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Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:50 pm
by a fan
Kismet wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:31 pm https://www.salon.com/2021/12/08/us-pol ... ing-point/

"The political divide in the United States has become irreconcilable, study says.
The U.S. is at dangerous "level of polarization,” political scientists warn"
It's not policy driven. It's team TinFoil on one side, and the rest of us who can add and subtract on the other. Polarization connotes policy differences, and underlying values and ideas. TinFoil hat doesn't care about policy, and will make any policy----no matter what the policy is----based on little R's next to the policymaker's name.

That's why its unfixable. TeamTinFoil can't even tell you what the underlying problems are.

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:52 pm
by youthathletics
Kismet wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:31 pm https://www.salon.com/2021/12/08/us-pol ... ing-point/

"The political divide in the United States has become irreconcilable, study says.
The U.S. is at dangerous "level of polarization,” political scientists warn"
"According to a theoretical model's findings" really?

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:07 pm
by jhu72
a fan wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:50 pm
Kismet wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:31 pm https://www.salon.com/2021/12/08/us-pol ... ing-point/

"The political divide in the United States has become irreconcilable, study says.
The U.S. is at dangerous "level of polarization,” political scientists warn"
It's not policy driven. It's team TinFoil on one side, and the rest of us who can add and subtract on the other. Polarization connotes policy differences, and underlying values and ideas. TinFoil hat doesn't care about policy, and will make any policy----no matter what the policy is----based on little R's next to the policymaker's name.

That's why its unfixable. TeamTinFoil can't even tell you what the underlying problems are.
yup.

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:19 am
by seacoaster
Opinion from the Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/opin ... l-surfaces

"The foreign-policy journalist Joshua Keating used to write a series for Slate called “If It Happened There,” in which he reported on political and cultural developments in the United States in the tone of an American foreign correspondent sending dispatches from a nation on the other side of the globe.

Keating’s series was partly a joke about Western paternalism. But by illuminating the terrifying fragility of our own glass house, the trope also offered Americans the powerful gift of perspective. For instance, see how Keating’s headline on the death of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia — “Death of Hard-Line Jurist Throws Regime Into Chaos” — neatly underlined the quaint capriciousness of a political system in which one unelected judge’s sudden demise can call into question fundamental rights across the land.

As an immigrant to the United States from one of the world’s long-troubled regions, I’ve found myself thinking of Keating’s series quite a lot this year. Adopting an outsider’s point of view has helped to clarify the terrible stakes of the political game now playing out across the country — and has filled me with a sense of deep despair and foreboding.

Because if the assaults on democracy that occurred in America in 2021 had happened in another country, academics, diplomats and activists from around the world would be tearing their hair out over the nation’s apparent unraveling. If you were a reporter summing up this American moment for readers back home in Mumbai, Johannesburg or Jakarta, you’d have to ask whether the country is on the brink: A decade from now, will the world say that 2021 was the year the United States squandered its democracy?

If that sounds hyperbolic, consider the year’s many lowlights. Begin, of course, on Jan. 6: “Followers of Ousted President Storm National Legislature.” Then, when Republicans in Congress turned against an independent inquiry into the Capitol attack and punished the few in their party who supported it: “Bowing to Former Strongman, Opposition Blocks Coup Investigation, Expels Dissenters.” Or when, despite turning up no evidence of significant electoral mischief in the 2020 presidential election, Republican-led legislatures in more than a dozen states began pushing new laws to restrict voting rights, including several that put partisan officials in charge of election administration: “Provincial Lawmakers Alter Election Rules to Favor Deposed Premier.”

And then last month, when more than 150 academic scholars of democracy put out a letter urging Congress to pass legislation to protect American elections from partisan takeover. Headline: “Experts Sound Alarm Over Democratic Backsliding in Nuclear-Armed Superpower.” Pull quote: “This is no ordinary moment in the course of our democracy,” the scholars wrote. “It is a moment of great peril and risk.”

