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US Lax Mag article on Junior, mostly about his playing career but here is the relevant section for us:

Grant said Baltimore and Johns Hopkins are the “dream destination for any lacrosse nut,” and that this is the next natural progression in his coaching career.

Ironically, he’s a member of the staff replacing Dave Pietramala, likely the best player-coach combo in men’s lacrosse history. Grant hopes to carve out a similar path.

At the same time, Grant recognizes that he was brought in to help usher in a new era at Hopkins.

“We haven’t gone into this looking at what [the previous staff] did or didn’t do, but we’re looking at this with what we can do,” he said.

“I think I’ve joined forces with two of the best coaches in the country,” Grant added.

Milliman, who had spent the previous seven seasons with Cornell, “lives and breathes the game,” Grant said.

If anyone’s a bigger lax rat than Grant, it’s Milliman. And defensive coordinator Jamison Koesterer? Grant can’t wait to practice against his schemes.

“Jamison is an evil genius on the other end of the field,” Grant said.

https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/pro/mll/j ... s-iron-man

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 8:59 am

nyjay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 12:25 am It probably is BS. But maybe it's not. Who knows? What's wrong with engaging in some idle speculation even if it comes from an anonymous lab on twitter? God knows this forum has seen dumber things said. What the hell else do we have to talk about anyway? Haven't heard anything about the VAC in a couple of weeks. It's certainly more fun that talking politics. But hey, you know, go ahead and dump on people for speculatively responding to speculative things on a stupid anonymous internet forum, which forum I happen to enjoy very much.

There are less Trolls in the Lord of the Rings than there are on this forum.

c'mon now. if we're not allowed some good natured ribbing after a full day of comments and strategy generated from scoop millie, when are we?

stupefied wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:51 am Told highly unlikely . Cornell or pros

millie is still holding the line.

so if well sourced, this would mean teat did not graduate and maybe pulled out of a class or 2? the ivy i believe said no grad students?

did cornell go on record publicly or with athletes privately on this yet?

here's where cornell is for the fall, you can get a sense for which way leaning:
https://cornellsun.com/2020/05/30/corne ... to-reopen/

There was a list of Cornell 2020 graduates circulating online a few days ago and Teat's name was NOT on it. That to me made it more likely he would return to Cornell, as he may have identified some sort of loophole that'd allow him to remain an undergraduate and get his degree in spring of 2021. If he wanted to play elsewhere next season, why not just graduate and then go to a master's program? A year's worth of undergrad tuition at Hopkins is slightly cheaper than the cost of a year at the Carey School of Business, but not that much cheaper (55k vs. 61k, according to the JHU website). Perhaps financial aid packages are also better for undergrads?

FWIW, I heard that "Millie" is a former Providence player, which is how he was able to break the Sean Lahey transfer. But as far as knowing Teat's plans I don't think he actually knows any more than anyone here—which is to say he knows nothing. (Again, hope I'm wrong, but don't think I am).

Won’t believe it without further confirmation.

Anyway, we might know more by now if the Cornell folks weren’t so busy celebrating the Big Red’s recent table top national lacrosse championship. Yes, that’s how far Cornell lacrosse has fallen. Quite sad, really.

Anyway, even without Teat, this Blue Jay team could do a lot of winning in 2021.

With Teat?

No, no ... gonna keep things real.

DocBarrister

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 2:36 pm There was a list of Cornell 2020 graduates circulating online a few days ago and Teat's name was NOT on it.

Correct. It was the Cornell graduation program, which is compiled by the university but is not absolutely guaranteed to be accurate. Every other Cornell lax senior WAS on it though (with Fletcher misspelled as Fletche, but first and middle names matched, so not much doubt).

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 2:52 pm we might know more by now if the Cornell folks weren’t so busy celebrating the Big Red’s recent table top national lacrosse championship. Yes, that’s how far Cornell lacrosse has fallen. Quite sad, really.

It ain't much, doc, but we take what we can get!

CU77 wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 4:41 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 2:36 pm There was a list of Cornell 2020 graduates circulating online a few days ago and Teat's name was NOT on it.

Correct. It was the Cornell graduation program, which is compiled by the university but is not absolutely guaranteed to be accurate. Every other Cornell lax senior WAS on it though (with Fletcher misspelled as Fletche, but first and middle names matched, so not much doubt).

