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Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 8:41 am
by wgdsr
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:29 am A quick note. I really thought deeply about this last night after returning from the ND/UVA game.

Maybe I caught the Kavanaugh brothers in a game where they had food poisoning the previous night.

But that would not excuse their lackluster efforts regardless. I’ve never seen two players so heralded exert so little effort in a major game. I took photos for someone close to the program to show where these two were every time UVA had the ball on the offensive end.

One time, 51 walked over to the ND sideline to get a drink, while the ball was in play. At no time did I ever see either standing at the midfield line waiting for any errant ground ball. UVA’s defense did though.

I saw two players who showed almost disdain for running for out of bounds possessions.

Compounding problems, their third attackman, Taylor, taunts Nunes after a goal; c’mon dude, act like you’ve been here. Just amateur hour from ND.

I’m always willing to admit if I’m missing a critical piece of information. Mayve they did have food poisoning. Maybe the hotel fire alarm went off at 3 am.

But I can’t tell you how much that attack can make a casual fan dislike the team; I wanted to cheer for ND, I ended up happier for the favorite.

Either get at it, or quit. Let players who want to hustle play. Corrigan didn’t seize any opportunity yesterday to teach a lesson to his team, and so the culture is weakened.

Pathetic.
since the over and back rule, have my attack staying below the restraining box. any thru ball with enough speed makes it to midline before any d man could get upfield to knock it back. takes that risk away and it's automatically our ball.

i'd be expecting a pm from carc if i were you.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 8:44 am
by blue angels
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:29 am A quick note. I really thought deeply about this last night after returning from the ND/UVA game.

Maybe I caught the Kavanaugh brothers in a game where they had food poisoning the previous night.

But that would not excuse their lackluster efforts regardless. I’ve never seen two players so heralded exert so little effort in a major game. I took photos for someone close to the program to show where these two were every time UVA had the ball on the offensive end.

One time, 51 walked over to the ND sideline to get a drink, while the ball was in play. At no time did I ever see either standing at the midfield line waiting for any errant ground ball. UVA’s defense did though.

I saw two players who showed almost disdain for running for out of bounds possessions.

Compounding problems, their third attackman, Taylor, taunts Nunes after a goal; c’mon dude, act like you’ve been here. Just amateur hour from ND.

I’m always willing to admit if I’m missing a critical piece of information. Mayve they did have food poisoning. Maybe the hotel fire alarm went off at 3 am.

But I can’t tell you how much that attack can make a casual fan dislike the team; I wanted to cheer for ND, I ended up happier for the favorite.

Either get at it, or quit. Let players who want to hustle play. Corrigan didn’t seize any opportunity yesterday to teach a lesson to his team, and so the culture is weakened.

Pathetic.
As much as you have been to Charlottesville for games this year and can contrast coaching styles & players of Lars and Corrigan, am mildly surprised, you aren't rooting for Virginia except when playing your Cuse.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 8:52 am
by SkipPass
There is a reason Corrigan hasn’t won a National Championship and it showed yesterday, as you described above. This year will be no different. Close - but - no cigar.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 9:06 am
by tech37
blue angels wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:44 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:29 am A quick note. I really thought deeply about this last night after returning from the ND/UVA game.

Maybe I caught the Kavanaugh brothers in a game where they had food poisoning the previous night.

But that would not excuse their lackluster efforts regardless. I’ve never seen two players so heralded exert so little effort in a major game. I took photos for someone close to the program to show where these two were every time UVA had the ball on the offensive end.

One time, 51 walked over to the ND sideline to get a drink, while the ball was in play. At no time did I ever see either standing at the midfield line waiting for any errant ground ball. UVA’s defense did though.

I saw two players who showed almost disdain for running for out of bounds possessions.

Compounding problems, their third attackman, Taylor, taunts Nunes after a goal; c’mon dude, act like you’ve been here. Just amateur hour from ND.

I’m always willing to admit if I’m missing a critical piece of information. Mayve they did have food poisoning. Maybe the hotel fire alarm went off at 3 am.

But I can’t tell you how much that attack can make a casual fan dislike the team; I wanted to cheer for ND, I ended up happier for the favorite.

Either get at it, or quit. Let players who want to hustle play. Corrigan didn’t seize any opportunity yesterday to teach a lesson to his team, and so the culture is weakened.