I’m a through-and-through lefty, but I want to emphasize that my concern here is not really a partisan one. There are some places where Democrats are also monkeying with electoral machinery in a partisan manner — in Illinois, Democrats redrew congressional districts to overwhelmingly favor their party. In some ways these efforts anger me more than the Republican tricks, because they undermine the left’s moral standing to uphold electoral integrity. And upholding democratic integrity ought to be a paramount goal — because without it the basic idea of America, that this is a nation of laws by and for the people, would fall apart.

There’s another reason I’m more upset at the left than the right: Republicans are acting unethically, but also rationally, out of political necessity. They see their coalition diminishing. The Republican base is white and Christian in a nation that is growing more diverse and less religious. The party has lost the popular vote in all but one presidential election since 1992. Its fortunes would seem to depend on reducing access to the polls and, if that fails, on embracing the electoral strategy Donald Trump made explicit in 2020 — when the results don’t go the way you like, push to overturn them.

The Democrats’ survival depends on the very opposite idea: on letting people vote, counting their votes and respecting the count. In this sense Democratic efforts to expand and uphold voting rights ought to be just as urgent as the Republicans’ efforts to restrict them.

Yet that is not the case: While Republicans have put the undermining of democracy at the top of their political agenda, Democrats appear to have put voting rights at the bottom of theirs.

“I regard this as the great political clash of our time,” said Michael Waldman, the president of the Brennan Center for Justice at N.Y.U. School of Law, a policy institute that focuses on democracy and political reform. “On the one hand you have states rushing to restrict the vote or change who counts the vote. On the other hand, you have Congress, which has the power to stop it cold, legally and constitutionally.” The important question, Waldman said, is whether the Democrats have the political will to stop it.

“So far, the answer would seem to be, not yet,” he said.

President Biden offered a strong defense of voting rights in a speech in July. He called Republican efforts to put partisan officials in charge of election results “the most dangerous threat to voting and the integrity of free and fair elections in our history.” He called passing strong federal election rules “a national imperative.”

And then, crickets. Biden has said little in public since then about the issue. The Freedom to Vote Act, the Democrats’ comprehensive proposal to protect voting rights and undo Republican anti-democratic efforts, is stalled in the Senate. In their letter, the democracy scholars called on Democrats to suspend the filibuster in order to pass the bill, but that seems increasingly unlikely — Senators Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona have repeatedly said they oppose that idea.

If Democrats fail to uphold the integrity of our elections, what then? I fear total loss. Not for the party, but for the country. If Republicans prevail, America will become one of those faraway, seemingly lawless places where every election is in doubt and no part of our political culture remains above the partisan fray.

“It’s like the Titanic,” said Pippa Norris, a political scientist at Harvard who was a signatory of the letter urging passage of the Freedom to Vote Act. “We know there’s an iceberg out there. We’re looking at it. It’s in our faces and it’s getting closer.”

Democrats have a narrow window now to “recognize the existential threat not just to their party but to the country as a whole,” she said. “But if they don’t do that, then the ship is going to hit the iceberg.” And then we’re all sunk."

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:10 am
by seacoaster
North Carolina Supreme Court orders delay in primary, so it can review the GOP gerrymander:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... stricting/

"North Carolina’s Supreme Court on Wednesday ordered the state to bump its primary from March 8 to May 17, delaying what could be fiercely competitive races amid legal challenges to newly drawn political maps critics say are unconstitutional.

Delaying the primary, according to the court, will allow the state time to settle a pair of lawsuits challenging a Republican-led effort to redraw maps for seats in Congress and for North Carolina’s General Assembly. The decision to push back the March primary 10 weeks was based on “great public interest” in the cases, which the Supreme Court’s order adds should be resolved “at the earliest possible opportunity.”

The judges hearing those cases must make their rulings by Jan. 11, the order adds.

