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njbill wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:27 pm We’ve hit the 220,000 mark.

awesome.......lots and lots more jobs are opening up because of all these deaths.

half of my daughters class have died. from covid. Same for all those locked in dorm rooms, because they tested "postitive", with zero symptoms. dead.

carry on. Casino's are essential

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:53 pm

njbill wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:27 pm We’ve hit the 220,000 mark.

awesome.......lots and lots more jobs are opening up because of all these deaths.

half of my daughters class have died. from covid. Same for all those locked in dorm rooms, because they tested "postitive", with zero symptoms. dead.

carry on. Casino's are essential

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/nevad ... 2020-03-17

https://www.azfamily.com/news/us_world_ ... 90c38.html

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:36 pm

njbill wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:27 pm We’ve hit the 220,000 mark.

Well over half the war dead for the US for WWII. Considering excess deaths, over 2/3.

In a half year...

US involvement in WWII was basically 4 1/2 years (Dec 1941 to summer 1945).

The comparisons to WWII are quite unnecessary. You do realize that no matter how you frame it you are posting that as a reminder to those who you don't think take the virus seriously. On this particular thread, that is a MINORITY. And I promise, those that you perceive don't on this thread, practice good hygiene, wear a mask when it is necessary to do so and take the risks that they feel are worth taking. There is no comparison between WWII and this communicable disease. There is no other purpose to this post, other than to prove some sort of point. Again, just because somebody believes differently in regards to the virus, DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE WRONG! There's no need to consistently remark about the level of deaths we've hit. What in god's name does this accomplish? Again, you've not been the only to post this there have been many. It's a communicable illness, not the black plague. Try and think bigger picture, and spend less time ruminating on what could/shoulda been done. It does zero good, zero.

JoeMauer89!

Speaking of efficacious...

Might want to temper that enthusiasm for the pandemic panacea, my Panglossian friends.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nd=premium

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:14 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:36 pm

njbill wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:27 pm We’ve hit the 220,000 mark.

Well over half the war dead for the US for WWII. Considering excess deaths, over 2/3.

In a half year...

US involvement in WWII was basically 4 1/2 years (Dec 1941 to summer 1945).

The comparisons to WWII are quite unnecessary. You do realize that no matter how you frame it you are posting that as a reminder to those who you don't think take the virus seriously. On this particular thread, that is a MINORITY. And I promise, those that you perceive don't on this thread, practice good hygiene, wear a mask when it is necessary to do so and take the risks that they feel are worth taking. There is no comparison between WWII and this communicable disease. There is no other purpose to this post, other than to prove some sort of point. Again, just because somebody believes differently in regards to the virus, DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE WRONG! There's no need to consistently remark about the level of deaths we've hit. What in god's name does this accomplish? Again, you've not been the only to post this there have been many. It's a communicable illness, not the black plague. Try and think bigger picture, and spend less time ruminating on what could/shoulda been done. It does zero good, zero.

JoeMauer89!

We keep mentioning it because the single biggest cause of the huge number for the US has been the lack of a unified effort based on actual medical and scientific knowledge and data - and the FACT that the current administration bears the largest responsibility for this lack.

It is supposed to offend you. But save your anger for who is responsible.

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:58 pm

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:14 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:36 pm

njbill wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:27 pm We’ve hit the 220,000 mark.

Well over half the war dead for the US for WWII. Considering excess deaths, over 2/3.

In a half year...

US involvement in WWII was basically 4 1/2 years (Dec 1941 to summer 1945).

The comparisons to WWII are quite unnecessary. You do realize that no matter how you frame it you are posting that as a reminder to those who you don't think take the virus seriously. On this particular thread, that is a MINORITY. And I promise, those that you perceive don't on this thread, practice good hygiene, wear a mask when it is necessary to do so and take the risks that they feel are worth taking. There is no comparison between WWII and this communicable disease. There is no other purpose to this post, other than to prove some sort of point. Again, just because somebody believes differently in regards to the virus, DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE WRONG! There's no need to consistently remark about the level of deaths we've hit. What in god's name does this accomplish? Again, you've not been the only to post this there have been many. It's a communicable illness, not the black plague. Try and think bigger picture, and spend less time ruminating on what could/shoulda been done. It does zero good, zero.

JoeMauer89!

We keep mentioning it because the single biggest cause of the huge number for the US has been the lack of a unified effort based on actual medical and scientific knowledge and data - and the FACT that the current administration bears the largest responsibility for this lack.

It is supposed to offend you. But save your anger for who is responsible.