Pathetic.
As much as you have been to Charlottesville for games this year and can contrast coaching styles & players of Lars and Corrigan, am mildly surprised, you aren't rooting for Virginia except when playing your Cuse.
Finster, respectfully, you've got to give much credit to Saustad and Kology for slapping the KBros a very pedestrian performance.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 9:17 am
by Finster
blue angels wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:44 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:29 am A quick note. I really thought deeply about this last night after returning from the ND/UVA game.

Maybe I caught the Kavanaugh brothers in a game where they had food poisoning the previous night.

But that would not excuse their lackluster efforts regardless. I’ve never seen two players so heralded exert so little effort in a major game. I took photos for someone close to the program to show where these two were every time UVA had the ball on the offensive end.

One time, 51 walked over to the ND sideline to get a drink, while the ball was in play. At no time did I ever see either standing at the midfield line waiting for any errant ground ball. UVA’s defense did though.

I saw two players who showed almost disdain for running for out of bounds possessions.

Compounding problems, their third attackman, Taylor, taunts Nunes after a goal; c’mon dude, act like you’ve been here. Just amateur hour from ND.

I’m always willing to admit if I’m missing a critical piece of information. Mayve they did have food poisoning. Maybe the hotel fire alarm went off at 3 am.

But I can’t tell you how much that attack can make a casual fan dislike the team; I wanted to cheer for ND, I ended up happier for the favorite.

Either get at it, or quit. Let players who want to hustle play. Corrigan didn’t seize any opportunity yesterday to teach a lesson to his team, and so the culture is weakened.

Pathetic.
As much as you have been to Charlottesville for games this year and can contrast coaching styles & players of Lars and Corrigan, am mildly surprised, you aren't rooting for Virginia except when playing your Cuse.


I like Lars a ton. But generally I cheer for any underdog, and UVA will not be an underdog this year. I also like great lacrosse plus great tesm culture. Hustle is one of those easy tells if a team has good culture. UVA’s squad gets at it. I rarely see a situation there where I’d call into question their hustle. That kid Lasalla seems to epitomize hustle. He does not stop.

So I’ll always cheer for Gary and Cuse. But if I’m at a neutral site (I live closest to Charlottesville of any major program), I just want a great game. If I see things like I saw from ND’s attack yesterday, I basically want the coach to get stomped in the first round of the NCAA. That’s a shame because their middies and goalie are on point.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 9:23 am
by Finster
tech37 wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:06 am
blue angels wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:44 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:29 am A quick note. I really thought deeply about this last night after returning from the ND/UVA game.

Maybe I caught the Kavanaugh brothers in a game where they had food poisoning the previous night.

But that would not excuse their lackluster efforts regardless. I’ve never seen two players so heralded exert so little effort in a major game. I took photos for someone close to the program to show where these two were every time UVA had the ball on the offensive end.

One time, 51 walked over to the ND sideline to get a drink, while the ball was in play. At no time did I ever see either standing at the midfield line waiting for any errant ground ball. UVA’s defense did though.

I saw two players who showed almost disdain for running for out of bounds possessions.

Compounding problems, their third attackman, Taylor, taunts Nunes after a goal; c’mon dude, act like you’ve been here. Just amateur hour from ND.

I’m always willing to admit if I’m missing a critical piece of information. Mayve they did have food poisoning. Maybe the hotel fire alarm went off at 3 am.

But I can’t tell you how much that attack can make a casual fan dislike the team; I wanted to cheer for ND, I ended up happier for the favorite.

Either get at it, or quit. Let players who want to hustle play. Corrigan didn’t seize any opportunity yesterday to teach a lesson to his team, and so the culture is weakened.

Pathetic.
As much as you have been to Charlottesville for games this year and can contrast coaching styles & players of Lars and Corrigan, am mildly surprised, you aren't rooting for Virginia except when playing your Cuse.
Finster, respectfully, you've got to give much credit to Saustad and Kology for slapping the KBros a very pedestrian performance.



I would, except the Kavs didn’t give any effort to know if UVA’s defense was doing well.

Skipping past the play where 51 walked to his sideline to grab a drink while the ball was in play at the other end, there was an out of bounds shot by ND where 51 was closest. We were standing on the hill basically closest to where the ball went. He didn’t even pretend to run for it. He looked at the ref and stood flat, imploring the ref to award the ball to ND because he was closest, except he was about all of ten feet from the goal. Just useless. I’d have benched him and not looked back. A wasted teachable lesson.

