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Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:40 pm
by MDlaxfan76
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:07 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:50 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:01 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:22 am
HooDat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:59 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:05 am
The clean, aggressive prosecutor reopened the case and did not find any violations of Ukraine law, no corrupt acts under Ukraine law.
quell surprise
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:24 am
That said, I'd rather Biden in the Oval Office than say Warren.
I really couldn't stand either one. She is a habitual opportunistic liar and he is ... well he is Biden. Has Trump made us forget all we know about Biden? The guy guy is the D equivalent to Dan Quayle! And we're going to hand him the White House for simply surviving this long? We can do better. The only decent candidates are all long shots right now. But maybe (hopefully) this mess will shine a bright light on how corrupt you have to be to last more than 10 years in DC and we will get better candidates.... maybe, because the "outsider - who happened to be a billionaire - sure as heck wasn't any better or less corrupt.
... I am not holding my breath.
I refer to these two simply because, so far, they are the two most likely to be the Dem candidate.
And if Trump is still on the ballot, I'm voting for any piece of wood (of those currently in the fray) versus pulling the lever for Trump.
You'll be telling us what a great Sec'y of Commerce Hunter will be.
Sorta funny troll, if this wasn’t actually such a serious matter.
Someone's grumpy today...
On this general topic, expect me to stay grumpy.
I'm disgusted by Trump, not amused.
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:15 am
by cradleandshoot
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:40 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:07 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:50 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:01 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:22 am
HooDat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:59 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:05 am
The clean, aggressive prosecutor reopened the case and did not find any violations of Ukraine law, no corrupt acts under Ukraine law.
quell surprise
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:24 am
That said, I'd rather Biden in the Oval Office than say Warren.
I really couldn't stand either one. She is a habitual opportunistic liar and he is ... well he is Biden. Has Trump made us forget all we know about Biden? The guy guy is the D equivalent to Dan Quayle! And we're going to hand him the White House for simply surviving this long? We can do better. The only decent candidates are all long shots right now. But maybe (hopefully) this mess will shine a bright light on how corrupt you have to be to last more than 10 years in DC and we will get better candidates.... maybe, because the "outsider - who happened to be a billionaire - sure as heck wasn't any better or less corrupt.
... I am not holding my breath.
I refer to these two simply because, so far, they are the two most likely to be the Dem candidate.
And if Trump is still on the ballot, I'm voting for any piece of wood (of those currently in the fray) versus pulling the lever for Trump.
You'll be telling us what a great Sec'y of Commerce Hunter will be.
Sorta funny troll, if this wasn’t actually such a serious matter.
Someone's grumpy today...
On this general topic, expect me to stay grumpy.
I'm disgusted by Trump, not amused.
There must be some humor to be found. Everytime Adam Schiff talks about Trump he has that quirky little smile on he face. maybe he actually saw the pictures of the naked Trump.
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:08 am
by foreverlax
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:15 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:40 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:07 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:50 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:01 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:22 am
HooDat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:59 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:05 am
The clean, aggressive prosecutor reopened the case and did not find any violations of Ukraine law, no corrupt acts under Ukraine law.
quell surprise
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:24 am
That said, I'd rather Biden in the Oval Office than say Warren.
I really couldn't stand either one. She is a habitual opportunistic liar and he is ... well he is Biden. Has Trump made us forget all we know about Biden? The guy guy is the D equivalent to Dan Quayle! And we're going to hand him the White House for simply surviving this long? We can do better. The only decent candidates are all long shots right now. But maybe (hopefully) this mess will shine a bright light on how corrupt you have to be to last more than 10 years in DC and we will get better candidates.... maybe, because the "outsider - who happened to be a billionaire - sure as heck wasn't any better or less corrupt.
... I am not holding my breath.
I refer to these two simply because, so far, they are the two most likely to be the Dem candidate.
And if Trump is still on the ballot, I'm voting for any piece of wood (of those currently in the fray) versus pulling the lever for Trump.
You'll be telling us what a great Sec'y of Commerce Hunter will be.
Sorta funny troll, if this wasn’t actually such a serious matter.
Someone's grumpy today...
On this general topic, expect me to stay grumpy.