Red,

Not anger, more frustration because, the majority on this thread are so damn ingrained in their ways/beliefs that nothing will change their mind. That's what bothers me. Nobody has a damn clue if any other "administration" would have handled it any better, so like I said it's a waste of time and energy discussing that. It didn't happen on any other administration's watch other than the one that is currently in charge. Actual medical and scientific knowledge are ever changing, I think we have done a damn good job of adapting with it. Again, go with what you see on the ground rather than what is reported. Nearly ALL of the media outlets do not begin to even give clear context or a bigger picture in anything they report on this virus. That is a fact, politics gets in the way at every turn. It's truly sad, because the world is going to continue to spinning long after this is through.

JoeMauer89!

Suddenly Red and the left care about the sanctity of life.

Meanwhile each year 600,000 +++ lives are aborted.

And not a peep from Red about WW2 or allowing those deaths to occur.

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:08 pmRed,

Not anger, more frustration because, the majority on this thread are so damn ingrained in their ways/beliefs that nothing will change their mind. That's what bothers me. Nobody has a damn clue if any other "administration" would have handled it any better, so like I said it's a waste of time and energy discussing that. It didn't happen on any other administration's watch other than the one that is currently in charge. Actual medical and scientific knowledge are ever changing, I think we have done a damn good job of adapting with it. Again, go with what you see on the ground rather than what is reported. Nearly ALL of the media outlets do not begin to even give clear context or a bigger picture in anything they report on this virus. That is a fact, politics gets in the way at every turn. It's truly sad, because the world is going to continue to spinning long after this is through.

JoeMauer89!

I'm sure it feels very frustrating to you. It's frustrating to me too.

While we cannot compare the response to this particular disease to many administrations in our history, we can compare it to how governments across the world have handled it. We are one of the worst as far as total cases, total deaths, cases per capita and deaths per capita.

We're supposed to be the best, to be exceptional, yet the people in charge are presiding over the unnecessary deaths of so many Americans. The "administration" in charge is doing a very poor job, regardless of party affiliation or ideology.

U.K. Moves Closer to Infect Healthy People With Covid to Aid Vaccine Efforts

Britain is moving closer to carrying out studies that would intentionally infect healthy people with the virus to help researchers in their quest for Covid-19 vaccines, and thousands of volunteers like Greer, a chemistry student at Durham University in northeast England, are ready to go. Open Orphan Plc, parent of human challenge trial specialist hVivo, has said it’s in talks with potential customers including the U.K. to conduct tests of Covid shots.

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:46 pm Speaking of efficacious...

Might want to temper that enthusiasm for the pandemic panacea, my Panglossian friends.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nd=premium

Why would this be so surprising? Again, there is much we do not know about what or why this trial stopped. Was the participant in the placebo or vaccine wing? Underlying conditions? What is the denominator? 1 out of how many injected?

This is actually a good thing, imo. Pauses like this are said to be common in this line of inquiry. If one is to believe the idea is to have the development of a safe vaccine then this is certainly a good pause. It will hopefully give the public confidence that the trials are moving along with safety in mind cause if the the public perception is that it is not........it does not matter if the vaccine will work or not as no one will take it.

The vector J & J is using is an adenovirus vector. This particular vector has been used in animal vaccine but has yet to be licensed in human use in the US. IT was originally proposed to deliver genes for rare genetic diseases. New'ish technology in humans.......good to take it slow.

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:08 pm That is a fact, politics gets in the way at every turn. It's truly sad, because the world is going to continue to spinning long after this is through.

JoeMauer89!

Yeah, but who is gonna be left on the ride?

holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:16 am

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:08 pmRed,

Not anger, more frustration because, the majority on this thread are so damn ingrained in their ways/beliefs that nothing will change their mind. That's what bothers me. Nobody has a damn clue if any other "administration" would have handled it any better, so like I said it's a waste of time and energy discussing that. It didn't happen on any other administration's watch other than the one that is currently in charge. Actual medical and scientific knowledge are ever changing, I think we have done a damn good job of adapting with it. Again, go with what you see on the ground rather than what is reported. Nearly ALL of the media outlets do not begin to even give clear context or a bigger picture in anything they report on this virus. That is a fact, politics gets in the way at every turn. It's truly sad, because the world is going to continue to spinning long after this is through.

JoeMauer89!

I'm sure it feels very frustrating to you. It's frustrating to me too.

While we cannot compare the response to this particular disease to many administrations in our history, we can compare it to how governments across the world have handled it. We are one of the worst as far as total cases, total deaths, cases per capita and deaths per capita.

We're supposed to be the best, to be exceptional, yet the people in charge are presiding over the unnecessary deaths of so many Americans. The "administration" in charge is doing a very poor job, regardless of party affiliation or ideology.

