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Re: NIL, Title IX, Power 5, future of Lax et al

Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:12 pm
by a fan
Chousnake wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:59 pm
a fan wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:24 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:09 pm
a fan wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 3:01 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 2:25 pm you're not on an island. what makes you think bennett didn't expect repercussions?
The fact that he told folks about how he's not suited to where the College Sports is in his presser, without saying one single word as to WHY College Sports is where it is....is what makes me think that he didn't expect bad things to come of pulling in 10x what a UVa professor earned.

He's riding off into the sunset at age 55 after pulling in tens of millions, and it's not at all unlikely that College Sports will fall apart because of the absurd wages being paid out to coaches and AD middlemen. Maybe I'm being pessimistic.

I guess I'm expecting too much. These coaches are supposed to produce leaders....you'd think that SOMEONE in the coaching/AD ranks would cop to their part in ruining College Athletics. I have yet to see the "this is MY fault" admission from any of them.

Have you?
ok. firstly, let's air it out that i am a homer here. here is where i'll go however that i won't again in my lifetime, for anybody: he's the embodiment of what we want coaches to be, more than anyone in the last 30 years. uva didn't deserve him, because he was a unicorn and nobody does.

it's possible you're not that familiar with him before your opening foray, but maybe you are. what i can tell you: he didn't and doesn't talk in code. when he has concern for athletes at top of mind, it's because it matters to him what happens to the bulk of the 1,700 basketball players that were in the portal in the last year. it matters to him about the guys that get lost in the wash as much as any guy that can help him win.
he doesn't say one thing and mean another. unfortunately, that's rare. and me, i've never heard a coach retire and say 6 to 10 times it's because i'm not good enough to do this.

however, if you'd rather have your take be he hasn't and didn't repent for his sins, because that's the one thing you need to hear, have at it.
I'm not familiar with him at all. Never heard of him until the presser.

I wouldn't have said word one if he simply retired, and sailed off.....

But that's not what he did. He threw stones at the mess he helped make, without acknowledging his role is weak sauce, imho. That's why I reacted the way I did.

Like many here, i am LIVID at what they've done to College Sports. I'm sure he's a good man, but if you ask him? I'd be SHOCKED if he didn't tell you he was part of the problem.
The money paid to football and basketball coaches at major colleges is obscene. And the money major colleges get from football is absurd. The search for football dollars has ruined college sports. And for the major colleges to try to get the other schools to help them pay for the problem they created is robbery. But I fear for how the current environment and system is going to ruin other sports completely at every college level.
Oh I agree, and am FURIOUS about it. I fear for our sport of lacrosse.

The could have capped Coaches and Admin. just like they capped the players ability to earn...and made it much easier to argue that College Sports is about a higher goal than just money.

Instead, they let Middlemen and Coaches enjoy the free market....while the kids didn't. And the race for more and more money was on.

What's crazy to me is that MOST of these schools are taxpayer-funded State Universities. Why didn't they take all these absurd salaries and use it to keep the cost of tuition down for the taxpayers? Greed, is why.

Re: NIL, Title IX, Power 5, future of Lax et al

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:39 pm
by Farfromgeneva
a fan wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 1:03 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:18 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2024 10:39 pm https://www.on3.com/college/virginia-ca ... all-of-us/

Good old Brett Kavanaugh and the SCOTUS really improved college sports with their ruling.
it's not scotus' job to clean up this mess, it's the nc$$'s job. scotus' ruling now 3+ years ago was that the nc$$ couldn't restrict education-related expenses to student athletes. that's all. the revenue sharing aspect of alston had been tossed in lower courts, for whatever reason. what squi's buddy also did was advise/warn the nc$$ that unless they sat down in collective bargaining, the likelihood was they would keep losing cases. this was months after the doj had already told them in no uncertain terms that if they blocked transfers and nil any longer, that the department would come after them for antitrust violations.
so the nc$$'s solution and reaction to this has been to ignore all of that, and now shoot for congress. they are the most inept and feckless organization i can think of.
Holy lack of Self Awareness on this Bennett guy.

How much did he pull down a year, again? Like $3-$4 million, right? At a taxpayer funded school?

Yet he doesn't think being the highest earning employee in the entire State, and, what, like 10x what a tenured PhD professor does at UVa is the entire reason College Sports fell apart?

Watching the bulk of the US press give guys like this Coach a full pass for ruining College Sports to like their own pockets, and then BAILING on the mess that HE MADE, is just....awesome.

