Nope, most of the fentanyl illegally making its way to the US is coming from ports of entry. Mostly by post. This was a huge canard about the southern border.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:13 amYou are not doing a very good job of thinking a move or two ahead, you seem too worried to find blame with anything Trump or fit in a reference to fox news. If we lock down or significantly slow down China import of fentanyl , then I ask you "how does it then try and make its way here".....BINGO? the new primary way is the southern border, and who is receiving the good form China...BINGO, the cartels, and how do they get it here if we are also more scrutinized on our southern border.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:47 amI'm 100% in favor with battling this scourge. So, I'm loathe to be overly critical of any legit efforts to actually accomplish improvement.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:08 amAttacking it on both fronts in one swoop. Bottom line, fighting for safety of our nation.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:00 pmInteresting...so, the drugs don't come over the border?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:30 amThe story continues.....Trump Plans Crackdown on Fentanyl Shipments from China, OthersMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:45 pmI think we can all agree that the cartels are brutal organizations which use violence as a major part of their business model. And deserve the toughest of responses.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:58 amMore from Chip Roy...youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:27 pm Great friggen idea. https://roy.house.gov/media/press-relea ... error-list
Reps. Chip Roy and Mark Green Request Drug Cartels Be Added To Terror List
Why do these specific cartels qualify as a Foreign Terrorist Organizations? They:
- are a foreign organization.
- meet the definition of ‘terrorism’ and engage in terrorist activity as defined by (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)) and (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)) of the U.S. code.
But should we really confuse crime organizations whose motivations are $ with ideologically motivated violence?
Are they really the same thing?
Why conflate the two? Can't we walk and chew gum?
The Trump administration is considering an executive order to crack down on shipments of fentanyl and counterfeit goods, according to people familiar with the matter, a move aimed in part at pressuring China to help the U.S. combat its opioid epidemic...
...Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro, who is leading the effort on the executive order, often refers to the sale of fentanyl as one of what he calls China’s “seven deadly sins.” People briefed on the order said it’s likely China would retaliate against the U.S. move.
"The draft order would target foreign shippers routing deliveries through the U.S. Postal Service -- not the two-largest U.S. couriers United Parcel Service Inc. and FedEx Corp., according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. One person familiar with the proposal said that China is a focus for the action, though the presidential order is not limited to that nation."
But really?
You guys have been claiming the fentanyl is coming over the southern border. That's not the primary way. It comes by air.
It's going to continue to come, by whatever means, as long as there are enormous profits to be made.
Why is Trump not interested in what FedEx and UPS do, just USPS? I hate to say it, but this appears to be just a posturing move, a way to tell Fox viewers that he's "doing something" and at the same time accuse the Chinese of being bad folks, the 'enemy'.
Our problem with opioids is of our making, and there's some reckoning with that finally happening. But we're not going to break the back of illegal drug trafficking until we decriminalize drug usage and take the profit out of the criminal networks. And we need to treat addiction as a public health crisis.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time....I believe I have heard that from someone on the forum once before.Enjoy your Sunday MD!
The problem is that it's very, very dense, so it's super easy to ship and to hide.
I don't have any objection to trying to stem the flow, but we know darn well that where there are huge profits to be made there's no way to "win the drug war". It's just a 'feel good', 'act tough' move. And OBTW has the added benefit of demonizing the Chinese.
Just don't kid yourself about the reality.
Now, I do think that we can legitimately ask the Chinese to crack down on the criminals within China who are involved. That's a very legit ask. It's just not something that we should be belligerent about.