I'm disgusted by Trump, not amused.
There must be some humor to be found. Everytime Adam Schiff talks about Trump he has that quirky little smile on he face. maybe he actually saw the pictures of the naked Trump.
Like seeing Trump pay the price for his hubris
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:39 am
by jhu72
Really have to laugh at you guys. Joe Biden is one of the least wealthy individuals in DC. However you describe the swamp - he is not the poster child for it. His net worth the last time he stood for election was $900,000 (2012 - there is some dispute as to wether that number is positive or negative). That is a lot less than some on this forum (or potentially a lot less than everyone on this forum)! When in office he always appeared on the list of least wealthy members of congress. His net worth today, after being a private citizen since 2016 is less well known. Like everyone with his years of service, he has likely cashed in with book deals and speaking fees the last 3 years.
Biden is an inarticulate, well meaning, basically honest champion of the working class. Example of the DC swamp, not so much.
I can understand not thinking much of him as a potential president, but knocking him for being an example of the DC swamp is dumb.
http://money.com/money/5642611/joe-bide ... candidate/
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:03 pm
by youthathletics
The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:46 pm
by jhu72
Warren just got a huge bump. Facebook is claiming they will sue the government and Warren if she is elected.
The best news her campaign could get. They might as well give her free ad space.
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:32 am
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:03 pm
The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.
Almost an Onion-like parody.
The 'Trump family', by comparison, actually is a crime family.
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:06 am
by youthathletics
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:32 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:03 pm
The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.
Almost an Onion-like parody.
The 'Trump family', by comparison, actually is a crime family.
Why do you give the Biden's a free pass?
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:13 am
by jhu72
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:32 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:03 pm
The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.
Almost an Onion-like parody.
The 'Trump family', by comparison, actually is a crime family.
Why do you give the Biden's a free pass?
This article is about Joe's younger brother and Hunter. You have no proof of Joe Biden doing anything illegal. This is pure deflection, meant to deflect from the real issue of the day -- why is your traitor of a president such a POS, and why do clown's like you not see it and still support him - oh, yeah I forgot - it's the great economy.
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:21 am
by youthathletics
jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:13 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:32 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:03 pm
The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.
Almost an Onion-like parody.
The 'Trump family', by comparison, actually is a crime family.
Why do you give the Biden's a free pass?
This article is about Joe's younger brother and Hunter. You have no proof of Joe Biden doing anything illegal. This is pure deflection, meant to deflect from the real issue of the day -- why is your traitor of a president such a POS, and why do clown's like you not see it and still support him - oh, yeah I forgot - it's the great economy.
If Trump is guilty of something and it is so apparent, then why do the inquiry...send it to the floor for an immediate vote.
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:23 am
by jhu72
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:21 am
jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:13 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:32 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:03 pm
The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.
Almost an Onion-like parody.
The 'Trump family', by comparison, actually is a crime family.
Why do you give the Biden's a free pass?
This article is about Joe's younger brother and Hunter. You have no proof of Joe Biden doing anything illegal. This is pure deflection, meant to deflect from the real issue of the day -- why is your traitor of a president such a POS, and why do clown's like you not see it and still support him - oh, yeah I forgot - it's the great economy.
If Trump is guilty of something and it is so apparent, then why do the inquiry...send it to the floor for an immediate vote.
I agree!
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:24 am
by MDlaxfan76
jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:13 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:32 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:03 pm
The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.
Almost an Onion-like parody.
The 'Trump family', by comparison, actually is a crime family.
Why do you give the Biden's a free pass?
This article is about Joe's younger brother and Hunter. You have no proof of Joe Biden doing anything illegal. This is pure deflection, meant to deflect from the real issue of the day -- why is your traitor of a president such a POS, and why do clown's like you not see it and still support him - oh, yeah I forgot - it's the great economy.
Let's not call our fellow posters names, '72.
youth,
72's answer is otherwise how I read it too. Dad is not implicated.
I don't give any of this a 'pass' as I think the trading on 'access' or perceived access, is at a minimum unseemly.
But to remotely call any of this 'mob family' behavior is total BS.
As is any attempt to equate what really is a 'crime family' organization, the Trump org.