UVA’s defense was hyped. And they’re good. But man, ND’s effort on attack was as bad as I’ve seen from a major program in a long long while.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 9:30 am
by stupefied
The field factored as well as Nunes being on. Saw slips and not the usual sharp pivots by some. UVA last regular season game and no acc tourney. 1st playoff game for them always comes after a layoff, if Im Cavs I want to play next week while Nunes is on a roll and the D is in sync which hasnt always been the case. UVA chances are as good as any for chip but still dont trust them on that end especially against a team ie Duke who have o players who knock them off.Shelleneberger also appears to still be hindered some whether its his legs or shoulder . His passing and vision is there and they have weapons but he needs to be close to 100% . Short break hopefully helps him.,

As far as ND, keep hearing how this is the best in years . Offense has more but defense has less imo. They need their share of possessions against the top five and their fogois are not a particular strength. Ill reserve comment on Corrigan other to say that he hasn't won the big game over many long years despite having several very good teams .

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 9:36 am
by Finster
wgdsr wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:41 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:29 am A quick note. I really thought deeply about this last night after returning from the ND/UVA game.

Maybe I caught the Kavanaugh brothers in a game where they had food poisoning the previous night.

But that would not excuse their lackluster efforts regardless. I’ve never seen two players so heralded exert so little effort in a major game. I took photos for someone close to the program to show where these two were every time UVA had the ball on the offensive end.

One time, 51 walked over to the ND sideline to get a drink, while the ball was in play. At no time did I ever see either standing at the midfield line waiting for any errant ground ball. UVA’s defense did though.

I saw two players who showed almost disdain for running for out of bounds possessions.

Compounding problems, their third attackman, Taylor, taunts Nunes after a goal; c’mon dude, act like you’ve been here. Just amateur hour from ND.

I’m always willing to admit if I’m missing a critical piece of information. Mayve they did have food poisoning. Maybe the hotel fire alarm went off at 3 am.

But I can’t tell you how much that attack can make a casual fan dislike the team; I wanted to cheer for ND, I ended up happier for the favorite.

Either get at it, or quit. Let players who want to hustle play. Corrigan didn’t seize any opportunity yesterday to teach a lesson to his team, and so the culture is weakened.

Pathetic.
since the over and back rule, have my attack staying below the restraining box. any thru ball with enough speed makes it to midline before any d man could get upfield to knock it back. takes that risk away and it's automatically our ball.

i'd be expecting a pm from carc if i were you.


Lol.

You’ve got an interesting point and I can see the dilemma. But more often than not, the ‘errant’ ball is a redirected pipe shot or defensive stab deflection, so it’s not going to be an over and back.

I’d add that often yesterday, ND’s attack was mindlessly drifting between the midfield line and restraining line, allowing the UVA defenseman to stand uncontested at midfield while not worrying too much about letting the ND attack get loose on a fast break.

I bet no one is gonna cut my hair now.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 9:39 am
by Hoxwurth
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:29 am Compounding problems, their third attackman, Taylor, taunts Nunes after a goal; c’mon dude, act like you’ve been here. Just amateur hour from ND.

. . .

Either get at it, or quit. Let players who want to hustle play. Corrigan didn’t seize any opportunity yesterday to teach a lesson to his team, and so the culture is weakened.

Pathetic.
In a game where UVA didn't shoot particularly well, Nunes stole a number of goals. Normally, if UVA misses that many shots, ND wins. Just wasn't there day.

The ND taunting was far more than that goal. Haven't seen a team talk that much trash since 2019 UNC. As some of you may remember, that UNC team had a real chance to win the championship.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 9:44 am
by Finster
stupefied wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:30 am The field factored as well as Nunes being on. Saw slips and not the usual sharp pivots by some. UVA last regular season game and no acc tourney. 1st playoff game for them always comes after a layoff, if Im Cavs I want to play next week while Nunes is on a roll and the D is in sync which hasnt always been the case. UVA chances are as good as any for chip but still dont trust them on that end especially against a team ie Duke who have o players who knock them off.Shelleneberger also appears to still be hindered some whether its his legs or shoulder . His passing and vision is there and they have weapons but he needs to be close to 100% . Short break hopefully helps him.,

As far as ND, keep hearing how this is the best in years . Offense has more but defense has less imo. They need their share of possessions against the top five and their fogois are not a particular strength. Ill reserve comment on Corrigan other to say that he hasn't won the big game over many long years despite having several very good teams .



