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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:47 pm
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a fan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:09 pm
So you hold the leader of the free world----and his minions who were appointed, not voted in----- to a
lower standard than a career Federal worker?
Come on. You can't be serious. Same standard, fine. Higher standard, fine. But lower? Seriously?
Yes I do -- for good reason.
The DoJ is not just a law enforcement officer. He's also charged with investigating for compliance with DoJ policies & rules.
There's no IG enforcing compliance by a President. The voters put him in office & Congress removes him.
in the final analysis, a President gets away with whatever the voting public will tolerate.
Not so with a federal worker.
WOW.
So acting criminally to achieve election, if successful, inoculates a President from criminal prosecution. Above the law, rather than actually bound to protect the Constitution and the rule of law.
Imagine this is some a-hole on the left side of the ledger.
Of course, what you are saying is about process, not whether a President should actually be held to a higher or a lower standard (by you, the voter), which is what a fan keeps pressing you to answer.
You
are answering lower, right?
You get another chance at this one, Salty.
There were only 2 choices in 2016. I chose neither.
Comey was not elected. Trump was.
"acting criminally to achieve election" ? Prove it.
You've been accusing Trump of crimes for 2+ years now.
Crossfire Hurricane & Mueller are done.
You're still in Lawrence O'Donnell " if true " land.
You are holding a President to a lower standard than the head of the FBI, under the logic that one is elected and the latter is not.
For a President you don't care if he's done something criminal, much less the obvious corrupt and dishonest, but you think the FBI Director's decisions to break DOJ guidelines, though not breaking any laws, even with the intent of protecting the nation against the Russians, is way worse than anything, even criminal, that the POTUS does.
Your logic, apparently, is that the President, given that he's an elected official, and moreover can't be indicted for a criminal act (only according to DOJ guideline) is to be held to a lower standard by you, the voter.
That's what you said, as I heard it.
Now, if you want to clear this up, I keep giving you extra swings at the ball but for some (perhaps obvious) reason you can't get the bat off your shoulder to answer directly.
You want to hide behind the "I didn't vote" screen, but that ain't cutting it, Salty.
Stop putting words in my mouth (as usual).
I didn't say I don't care. With elected officials, we can't do anything about it.
We don't have to tolerate it with the Fed employees. Nobody elected them.
You continue your accusations of criminal activity. When are you going to put up or shut up ?
Your TDS fantasies have fizzled out.
Your contempt for the will of the voters is obvious, when they don't agree with you.
Apparently you have no problem using the powers of the govt to undermine, or even remove, their duly elected leader,
Actually, you've repeatedly said you don't care. You've doubled down again and again that POTUS is above the law, in a way no other politician or federal employee would be (whether you like it or not, he's a federal employee too and took and oath of office). But you don't care.
But "we don't have to tolerate it with Fed employees"...actually you and I don't get any direct say about Fed employees, that's their bosses job. We do get a direct say in who gets elected POTUS, one of only two jobs that all Americans have a direct say in. So, if there's ANYONE who we don't have to "tolerate" when they are dishonest, corrupt, or otherwise commit offenses deserving to be canned, it's POTUS and VEEP.
But, nah, 'cause it's Trump, we should give him a pass and "tolerate" him. After all, he and his Campaign welcomed Russian interference, and then lied repeatedly about it. He lied again and again to the American people, lies that had he told the truth would have likely prevented him from being elected, including that he was trying to do a major business deal with Russia late into the Campaign, and continued to lie about it once elected.
But, nah, you don't care.
Instead, you want to attack those who saw him for what he is, a corrupt, compromised egomaniac with zero respect for the rule of law much less the US Constitution he is sworn to protect.
Show me where I said I don't care. I acknowledged that we were powerless to do anything about it unless & until Mueller delivered the kill shot.
...how'd that work out ? You keep throwing the same manure up against the wall then crying when none of it sticks.
Do you think your TDS rants here count for anything other than your own therapeutic denials of the reality of the situation.
Trump didn't do the stuff he was accused of doing or you suspected him of doing.
The entire law enforcement & intel apparatus of the US & our allies came to the same conclusion that Strzok texted Lisa --
there's no there, there. Your saying otherwise does not make it so.
Sheesh, Salty, you've done so over and over again.
You've repeatedly set the bar as "kill shot", criminal indictment, when it's been made clear that no such criminal action (for Trump specifically) was to come out of DOJ while in office, and no such will happen while the Senate is in GOP control. Post-office, whole other matter.
And you continuously have downplayed what is obvious about Trump.
That he denied, falsely, that he was doing business with the Russians, both earlier and actually during the Campaign, that the Russians made a major effort to interfere with the Campaign and Trump and his Campaign welcomed that assistance, even provided material assistance to the Russians with polling data and internal strategy, that they lied about numerous meetings with Russians, that he clearly sought to obstruct the investigation, the latter actually being criminally indictable post office.
All of that was in the Mueller Report.
Yet, you have downplayed it.
Moreover, you've downplayed that he's surrounded himself with liars and corrupt personnel, with most of those not so eventually directly or indirectly pushed by Trump out of their jobs, including those who believed that working with allies to confront Russia and other adversaries is essential. That Trump has resisted and undermined sanctions against the Russians, that he has undermined alliances with key allies, that he's repeatedly made baldly false claims, false on their face, and made repeated racist statements and/or clear dog whistles to the the most racist in our society.
You've downplayed all that.
If that's not 'not caring' I don't know what is.
Instead, you focus all of your criticism on the fictional 'Deep State' and purported transgressions of life long law enforcement officials focused on combating the Russian interference and public corruption.
Apparently you 'care' about those transgressions, but not about those of the POTUS and his cronies.
Indeed, when asked directly who you hold to a "higher standard", Trump or Comey, you say Comey.
A guy who has made his life's work pursuing justice and the rule of law instead of a guy who has repeatedly made clear he cares nothing for the rule of law other than how it might impinge upon his capacity to help himself economically or otherwise.
You claim that's because Comey was a "Fed employee", though Trump is as well.
Moreover, you as a voter actually have a direct say in who is elected POTUS ( "care" ), whereas Comey was actually fired.
I don't see any other possible conclusion from your years of posts, including those in this thread.
Care. Fire Trump.