Lots and lots of known, proven, criminal acts by that family and their cronies.
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:29 am
by MDlaxfan76
jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:23 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:21 am
jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:13 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:32 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:03 pm
The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.
Almost an Onion-like parody.
The 'Trump family', by comparison, actually is a crime family.
Why do you give the Biden's a free pass?
This article is about Joe's younger brother and Hunter. You have no proof of Joe Biden doing anything illegal. This is pure deflection, meant to deflect from the real issue of the day -- why is your traitor of a president such a POS, and why do clown's like you not see it and still support him - oh, yeah I forgot - it's the great economy.
If Trump is guilty of something and it is so apparent, then why do the inquiry...send it to the floor for an immediate vote.
I agree!
Nope, the inquiry is all about persuading the public, and the GOP Senators, that the acts were so egregious as to deserve conviction, not just impeachment.
Look what the inquiry has produced in just one week. We've barely started.
It's also important to do the inquiry in the House as it can't be assumed that the Senate will actually do a full trial, call appropriate witnesses, etc absent getting the facts established going in.
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:36 am
by youthathletics
jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:23 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:21 am
jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:13 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:32 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:03 pm
The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.
Almost an Onion-like parody.
The 'Trump family', by comparison, actually is a crime family.
Why do you give the Biden's a free pass?
This article is about Joe's younger brother and Hunter. You have no proof of Joe Biden doing anything illegal. This is pure deflection, meant to deflect from the real issue of the day -- why is your traitor of a president such a POS, and why do clown's like you not see it and still support him - oh, yeah I forgot - it's the great economy.
If Trump is guilty of something and it is so apparent, then why do the inquiry...send it to the floor for an immediate vote.
I agree!
Me too. And that is where my argument surrounding all this starts. I ask myself, if they are all smarter than us on law....then why have the not? He cannot be guilty until proven innocent, if there is no
clear violation of a statute.
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:39 am
by jhu72
MDlax gave you your answer. I would remind you, to be impeached no criminal violation is necessary. Outrageous, anti-democratic boorish behavior is sufficient. Acting like "The King" is more than sufficient. Of course he has broken the law with his multiple calls for foreign assistance in his political campaign - this is a clearly written law, he has convicted himself by his own words and every lawyer on the planet knows it. Unfortunately we live in a country where a large segment of the population is not real fast on the up take. I don't count you as one of the those. I know you understand this.
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:00 am
by foreverlax
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:36 am
jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:23 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:21 am
jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:13 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:32 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:03 pm
The Biden Crime syndicate....Joe is just the Capo Crimini kicking the cash to family. Funny, how the left uses mafioso analogy for Trump, but Joe has actually been doing it for decades.
Almost an Onion-like parody.
The 'Trump family', by comparison, actually is a crime family.
Why do you give the Biden's a free pass?
This article is about Joe's younger brother and Hunter. You have no proof of Joe Biden doing anything illegal. This is pure deflection, meant to deflect from the real issue of the day -- why is your traitor of a president such a POS, and why do clown's like you not see it and still support him - oh, yeah I forgot - it's the great economy.
If Trump is guilty of something and it is so apparent, then why do the inquiry...send it to the floor for an immediate vote.
I agree!
Me too. And that is where my argument surrounding all this starts. I ask myself, if they are all smarter than us on law....then why have the not? He cannot be guilty until proven innocent, if there is no
clear violation of a statute.
"You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office."
Lindsay Graham's view on impeachment....what has changed?
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:31 am
by cradleandshoot
2020 is heading on a fast track to being the most bizarre POTUS election this country has ever seen. I dont understand why but Trump just loves all this chaos. It seems like infuriating democrats... and a lot of Republicans at the same time.gives him an adrenaline rush. IMO I dont think Trump cares if he wins or loses. He just loves being an agitator. I wish he would go away and do what he inevitably wants to do... cash in from his 4 years in office. So for a person like me here are my options... Trump or Warren/Biden/Sanders. Please... please... please let there be a viable third party candidate. Is there any chance Jim Webb could run as an independant? I bet he could win.