What, exactly, is that supposed to teach his former players? Bennett taught them PRECISELY what he's now complaining about: every man for himself, and money comes first.

And now that the shoe is on the other foot, Bennett is clutching pearls. Sweet.
Not WG but a lot of UVA alums I’ve met talk like UVA is public in name only and really “basically a private school”

Re: NIL, Title IX, Power 5, future of Lax et al

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2024 8:08 pm
by Farfromgeneva
a fan wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 3:01 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 2:25 pm you're not on an island. what makes you think bennett didn't expect repercussions?
The fact that he told folks about how he's not suited to where the College Sports is in his presser, without saying one single word as to WHY College Sports is where it is....is what makes me think that he didn't expect bad things to come of pulling in 10x what a UVa professor earned.

He's riding off into the sunset at age 55 after pulling in tens of millions, and it's not at all unlikely that College Sports will fall apart because of the absurd wages being paid out to coaches and AD middlemen. Maybe I'm being pessimistic.

I guess I'm expecting too much. These coaches are supposed to produce leaders....you'd think that SOMEONE in the coaching/AD ranks would cop to their part in ruining College Athletics. I have yet to see the "this is MY fault" admission from any of them.

Have you?
Can’t comp coaches to faculty I get your point but it’s beyond unrealistic to expect a cohort compelled in their ecosystem seeing what they see around them to think about relative value compared with other ecosystems - you like to make that case a lot but it’s really not important because it presume Severson has equal and high levels of empathy and look why one their unmediated world which is not how people behave.

It sucks from the outside but it’s just not a relevant argument to demand that one cohort look beyond their own world and consider their worth compared to other groups. It’s an impossible task really. So there has to be another way to approach it. But until higher ed is serious about tangible outcome driven / based planning, action, focus and allocation of resources will be at best going the direction
Of the wind and that’s beyond athletics. Current and future education itself is a slave to the winds and yet they don’t teach Peter Bernstein seminal work on this topic ironically (https://books.google.com/books/about/Ag ... escription)

Re: NIL, Title IX, Power 5, future of Lax et al

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:00 pm
by a fan
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 8:08 pm
a fan wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 3:01 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 2:25 pm you're not on an island. what makes you think bennett didn't expect repercussions?
The fact that he told folks about how he's not suited to where the College Sports is in his presser, without saying one single word as to WHY College Sports is where it is....is what makes me think that he didn't expect bad things to come of pulling in 10x what a UVa professor earned.

He's riding off into the sunset at age 55 after pulling in tens of millions, and it's not at all unlikely that College Sports will fall apart because of the absurd wages being paid out to coaches and AD middlemen. Maybe I'm being pessimistic.

I guess I'm expecting too much. These coaches are supposed to produce leaders....you'd think that SOMEONE in the coaching/AD ranks would cop to their part in ruining College Athletics. I have yet to see the "this is MY fault" admission from any of them.

Have you?
Can’t comp coaches to faculty I get your point but it’s beyond unrealistic to expect a cohort compelled in their ecosystem seeing what they see around them to think about relative value compared with other ecosystems - you like to make that case a lot but it’s really not important because it presume Severson has equal and high levels of empathy and look why one their unmediated world which is not how people behave.

It sucks from the outside but it’s just not a relevant argument to demand that one cohort look beyond their own world and consider their worth compared to other groups. It’s an impossible task really. So there has to be another way to approach it. But until higher ed is serious about tangible outcome driven / based planning, action, focus and allocation of resources will be at best going the direction
Of the wind and that’s beyond athletics. Current and future education itself is a slave to the winds and yet they don’t teach Peter Bernstein seminal work on this topic ironically (https://books.google.com/books/about/Ag ... escription)
I've long since abandoned any notion that people should look at these things the way that I do.

The same head in the sand "thinking" that makes alums believe that UVa "isn't really the government" is the same thinking that blames "greedy players" for why College Sports fell apart.

Reminds me of when a UMich undergrad team came in to help make our plant "more sustainable" for class credit, and didn't know where to start.

ProTip: if you need to know what the largest consumer of electricity is in a factory, walk to the electrical panel, and find the biggest Amp fused breaker that feeds equipment. That's usually your big energy consumer....or at least a good place to start.

If we're supposed to play dumb, and act like we don't know what the big Amp draw was in College Sports (where all the money went)....the big money that might just tear it all down?

Okie-dokie. Like I wrote, I get that I'm on an island. That's cool.