The directive delays all primary races across the state, not just those in areas affected by the redistricting. The move also puts a freeze on new candidate filings for anyone running for office in North Carolina in 2022. After the filing period opened on Monday, the State Board of Elections said more than 1,400 candidates filed to run. Those who already processed their paperwork should not have to refile.

The lawsuits challenging North Carolina’s redrawn maps were filed this past fall, The Washington Post reported. The suit filed in October by the North Carolina NAACP, Common Cause and a group of voters claims lawmakers failed to consider racial data when drawing the new maps. The North Carolina League of Conservation Voters filed a second lawsuit in November alleging the state’s General Assembly was grouping Black voters in some districts while breaking up Black voting blocs in others to weaken their electoral power.

Legal battles over redistricting are playing out in other states, too, as Democrats and Republicans seek to draw new political maps before next year’s midterms and the 2024 presidential race. The Justice Department sued Texas this month, claiming Republican lawmakers there discriminated against minorities when approving new congressional and state districts. And as the Virginia Supreme Court redraws state maps, Democrats there requested Republican nominees tapped to assist be removed over political conflicts of interest.

North Carolina’s redistricting maps faced immediate criticism when they were finalized on Nov. 4. The newly carved boundaries could give Republicans at least two more congressional seats in the House and help the GOP hold on to state-office majorities, the Associated Press reported.

The state will also pick up another congressional seat because of North Carolina’s population growth following Census Bureau results released this year. If a Republican is elected to the seat, Democrats would be closer to losing their narrow control of the House.

Candidates in North Carolina will also compete for a pivotal U.S. Senate seat in 2022, which could affect which party controls that chamber.

According to the AP, Republican state Sen. Ralph Hise said GOP lawmakers “complied with the law” when drawing the new maps, which could shape election outcomes for a decade. Others, including Rep. G.K. Butterfield (D-N.C.), slammed the maps as “racially gerrymandered.” Butterfield announced last month he would not seek reelection in 2022 after his 1st Congressional District was redrawn.

“The map that was recently enacted by the legislature is a partisan map,” Butterfield said, adding that “it will disadvantage African American communities.”

Redistricting battles in North Carolina are common. Robert Joyce, a professor at the University of North Carolina’s School of Government, told WUNC in July that North Carolina “has been in the courts on the question of redistricting — and especially on the question of racial discrimination in redistricting — more than any other state.”

Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper issued a statement Wednesday in support of the Supreme Court order, saying it “restores faith in the rule of law,” calling it necessary for the court to rule on “the constitutionality of these unfair districts before the next election.”

North Carolina House Speaker Tim Moore, a Republican, called the order to move the election deeply disappointing.

“To throw this process into chaos in the middle of filing leaves North Carolinians with uncertainty ahead of the election,” he said. “Despite this delay, we are confident that we will prevail at trial and our maps will stand.”

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:14 pm
by Brooklyn
family values Republicon convicted of child porn:

Reality TV's Josh Duggar convicted of child porn possession

Former reality TV star Josh Duggar was immediately taken into custody Thursday after a federal jury convicted him of downloading and possessing child pornography.

The jury in Fayetteville, about 140 miles (225 kilometers) northwest of Little Rock, found the 33-year-old Duggar guilty on one count each of receiving and possessing child pornography. He faces up to 20 years in prison and fines of up to $250,000 for each count when he’s sentenced.

U.S. District Judge Timothy Brooks said sentencing will happen in about four months, Fayetteville TV station KNWA reported.

Duggar and his large Arkansas family starred on TLC’s “19 Kids and Counting” until the network canceled the show in 2015 following revelations that he had molested four of his sisters and a babysitter. Authorities began investigating the abuse in 2006 after receiving a tip from a family friend but concluded that the statute of limitations on any possible charges had expired.


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https://apnews.com/article/josh-duggar- ... 7af33bda78

no surprise

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:50 pm
by seacoaster

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:18 pm
by MDlaxfan76
seacoaster wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:50 pm Where are you?