Stupefied: you raise another game observation we had. ND’s Hagstrom came in after Lynch was getting torched by Lasalla, and Hagstrom wins a really clean pop forward Faceoff.

What does Corrigan do with the next FO? Puts Lynch back in. Which he loses.

I mean, what?!?

Finally, ND has a full bench of really fast initiating middies. I’d actually say that’s their strength. These guys were demonstrably quicker and faster than UVA’s LSM’s and SSDM’s. I give credit to Corrigan for letting those guys initiate. But he could use a better rotation system as they shake free. A little too much standing around watching what they’ll do next. Meanwhile they’ve gotten someone open somewhere. Wasted opportunities imo. Those ND middies are good. As is Entenmann.

I just feel that Kevin is allowing a few to hurt the result. If I were an ND fan, I’d be pretty unhappy with yesterday.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 9:47 am
by Finster
Hoxwurth wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:39 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:29 am Compounding problems, their third attackman, Taylor, taunts Nunes after a goal; c’mon dude, act like you’ve been here. Just amateur hour from ND.

. . .

Either get at it, or quit. Let players who want to hustle play. Corrigan didn’t seize any opportunity yesterday to teach a lesson to his team, and so the culture is weakened.

Pathetic.
In a game where UVA didn't shoot particularly well, Nunes stole a number of goals. Normally, if UVA misses that many shots, ND wins. Just wasn't there day.

The ND taunting was far more than that goal. Haven't seen a team talk that much trash since 2019 UNC. As some of you may remember, that UNC team had a real chance to win the championship.


No one should ever taunt, but if you’re going to be ‘that team’, you better back it up and win. Otherwise you look like classless chumps.

It doesn’t take many kids to wreck a teams rep. Kevin should’ve made some healthy decisions yesterday to reset the team culture. He missed the opportunity.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 10:04 am
by keno in reno
Hoxwurth wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:39 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:29 am Compounding problems, their third attackman, Taylor, taunts Nunes after a goal; c’mon dude, act like you’ve been here. Just amateur hour from ND.

. . .

Either get at it, or quit. Let players who want to hustle play. Corrigan didn’t seize any opportunity yesterday to teach a lesson to his team, and so the culture is weakened.

Pathetic.
In a game where UVA didn't shoot particularly well, Nunes stole a number of goals. Normally, if UVA misses that many shots, ND wins. Just wasn't there day.

The ND taunting was far more than that goal. Haven't seen a team talk that much trash since 2019 UNC. As some of you may remember, that UNC team had a real chance to win the championship.
Yeah, It's been noticeable that every Notre Dame game has a massive amount of trash talking. I know it's impossible for the ESPN crew to say anything negative about the Jesus brothers or about ND, but this group is about as low class as it gets. #50's celebration yesterday on a trash goal in the first half was laughable.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 10:05 am
by tech37
Hoxwurth wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:39 am
Finster wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 8:29 am Compounding problems, their third attackman, Taylor, taunts Nunes after a goal; c’mon dude, act like you’ve been here. Just amateur hour from ND.

. . .

Either get at it, or quit. Let players who want to hustle play. Corrigan didn’t seize any opportunity yesterday to teach a lesson to his team, and so the culture is weakened.

Pathetic.
In a game where UVA didn't shoot particularly well, Nunes stole a number of goals. Normally, if UVA misses that many shots, ND wins. Just wasn't there day.

The ND taunting was far more than that goal. Haven't seen a team talk that much trash since 2019 UNC. As some of you may remember, that UNC team had a real chance to win the championship.
That sort of crap must disappoint guys like Tevlin and Fake.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 10:38 am
by Floyd
Having seen quite a bit of Thomas Porell in HS I thought he was a lock to see meaningful minutes as a freshman, but just noticed he hasn't played at all. Was he hurt and/or redshirted? An absolute freak of an athlete, thought at a minimum he'd get consistent run at SSDM.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 10:50 am
by Laxinmay
stupefied wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:30 am The field factored as well as Nunes being on. Saw slips and not the usual sharp pivots by some. UVA last regular season game and no acc tourney. 1st playoff game for them always comes after a layoff, if Im Cavs I want to play next week while Nunes is on a roll and the D is in sync which hasnt always been the case. UVA chances are as good as any for chip but still dont trust them on that end especially against a team ie Duke who have o players who knock them off.Shelleneberger also appears to still be hindered some whether its his legs or shoulder . His passing and vision is there and they have weapons but he needs to be close to 100% . Short break hopefully helps him.,