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 2:52 pm we might know more by now if the Cornell folks weren’t so busy celebrating the Big Red’s recent table top national lacrosse championship. Yes, that’s how far Cornell lacrosse has fallen. Quite sad, really.

It ain't much, doc, but we take what we can get!

Completely understand, CU77!

DocBarrister

Interview with Grimes, some good stuff in here. Seems like a good kid, excited to watch him play next year:

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:48 pm Interview with Grimes, some good stuff in here. Seems like a good kid, excited to watch him play next year:

I liked his answer on the GOAT question.

He should bring on JAMO!

No disrespect to these potential transfers, but at most they are 4-5 guys coming in next year. 21-22 are still going to be defined by the 15-25 Petro players and recruits, especially the 2020 guys, and whether milliman can get more out of them than Petro could. One of the stories of the last few years that really remains unresolved is how Petro despite all his experience/accolades in the sport was undone partly by his strength-the defense. ssdm and goalie just became massive black holes for unexplained reasons.

The other issues which are a lot harder and almost ridiculous for a message board to discuss are the leadership/culture issues that Petro would vaguely touch on every fall as he "rebooted the program". 2013, Tinney, Foley, Rapine, it seemed like for the last few years we'd lose a key veteran for unexplained reasons while for more than a decade we've been blown out in ncaa tournament games. I know it's not this message board or expectations nonsense because I've personally spoken with several recent players who laughed about this forum.

jhu06 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:49 am No disrespect to these potential transfers, but at most they are 4-5 guys coming in next year. 21-22 are still going to be defined by the 15-25 Petro players and recruits, especially the 2020 guys, and whether milliman can get more out of them than Petro could. One of the stories of the last few years that really remains unresolved is how Petro despite all his experience/accolades in the sport was undone partly by his strength-the defense. ssdm and goalie just became massive black holes for unexplained reasons.

The other issues which are a lot harder and almost ridiculous for a message board to discuss are the leadership/culture issues that Petro would vaguely touch on every fall as he "rebooted the program". 2013, Tinney, Foley, Rapine, it seemed like for the last few years we'd lose a key veteran for unexplained reasons while for more than a decade we've been blown out in ncaa tournament games. I know it's not this message board or expectations nonsense because I've personally spoken with several recent players who laughed about this forum.

If you’ve talked to players then I would expect you would have heard in addition to laughing about this board (I’ve heard that too) that the problems on the d-end stemmed from a very complicated system that resulted in Petro playing experience and familiarity over talent /athleticism. Now the question is can a DC who is a disciple of Petro simplify the system and get the best athletes on the field. When the captain of your D would be a 3/4 guy at best at another school there is a problem.

flalax22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:58 am

jhu06 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:49 am No disrespect to these potential transfers, but at most they are 4-5 guys coming in next year. 21-22 are still going to be defined by the 15-25 Petro players and recruits, especially the 2020 guys, and whether milliman can get more out of them than Petro could. One of the stories of the last few years that really remains unresolved is how Petro despite all his experience/accolades in the sport was undone partly by his strength-the defense. ssdm and goalie just became massive black holes for unexplained reasons.

The other issues which are a lot harder and almost ridiculous for a message board to discuss are the leadership/culture issues that Petro would vaguely touch on every fall as he "rebooted the program". 2013, Tinney, Foley, Rapine, it seemed like for the last few years we'd lose a key veteran for unexplained reasons while for more than a decade we've been blown out in ncaa tournament games. I know it's not this message board or expectations nonsense because I've personally spoken with several recent players who laughed about this forum.

If you’ve talked to players then I would expect you would have heard in addition to laughing about this board (I’ve heard that too) that the problems on the d-end stemmed from a very complicated system that resulted in Petro playing experience and familiarity over talent /athleticism. Now the question is can a DC who is a disciple of Petro simplify the system and get the best athletes on the field. When the captain of your D would be a 3/4 guy at best at another school there is a problem.

i have a question: If a system is so complicated, then why not keep it simple for players to understand? I have limited lacrosse knowledge in terms of schemes and design but why not change it to a simple design concept of man vs zone so that the players can really discern and understand how every piece operates?

houndace1 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:26 am

flalax22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:58 am

jhu06 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:49 am No disrespect to these potential transfers, but at most they are 4-5 guys coming in next year. 21-22 are still going to be defined by the 15-25 Petro players and recruits, especially the 2020 guys, and whether milliman can get more out of them than Petro could. One of the stories of the last few years that really remains unresolved is how Petro despite all his experience/accolades in the sport was undone partly by his strength-the defense. ssdm and goalie just became massive black holes for unexplained reasons.

