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and B’Tselem. B’Tselem, it should be noted, is an Israeli human rights organization.

These reports are not using the term “apartheid” in a non-technical way to suggest that Israel is trending in the general direction of becoming an apartheid state sometime in the future. Rather, their research demonstrates that Israel is already an apartheid state in the legal sense of the term, and accordingly their treatment of the Palestinian people rises to the level of a “crime against humanity.”

In addition to the accusation of apartheid, some are calling Israel’s actions in Gaza genocide. Indeed, Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, the first Palestinian-American woman to serve in congress, has just narrowly avoided censure by the House of Representatives on November 1 for accusing Israel of genocide.

In March of this year, Michael Barnett, Professor of International Affairs and Political Science at George Washington University, asked the question, “Is Israel on the Precipice of Genocide?”

Barnett stressed that the “current situation is alarming. Israel’s control over the territories has already produced a long list of alleged crimes against humanity and war crimes, but the current atmosphere has upped the ante and could be the progenitor of crimes against humanity and even genocide.”

The UN’s report on atrocity crimes lists eight risk factors for genocide, and according to Barnett, “Israel ticks all the boxes.” Keep in mind, Barnett is writing back in March 2023. One has to wonder what he would say now.

The Genocide Convention defines genocide as the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.”

Recently, a group of 1076 Jewish Canadians, and 412 non-Jewish Canadians, have signed a letter calling for their government “to act immediately to stop the siege and starvation in Gaza, cease the bombing of the civilian population, address the catastrophic humanitarian situation, negotiate an immediate ceasefire and the return of all the Israeli hostages.”

The authors of this letter are cautious in their language, but they maintain that this moment in history is “a moment of life-and-death,” and they refer to Israel’s actions in Gaza as a “genocide-in-the-making.”

Since October 7, Israel has embarked on a scorched earth campaign killing more than 9000 Palestinian civilians with half of these deaths being woman and children. Many throughout the world are saying that Israel has the right to defend itself. Of course, no one is disputing this claim.

The question isn’t whether or not Israel has the right to defend itself. The question is how should Israel exercise that right. It’s difficult to conceive how the indiscriminate slaughter of defenseless women and children can be construed as self-defense.

According to Middle East Eye, former right wing MP Moshe Feiglin, said that the only solution to the present crisis is the “complete destruction of Gaza… destruction like in Dresden and Hiroshima, without a nuclear weapon.”

Distel Atbaryan, a member of the ruling Likud party recently posted on Facebook that Israel should invest all its energy in one thing, “Erasing all of Gaza from the face of the earth.” “Gaza,” said the former minister, “needs to be wiped out.”

So, if Israel is not yet committing genocide in Gaza, it is using genocidal rhetoric, and the reality on the ground is getting dangerously close to matching the bombast in the media.

Furthermore, there is mounting evidence that Israel is planning a forced expulsion of all Palestinians from Gaza.

Wikileaks reported that, “Israel’s Ministry of Intelligence issued a secret ten-page document, just one week after the October 7 attacks, outlining the expulsion of the Palestinian population of Gaza to northern Sinai, in Egypt.”

Wikileaks released the document on its website, and stated that the “document has been verified by an official from the Ministry of Intelligence, according to the Hebrew website Mekomit which originally published the document.”

According to Wikileaks the document outlines a four point plan for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. First, Palestinian civilians would be instructed to evacuate north Gaza prior to the commencement of land operations. Second, land operations would begin in the north and push southward in Gaza. Third, the routes leading to the Rafah border with Egypt would be left clear to create a corridor for expulsion. Fourth, tent cities would be erected in the northern Sinai to resettle Palestinians in Egypt.

What’s more, John Swartz, from the “Intercept,” reports that the MISGIVE Institute, an Israeli think tank, published a paper stating that because of the October 7 attack “There is currently a unique and rare opportunity to evacuate the entire Gaza Strip.”

According to Swartz, under this scheme Israel would ethnically cleanse Gaza and pay Egypt to take all the refugees. Also, there are rumors the US is attempting to persuade Egypt by offering them debt forgiveness in exchange for Egypt taking the refugees.

President Sisi of Egypt has thus far resisted attempts by Israel and the US to persuade him to take Palestinian refugees stating: “Egypt rejects any attempt to resolve the Palestinian issue by military means or through the forced displacement of Palestinians from their land.”

Of course, if Sisi were to agree to such a proposal it would most certainly cause mass demonstrations throughout Egypt, and the entire region.

Nevertheless, it looks like Israel is planning to cleanse Gaza one way or the other.

Based on the above findings, we can answer the first accusation in the affirmative. Israel is an apartheid state. Concerning the second accusation we say that Israel is on “precipice of genocide.” And regarding the third accusation we can conclude that Israel has a plan for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.






All the evidence, all the fact clearly reveal that Israel is an apartheid state, engages in genocide, and practices ethnic cleansing.

Classic response from former POTUS Obama. No commitment from him one way or the other. Hamas is pretty much a bunch of misguided folks who want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. In the process of doing so they have become responsible for the carnage now underway in Gaza. Hard to avoid collateral damage when the Hamas cowards willingly and enthusiastically use the Palestinian people as human shields. Israel is doing what they have to do so their nation isn't wiped off the face of the earth. Interesting chant from the loud group of pro Palestinian protesters outside the WH.
F**k Joe Biden has a rather harsh tone to it.
Too bad Joe was in Delaware. He could have met the protesters and had a friendly chat with them and clarify his position on the conflict.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:24 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:43 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:17 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:04 am Speaking of Bill Maher and the nonsense of Western Civ.... : https://x.com/LarryOConnor/status/17208 ... 93465?s=20

I think he is speaking to people like MDlax, and not intended as a jab.

