Re: Religion in America
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:54 am
By example:youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:05 amWhat Christian wars have there been in the last ~400 years? Further, all many of those Christian wars were primarily fought against the bending of the knee hierarchy....they turned out successfully, in our favor, arguably so you and I can post here.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 7:43 amJust another form of bending the knee. The issue is control. The wars around religion are just the apotheosis of the control impulse: conform or be dead. Nice, right?youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:47 amI know right, why put up a fight over something that is said to be make believe, makes no sense.
Fast forward.....if history is an indicator of the future, it presents the dichotomy of (radical/calculated) islam and jihaad, which is currently clear and present danger....the 20 year GWOT is a prime example. And we are told, that anyone not from that portion of the globe simply does not understand them...as if, leave them alone and allow radicalism to prevail.
So yes, the church at that time wanted 'control' and Jesus, people like Martin Luther rightfully challenged them.
I think we agree here, but lumping in 2000 years of history may have us talking past one another.
B/c I assumed you would know your history as it relates to this topic, evidentially you do not. ML left / fought against the catholic church for many reasons, of significance, their 'control' of the selling of indulgences for forgiveness.
What Christian wars have there been in the last ~400 years? Further, all many of those Christian wars were primarily fought against the bending of the knee hierarchy...
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 11:48 amWhat Christian wars have there been in the last ~400 years? Further, all many of those Christian wars were primarily fought against the bending of the knee hierarchy...
A certain character who proclaimed himself a modern day Messiah had a certain way of exterminating Jews in the name of Christ about 80 years or so ago. Nasty guy for damn sure.
... good story!3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:17 pm I defined myself as a religious Apathist since I learned the definition of the word Apathy. IOW I care about as much about your dogma and beliefs as I do about Buzkashi. I feel bad for the goat, but not that much.
But I have patience.
Example: When my kids were small, our little family of 4 was known to take the occasional meal at the local Micky-D’s. Right after we sat down with our meals, 4 furtive looking men toting heavy books larded with bookmarks came in with a little girl roughly my offsprings age.
The girl was dressed in her Sunday best and looked beyond anxious. The guys weren’t looking at the menus. They were looking at the diners. I had them in my side eye.
Long story short, the little girl got vectored at our table and began to aggressively proselytize in a timid voice at us. A sweet frightened little creature trying to hector us. The Former Trophy Bride was trying not to laugh. I felt just awful for her and asked leading questions – buying questions, for us who’ve worked in commerce – so we didn’t appear as hostile as she feared we were. My eldest son, who was all of 8 at the time, soon groked her underlying message and interjected “Wanna go play in the play room?” That broke the ice and the 3 kids frolicked off.
The grim men with the bookmarked Bibles then descended on us hoping to save the mission before retrieving their charge. More practiced hectoring ensued. Thankfully, the Former Trophy Bride excoriated them for child abuse. Loudly. 110 lbs. of pulchritude and fury. She drove them out the doors they’d come in without ever mentioning salvation and then marched back in, retrieved the little girl, and marched her out to the befuddled proselytizing team. When she returned, she was greeted with scattered applause.
Whatever patience I had with evangelical proselytizing ended that day. I’m good with folks who honor their Gods and respect their Dogmas and keep it to themselves, but please keep it to yourself.
Shame on you... your never going to plant your 1000 dollar seed? The Sunday morning evangelist promised that you will be richly rewarded. For a 1000 dollars God doesn't care if your an atheist.jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 12:29 pm... good story!3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:17 pm I defined myself as a religious Apathist since I learned the definition of the word Apathy. IOW I care about as much about your dogma and beliefs as I do about Buzkashi. I feel bad for the goat, but not that much.
But I have patience.
Example: When my kids were small, our little family of 4 was known to take the occasional meal at the local Micky-D’s. Right after we sat down with our meals, 4 furtive looking men toting heavy books larded with bookmarks came in with a little girl roughly my offsprings age.
The girl was dressed in her Sunday best and looked beyond anxious. The guys weren’t looking at the menus. They were looking at the diners. I had them in my side eye.
Long story short, the little girl got vectored at our table and began to aggressively proselytize in a timid voice at us. A sweet frightened little creature trying to hector us. The Former Trophy Bride was trying not to laugh. I felt just awful for her and asked leading questions – buying questions, for us who’ve worked in commerce – so we didn’t appear as hostile as she feared we were. My eldest son, who was all of 8 at the time, soon groked her underlying message and interjected “Wanna go play in the play room?” That broke the ice and the 3 kids frolicked off.
The grim men with the bookmarked Bibles then descended on us hoping to save the mission before retrieving their charge. More practiced hectoring ensued. Thankfully, the Former Trophy Bride excoriated them for child abuse. Loudly. 110 lbs. of pulchritude and fury. She drove them out the doors they’d come in without ever mentioning salvation and then marched back in, retrieved the little girl, and marched her out to the befuddled proselytizing team. When she returned, she was greeted with scattered applause.
Whatever patience I had with evangelical proselytizing ended that day. I’m good with folks who honor their Gods and respect their Dogmas and keep it to themselves, but please keep it to yourself.
jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:06 pm
Opus Dei had a seat at the table in writing 2025 plan. How nice.
... for those who don't know, Opus Dei was founded and grew up in Franco's Spain. A number of Opus Dei members were Franco cabinet members and supporters of Franco's fascism. During the period Jesuit leadership considered Opus Dei the "Church of Spain" and a problem for the Catholic Church as a whole.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:20 pmjhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:06 pm
Opus Dei had a seat at the table in writing 2025 plan. How nice.
Pushing “fentanyl for the masses” via the communion wafers — “take and eat, this is my body”?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:20 pmjhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:06 pm
Opus Dei had a seat at the table in writing 2025 plan. How nice.
Good to have the thoughts of the pre-Copernican crowd. Swell.jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:06 pm
Opus Dei had a seat at the table in writing 2025 plan. How nice.
Basically you were wrong again. But suppose i credit your “assumption” is accurate where does that leave you for making it?youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:22 amB/c I assumed you would know your history as it relates to this topic, evidentially you do not. ML left / fought against the catholic church for many reasons, of significance, their 'control' of the selling of indulgences for forgiveness.
This may help you, from our childhood era of teaching: https://www.britannica.com/summary/Refo ... 0authority.
3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 12:01 pmBrooklyn wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 11:48 amWhat Christian wars have there been in the last ~400 years? Further, all many of those Christian wars were primarily fought against the bending of the knee hierarchy...
A certain character who proclaimed himself a modern day Messiah had a certain way of exterminating Jews in the name of Christ about 80 years or so ago. Nasty guy for damn sure.
On every Wehrmacht Soldiers belt buckle.