The other issues which are a lot harder and almost ridiculous for a message board to discuss are the leadership/culture issues that Petro would vaguely touch on every fall as he "rebooted the program". 2013, Tinney, Foley, Rapine, it seemed like for the last few years we'd lose a key veteran for unexplained reasons while for more than a decade we've been blown out in ncaa tournament games. I know it's not this message board or expectations nonsense because I've personally spoken with several recent players who laughed about this forum.

If you’ve talked to players then I would expect you would have heard in addition to laughing about this board (I’ve heard that too) that the problems on the d-end stemmed from a very complicated system that resulted in Petro playing experience and familiarity over talent /athleticism. Now the question is can a DC who is a disciple of Petro simplify the system and get the best athletes on the field. When the captain of your D would be a 3/4 guy at best at another school there is a problem.

i have a question: If a system is so complicated, then why not keep it simple for players to understand? I have limited lacrosse knowledge in terms of schemes and design but why not change it to a simple design concept of man vs zone so that the players can really discern and understand how every piece operates?

Your post actually employs reason and makes perfect sense ... which means you must be dismissed ... dismissed, I say ... from this Noble Thread.

Off with you, scoundrel!

DocBarrister

houndace1 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:26 am

flalax22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:58 am

jhu06 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:49 am No disrespect to these potential transfers, but at most they are 4-5 guys coming in next year. 21-22 are still going to be defined by the 15-25 Petro players and recruits, especially the 2020 guys, and whether milliman can get more out of them than Petro could. One of the stories of the last few years that really remains unresolved is how Petro despite all his experience/accolades in the sport was undone partly by his strength-the defense. ssdm and goalie just became massive black holes for unexplained reasons.

The other issues which are a lot harder and almost ridiculous for a message board to discuss are the leadership/culture issues that Petro would vaguely touch on every fall as he "rebooted the program". 2013, Tinney, Foley, Rapine, it seemed like for the last few years we'd lose a key veteran for unexplained reasons while for more than a decade we've been blown out in ncaa tournament games. I know it's not this message board or expectations nonsense because I've personally spoken with several recent players who laughed about this forum.

If you’ve talked to players then I would expect you would have heard in addition to laughing about this board (I’ve heard that too) that the problems on the d-end stemmed from a very complicated system that resulted in Petro playing experience and familiarity over talent /athleticism. Now the question is can a DC who is a disciple of Petro simplify the system and get the best athletes on the field. When the captain of your D would be a 3/4 guy at best at another school there is a problem.

i have a question: If a system is so complicated, then why not keep it simple for players to understand? I have limited lacrosse knowledge in terms of schemes and design but why not change it to a simple design concept of man vs zone so that the players can really discern and understand how every piece operates?

It’s a great question. I’m relaying what I’ve heard and from watching them play it sure looks like they are confused and getting yelled often for mistakes. But really who knows if it’s complicated or not but if that is part of the issue I wonder if Jk will be able to simplify it.

flalax22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:07 am

houndace1 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:26 am

flalax22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:58 am

jhu06 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:49 am No disrespect to these potential transfers, but at most they are 4-5 guys coming in next year. 21-22 are still going to be defined by the 15-25 Petro players and recruits, especially the 2020 guys, and whether milliman can get more out of them than Petro could. One of the stories of the last few years that really remains unresolved is how Petro despite all his experience/accolades in the sport was undone partly by his strength-the defense. ssdm and goalie just became massive black holes for unexplained reasons.

The other issues which are a lot harder and almost ridiculous for a message board to discuss are the leadership/culture issues that Petro would vaguely touch on every fall as he "rebooted the program". 2013, Tinney, Foley, Rapine, it seemed like for the last few years we'd lose a key veteran for unexplained reasons while for more than a decade we've been blown out in ncaa tournament games. I know it's not this message board or expectations nonsense because I've personally spoken with several recent players who laughed about this forum.