...way to go Bill, channeling VDH. Long live Western Civ.

Tells me Bill mailed it in at Cornell in the 70's, or is too stoned to remember those days. The second Women's studies program in the US was established at Cornell BEFORE Bill arrived. Cornell is the freaking BIRTHPLACE for African American Studies at an elite University.....1970.

The lefties in Bill's college days (mid-late 70's) were 100 times more radical than they are now. But I think it's cute he thinks schools are radical now. When was the last bomb that went off in a University, Bill?

And Bill is channelling Hutchins and Adler, OS. VDH can't carry the water for Hutchins....a weak imitation who instead of getting off his *ss to actually help working class Americans access the ideas of the Great Books of Wester Civ, VDH took his Commie State Government University job, and parlayed it into rightwing clickbait.

We are witnessing the legacy those college student "activists" of the '70's gave us as they became faculty members & administrators.
Today's student protesters aren't making bombs because they're not being drafted & sent off to war. They have no skin in this game.
They're victims by proxy. It's fashionable to protest. A fad.

Yes! Happy to hear you get it, in terms of these students. Professors aren't more liberal today than they were in the 70's...or when I was there in the late 80's.

These students are big, fat, nothingburgers. Those who are hitting back at Penn et. al. should be making fun of them, not flipping out because Penn encourages free speech, however odious.

This tells you all you need to know, and it's a great quote by Jordan Peterson.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 10:24 am ,,,All the evidence, all the fact clearly reveal that Israel is an apartheid state, engages in genocide, and practices ethnic cleansing.,,

br00kyn t0ta11y gets it, y0u pe0p1e are dumb, i 1ived in 10ng isand and the jews a1ways take stuff, they t00k h011yw00d, they t00k finance, they t00k israe1, n0w they're ki11ing pe0p1e fr n0 reas0n, just t0 ki11 pe0p1e, f the jews, br00k1yn is smart, y0u pe0p1e are dumb,

What happened to this place?
Some of you are part of the problem!

IMHO if your a Jew living in the world today the next Holocaust is always waiting just around the corner. It seems like more and more people in this world want to eradicate the Jews yet again.

No link but an article in this mornings news has reported on this. IDF forces have video of Hamas launcher tubes parked right by a childrens playground and pool. So Hamas is using children as human shields to keep launching rockets into Israel. Can these degenerate lowlife Hamas scum stoop any lower on the depravity scale? Their supporters are protesting on their behalf at the WH. The world is becoming more effed up everyday. The bad guys are now being celebrated by their supporters at the WH. The icing on the cake is defacing government buildings with red paint in a symbolic gesture of support.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 2:44 pm No link but an article in this mornings news has reported on this. IDF forces have video of Hamas launcher tubes parked right by a childrens playground and pool. So Hamas is using children as human shields to keep launching rockets into Israel. Can these degenerate lowlife Hamas scum stoop any lower on the depravity scale? Their supporters are protesting on their behalf at the WH. The world is becoming more effed up everyday. The bad guys are now being celebrated by their supporters at the WH. The icing on the cake is defacing government buildings with red paint in a symbolic gesture of support.

There are nutjobs all over on both sides - just today Amichay Eliyahu, the minister of heritage from the ultranationalist Jewish Power party. In addition to suggesting on a Hebrew radio station that dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza and killing everyone there was “one way” of dealing with the threat from Hamas. In his remarks, he also said that there was no such thing as noncombatants in Gaza.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 2:44 pm No link but an article in this mornings news has reported on this. IDF forces have video of Hamas launcher tubes parked right by a childrens playground and pool. So Hamas is using children as human shields to keep launching rockets into Israel. Can these degenerate lowlife Hamas scum stoop any lower on the depravity scale? Their supporters are protesting on their behalf at the WH. The world is becoming more effed up everyday. The bad guys are now being celebrated by their supporters at the WH. The icing on the cake is defacing government buildings with red paint in a symbolic gesture of support.

They've been doing this for years. And the ProPalestian nutjob hardliners know this....and don't care. And don't speak up. And don't protest.

Which tells you where they're minds are with this issue. River to the Sea. By any means necessary.

When Muslims protest Hamas and what they do? We'll be closer to solving this....it's been decades, and they refuse to do it.

Where are the anti-Hamas protests in America?

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:00 pm There are nutjobs all over on both sides - just today Amichay Eliyahu, the minister of heritage from the ultranationalist Jewish Power party. In addition to suggesting on a Hebrew radio station that dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza and killing everyone there was “one way” of dealing with the threat from Hamas. In his remarks, he also said that there was no such thing as noncombatants in Gaza.

right. nut jobs on both sides. one is a military strategy they've been using for decades. the other is literally 1 emotional Israeli politician talking. you have to be able to see the difference...

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:03 pm Where are the anti-Hamas protests in America?

there aren't. that's a critical point. the hamas/palestinian supporters are anti-israel. the israeli supporters are pro-israel. that heart of this issue isn't A against B and B against A. the heart of this issue is whether israel has the right to exist.

Baducchi wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:11 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:03 pm Where are the anti-Hamas protests in America?

there aren't. that's a critical point. the hamas/palestinian supporters are anti-israel. the israeli supporters are pro-israel. that heart of this issue isn't A against B and B against A. the heart of this issue is whether israel has the right to exist.

Afans point still applies. If the protests were for Hamas to STFU and get over the fact that Israel deserves their land, we’d have peace.

Unless the argument shifts that all Muslims ‘secretly’ want an abolishment of Israel and completely content allowing proxy sects to maintain the fight. Which is really not that far fetched.