As far as ND, keep hearing how this is the best in years . Offense has more but defense has less imo. They need their share of possessions against the top five and their fogois are not a particular strength. Ill reserve comment on Corrigan other to say that he hasn't won the big game over many long years despite having several very good teams .
With all due respect, are you looking at the same team we general lax fans are? The ND defense is the #1 adjusted team defense in the country. They have a plus 5 ratio (avg between goals for and against vs their opponents), just held the #1 offense in the country to its lowest output. They do not have the "names" of ND past but I would argue your sentiment. They are also playing alot of defense with the FO deficit of this team. Which in my opinion, is their achilles heel. You wont win in May by FO at 38%.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 11:20 am
by Finster
Laxinmay wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:50 am
stupefied wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:30 am The field factored as well as Nunes being on. Saw slips and not the usual sharp pivots by some. UVA last regular season game and no acc tourney. 1st playoff game for them always comes after a layoff, if Im Cavs I want to play next week while Nunes is on a roll and the D is in sync which hasnt always been the case. UVA chances are as good as any for chip but still dont trust them on that end especially against a team ie Duke who have o players who knock them off.Shelleneberger also appears to still be hindered some whether its his legs or shoulder . His passing and vision is there and they have weapons but he needs to be close to 100% . Short break hopefully helps him.,

As far as ND, keep hearing how this is the best in years . Offense has more but defense has less imo. They need their share of possessions against the top five and their fogois are not a particular strength. Ill reserve comment on Corrigan other to say that he hasn't won the big game over many long years despite having several very good teams .
With all due respect, are you looking at the same team we general lax fans are? The ND defense is the #1 adjusted team defense in the country. They have a plus 5 ratio (avg between goals for and against vs their opponents), just held the #1 offense in the country to its lowest output. They do not have the "names" of ND past but I would argue your sentiment. They are also playing alot of defense with the FO deficit of this team. Which in my opinion, is their achilles heel. You wont win in May by FO at 38%.



I like ND’s defense; their LSM and SSDM’s are excellent. I LOVE that goalie. Just a heady player. Forget his saves which are great, the kid makes other on field plays which really help his team. With Will Mark, Entenmann is my first team AA goalie to be shared.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 11:23 am
by Farfromgeneva
What happened w Dobson getting shut down yesterday?

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 11:50 am
by Finster
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 11:23 am What happened w Dobson getting shut down yesterday?


He just didn’t seem part of much. He had a few shots. Just a quiet presence out there. I noticed Tevlin and Simmons more.

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 4:31 pm
by jrn19
Couldn’t run by a pole

Re: Notre Dame 2023

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 9:33 pm
by 10stone5
Laxinmay wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 10:50 am
stupefied wrote: Mon May 01, 2023 9:30 am The field factored as well as Nunes being on. Saw slips and not the usual sharp pivots by some. UVA last regular season game and no acc tourney. 1st playoff game for them always comes after a layoff, if Im Cavs I want to play next week while Nunes is on a roll and the D is in sync which hasnt always been the case. UVA chances are as good as any for chip but still dont trust them on that end especially against a team ie Duke who have o players who knock them off.Shelleneberger also appears to still be hindered some whether its his legs or shoulder . His passing and vision is there and they have weapons but he needs to be close to 100% . Short break hopefully helps him.,

As far as ND, keep hearing how this is the best in years . Offense has more but defense has less imo. They need their share of possessions against the top five and their fogois are not a particular strength. Ill reserve comment on Corrigan other to say that he hasn't won the big game over many long years despite having several very good teams .
With all due respect, are you looking at the same team we general lax fans are? The ND defense is the #1 adjusted team defense in the country. They have a plus 5 ratio (avg between goals for and against vs their opponents), just held the #1 offense in the country to its lowest output. They do not have the "names" of ND past but I would argue your sentiment. They are also playing alot of defense with the FO deficit of this team. Which in my opinion, is their achilles heel. You wont win in May by FO at 38%.
I’m with stupified here,
I can think of three defenses at least that are as good or better.

Bowen is 1st team and has proven himself, Entenmann has looked beatable at times, though I’ve seen enough of him to know he can really pick it up at tournament time, the midfield defenders - I’d have to go with the consensus here that they are among the best.