If you’ve talked to players then I would expect you would have heard in addition to laughing about this board (I’ve heard that too) that the problems on the d-end stemmed from a very complicated system that resulted in Petro playing experience and familiarity over talent /athleticism. Now the question is can a DC who is a disciple of Petro simplify the system and get the best athletes on the field. When the captain of your D would be a 3/4 guy at best at another school there is a problem.

i have a question: If a system is so complicated, then why not keep it simple for players to understand? I have limited lacrosse knowledge in terms of schemes and design but why not change it to a simple design concept of man vs zone so that the players can really discern and understand how every piece operates?

It’s a great question. I’m relaying what I’ve heard and from watching them play it sure looks like they are confused and getting yelled often for mistakes. But really who knows if it’s complicated or not but if that is part of the issue I wonder if Jk will be able to simplify it.

What if it was a really complicated system that the old staff tried to implement? If it really was Coach Petro's system then how come he took the reins of it instead of Coach Dwan who's job title was Defensive Coordinator. I get that in society there is a hierarchy that one is expected to follow, but in this small microcosm case of a lacrosse team, shouldn't the DC be the person coaching, designing, instructing the defense, then the OC coaches the offense, and the HC makes the overarching decisions to make sure the things they manage are headed in the best direction. Not the HC overreaching and over-teaching. Just my two cents.

I always believed that fundamentals will carry a person a long way. Break it down to fundamentals, the building blocks of a profession, of a position, of a new subject you're trying to learn. Simple packages of slides and recoveries to learn and master.

These are smart kids, lacrosse can occasionally be a complex game to master but it's not aerospace engineering. They're not building rockets out there. So IF there was a problem with understanding defensive schemes (I have no clue if that's actually true), then my hunch is the problem was not that the schemes were too hard to learn, but rather that they were not being taught effectively.

Now having said that I think the issues raised, for what feels like the millionth time, can be attributed to other things just as easily: SSDMs who for several years were too small or slow to consistently cover anyone which creates a ripple effect and causes the entire defense to break down, poor goalie play (both in terms of save % and in organizing the defense), poor clearing giving opposing offenses too many "second chances" (which might also be related to poor goalie play), and, most recently, widespread inexperience (2 of 3 close D guys, 1 of 2 LSMs, 2 of 3 SSDMs all with virtually no college PT at those positions until 2020).

With better goaltending and more speed/strength in the middle of the field, something tells me those "complex" schemes won't seem so complex anymore. That won't solve all the problems, but, again, this is lacrosse. It's not some unsolvable equation. With all due respect to our Retriever friends, if Koesterer got solid defensive play out of UMBC, he should be able to figure something out at Homewood. Not saying he will turn what's been an awful unit into an elite one overnight but I don't think it's unrealistic to expect marked improvement over the next couple of seasons.

I have no issue with head coaches also coordinating one side of the ball themselves in theory, but in Petro's case, yes, he probably should have outsourced defensive duties to someone else after '16 or '17 but that probably would have meant canning Dwan to make room for the new guy and that would have NEVER happened, ever.

and what's the explanation/solution for fixing the last game of the season losses by 5+goals, the lockerroom concerns, the team leaders who have to miss seasons?

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:25 am
With better goaltending and more speed/strength in the middle of the field, something tells me those "complex" schemes won't seem so complex anymore. That won't solve all the problems, but, again, this is lacrosse. It's not some unsolvable equation. With all due respect to our Retriever friends, if Koesterer got solid defensive play out of UMBC, he should be able to figure something out at Homewood. Not saying he will turn what's been an awful unit into an elite one overnight but I don't think it's unrealistic to expect marked improvement over the next couple of seasons.

Koesterer's UMBC defense was very active. They slid and recovered quickly, as opposed to sliding to double a man and exposing the back side of their defense to a feed. They slide then get back quickly. They also had very active sticks so they disrupted passing lanes and they were good at getting the ball up off the ground and going right into transition. They held MSM to 5 goals, whereas our defense gave up over 10 to them.
The UMBC defenders were not big but were very active and quick and seemed to play well together as a team.
I think those concepts would work as well at Hopkins next year as they did at UMBC especially with a quality goal tender backing them up.