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:59 am
by foreverlax
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:31 am
2020 is heading on a fast track to being the most bizarre POTUS election this country has ever seen. I dont understand why but Trump just loves all this chaos. It seems like infuriating democrats... and a lot of Republicans at the same time.gives him an adrenaline rush. IMO I dont think Trump cares if he wins or loses. He just loves being an agitator. I wish he would go away and do what he inevitably wants to do... cash in from his 4 years in office. So for a person like me here are my options... Trump or Warren/Biden/Sanders. Please... please... please let there be a viable third party candidate. Is there any chance Jim Webb could run as an independant? I bet he could win.
Before he was inaugurated, I really felt/hoped that he would do all he could to be popular, even if it meant pi$$ing off the far right, in other words, ego over party. At his point, Trump's ego is in full control and what he does has very little to do with party or country.
The next to the last thing Trump wants is to go down in history as biggest "Loser"....the last thing he wants to have happen is to count on President Pence pardoning him.
A viable 3rd party candidate could get my vote.
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:10 am
by ggait
C&S -- Don't overthink it. If you are in a swing state, you just vote for the Dem if you want to be rid of Trump. And any of them will be more just fine and massively better than Trump. If not in a swing state, it is fine to protest vote for a third party.
You still need House maj, 60 Senate votes and the Prez to get anything done. While Bernie may dream of Medicare for all, free college, etc. we all know that's never gonna happen in the next 25 years.
Obama had two years with 60 Senate votes and he barely barely got Obamacare passed. And Obamacare is way more moderate than what the Bern talks about. And Obamacare cost Obama his governing majorities and then he got six years of divided govt. Same thing would happen with any Dem president.
You'd get a normal respectable person in the WH (which we currently lack). And you'd get nothing much done (what we currently have) or you'd get maybe a few centrist grand bargains on debt/taxes, immigration or other issues. You'd basically get back to 2013, when things were pretty functional and the GOP (even Hannity!!) acted like normal partisans rather than Trumpsters.
And history shows that our fiscal situation always/only improves when there is divided govt headed by a Dem president -- Clinton/Gingrich, Obama/Boehner/McConnell.
It is pretty simple actually. Just vote for whatever Dem nominee there is. And feel free to vote GOP for Senate and Congress if you want. Although I personally think the GOP needs/deserves to be sent to the time out chair for ever letting the Very Stable Genius take over their party.
Re: 2020 Elections - Being Rigged by The Don
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:25 am
by cradleandshoot
ggait wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:10 am
C&S -- Don't overthink it. If you are in a swing state, you just vote for the Dem if you want to be rid of Trump. And any of them will be more just fine and massively better than Trump. If not in a swing state, it is fine to protest vote for a third party.
You still need House maj, 60 Senate votes and the Prez to get anything done. While Bernie may dream of Medicare for all, free college, etc. we all know that's never gonna happen in the next 25 years.
Obama had two years with 60 Senate votes and he barely barely got Obamacare passed. And Obamacare is way more moderate than what the Bern talks about. And Obamacare cost Obama his governing majorities and then he got six years of divided govt. Same thing would happen with any Dem president.
You'd get a normal respectable person in the WH (which we currently lack). And you'd get nothing much done (what we currently have) or you'd get maybe a few centrist grand bargains on debt/taxes, immigration or other issues. You'd basically get back to 2013, when things were pretty functional and the GOP (even Hannity!!) acted like normal partisans rather than Trumpsters.
And history shows that our fiscal situation always/only improves when there is divided govt headed by a Dem president -- Clinton/Gingrich, Obama/Boehner/McConnell.
It is pretty simple actually. Just vote for whatever Dem nominee there is. And feel free to vote GOP for Senate and Congress if you want. Although I personally think the GOP needs/deserves to be sent to the time out chair for ever letting the Very Stable Genius take over their party.
I know our system of government revolves around checks and balances. I have never believed it to be good for the country to have one party running the show. I disagree with you somewhat about the GOP. I think mainstream DC Republicans despise Trump as much as any Democrat. Trump doesn't play by the established rules. In reality Trump doesn't play by any rules that anyone is aware of. This entire administration is the ultimate definition of FUBAR. It is odd the love hate relationship the media has with the guy. They hate everything about him but they sure love the ratings all the chaos brings in.