+1. Exactly.

seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:01 am

holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:16 am

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:08 pmRed,

Not anger, more frustration because, the majority on this thread are so damn ingrained in their ways/beliefs that nothing will change their mind. That's what bothers me. Nobody has a damn clue if any other "administration" would have handled it any better, so like I said it's a waste of time and energy discussing that. It didn't happen on any other administration's watch other than the one that is currently in charge. Actual medical and scientific knowledge are ever changing, I think we have done a damn good job of adapting with it. Again, go with what you see on the ground rather than what is reported. Nearly ALL of the media outlets do not begin to even give clear context or a bigger picture in anything they report on this virus. That is a fact, politics gets in the way at every turn. It's truly sad, because the world is going to continue to spinning long after this is through.

JoeMauer89!

I'm sure it feels very frustrating to you. It's frustrating to me too.

While we cannot compare the response to this particular disease to many administrations in our history, we can compare it to how governments across the world have handled it. We are one of the worst as far as total cases, total deaths, cases per capita and deaths per capita.

We're supposed to be the best, to be exceptional, yet the people in charge are presiding over the unnecessary deaths of so many Americans. The "administration" in charge is doing a very poor job, regardless of party affiliation or ideology.

+1. Exactly.

All of a sudden we “settle” for poor results.

Bart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:29 am

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:46 pm Speaking of efficacious...

Might want to temper that enthusiasm for the pandemic panacea, my Panglossian friends.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nd=premium

Why would this be so surprising? Again, there is much we do not know about what or why this trial stopped. Was the participant in the placebo or vaccine wing? Underlying conditions? What is the denominator? 1 out of how many injected?

This is actually a good thing, imo. Pauses like this are said to be common in this line of inquiry. If one is to believe the idea is to have the development of a safe vaccine then this is certainly a good pause. It will hopefully give the public confidence that the trials are moving along with safety in mind cause if the the public perception is that it is not........it does not matter if the vaccine will work or not as no one will take it.

The vector J & J is using is an adenovirus vector. This particular vector has been used in animal vaccine but has yet to be licensed in human use in the US. IT was originally proposed to deliver genes for rare genetic diseases. New'ish technology in humans.......good to take it slow.

i'm pretty sure that's what he meant. he seems happy that vaccine trials might be able help out with a deadly virus and with an aim on safety.

holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:16 am

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:08 pmRed,

Not anger, more frustration because, the majority on this thread are so damn ingrained in their ways/beliefs that nothing will change their mind. That's what bothers me. Nobody has a damn clue if any other "administration" would have handled it any better, so like I said it's a waste of time and energy discussing that. It didn't happen on any other administration's watch other than the one that is currently in charge. Actual medical and scientific knowledge are ever changing, I think we have done a damn good job of adapting with it. Again, go with what you see on the ground rather than what is reported. Nearly ALL of the media outlets do not begin to even give clear context or a bigger picture in anything they report on this virus. That is a fact, politics gets in the way at every turn. It's truly sad, because the world is going to continue to spinning long after this is through.

JoeMauer89!

I'm sure it feels very frustrating to you. It's frustrating to me too.

While we cannot compare the response to this particular disease to many administrations in our history, we can compare it to how governments across the world have handled it. We are one of the worst as far as total cases, total deaths, cases per capita and deaths per capita.

We're supposed to be the best, to be exceptional, yet the people in charge are presiding over the unnecessary deaths of so many Americans. The "administration" in charge is doing a very poor job, regardless of party affiliation or ideology.

This sums up my frustration well.

While the comparisons to other traumatic, loss of life events in the history of the USA may seem beyond the point, they are indeed to provide context to the magnitude of what is happening.

Just as we look back at the horrors of trench warfare in WWI and critique the amazingly awful tactics of charging 100 yards into machine gunfire only to gain a new trench, we are critiquing in real-time the tragically awful tactics of the leaders during this particular brutally difficult challenge.

These decisions are not inevitable, and we have ample evidence that our current political leadership has been abysmal in contrast with that of other leaders and tactics around the world. We should be better, not worse.

And too many of our fellow citizens have not followed the behaviors Joe has described as appropriate, but rather have let their 'beliefs' informed by that awful leadership drive them to behaviors that have endangered and encumbered all the rest of us. Yes, those "beliefs" are wrong and they are dangerously so.

Fortunately, we do have an opportunity to change out this leadership.

seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:55 pm https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... f=L459Uwzi

Thanks, good review of our current status.

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:14 pm Try and think bigger picture, and spend less time ruminating on what could/shoulda been done. It does zero good, zero.

We're about 7 months in. Are we ready for winter, Joe? THAT is what you should focus on.

Right now? Economically speaking, we are NOT ready for winter. Focus on that.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:00 pm

seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:55 pm https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... f=L459Uwzi

Thanks, good review of our current status.

Why focus on the negative! Wishful thinking is what matters.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:05 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:00 pm

seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:55 pm https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... f=L459Uwzi

Thanks, good review of our current status.

Why focus on the negative! Wishful thinking is what matters.

pretty confusing what the author means about worst on fatality. since may 10th, i guess?