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/qu ... ign=buffer
Apparently I'm an "Establishment Liberal"; probably because I'm ok with modestly larger government and my current view of "Republicans" being so negative, which also pushed me into positive territory with Dems. Only had a couple of areas that I'd otherwise be significantly different from that label, particularly superpower status, etc.

Would have come out differently pre Trump era.

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:08 pm
by youthathletics
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:18 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:50 pm Where are you?

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/qu ... ign=buffer
Apparently I'm an "Establishment Liberal"; probably because I'm ok with modestly larger government and my current view of "Republicans" being so negative, which also pushed me into positive territory with Dems. Only had a couple of areas that I'd otherwise be significantly different from that label, particularly superpower status, etc.

Would have come out differently pre Trump era.
See...maybe you'll listen to that quiz, since you refuse to listen to us. ;) :lol:

I was....Ambivalent Right
On issues ranging from the size of the federal government to views about business, gender and race, Ambivalent Right hold many views that are largely consistent with core conservative values. Yet they also hold more moderate stances on several social issues like abortion and same-sex marriage, and they differ from some other segments of the GOP coalition in their more internationalist view of foreign policy and less restrictive stance on immigration.
Ambivalent Right are distinct from other Republican-oriented groups in their views of Donald Trump. While large majorities of each of the other Republican-oriented groups say they feel warmly toward Trump, Ambivalent Right are much less likely to say this.

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:22 pm
by seacoaster
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:18 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:50 pm Where are you?

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/qu ... ign=buffer
Apparently I'm an "Establishment Liberal"; probably because I'm ok with modestly larger government and my current view of "Republicans" being so negative, which also pushed me into positive territory with Dems. Only had a couple of areas that I'd otherwise be significantly different from that label, particularly superpower status, etc.

Would have come out differently pre Trump era.
Yup, the question about "Republicans" was less than perfect really. I work at a law firm in New Hampshire, and many, many of my partners are registered Republicans -- Jack Kemp, Bush 1, McCain, Rockefeller and Eisenhower types. But when I read the polling of GOP support for the Moron, and hatred for their fellow citizens left of center, well, hard to answer without chucking "Republicans" into the waste bin. I am, believe it or no, really unhappy about this. On the social issues I line up basically with Democrats. On the issues of military preparedness, extension of our power through treaties and agreements and other economic interconnections, I am -- or was -- more in the center right. Now, all "GOP" means to me is demonization of the left, and a highway toward a form of authoritarianism.

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:47 pm
by seacoaster
Third world stuff here. The video and the threats are just bonkers:

https://www.reuters.com/business/media- ... 021-12-10/

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:50 pm
by ardilla secreta
seacoaster wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:50 pm Where are you?

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/qu ... ign=buffer
I got bacon lover.

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:06 pm
by Farfromgeneva
ardilla secreta wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:50 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:50 pm Where are you?

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/qu ... ign=buffer
I got bacon lover.
The questions on here are worded like trash on fire but I did it anyway to contribute to the manufactured information load.

Your best fit is…
Ambivalent Right
… along with 12% of the public

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:35 pm
by jhu72
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:18 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:50 pm Where are you?

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/qu ... ign=buffer
Apparently I'm an "Establishment Liberal"; probably because I'm ok with modestly larger government and my current view of "Republicans" being so negative, which also pushed me into positive territory with Dems. Only had a couple of areas that I'd otherwise be significantly different from that label, particularly superpower status, etc.

Would have come out differently pre Trump era.
... same here, welcome to the club. I guess that translates into a C&S FLP. :lol: :lol:

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:40 pm
by seacoaster
ardilla secreta wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:50 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:50 pm Where are you?

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/qu ... ign=buffer
I got bacon lover.
Nice. Even politics is better with thick cut bacon.

I was something called “Democratic Mainstay” — definitely FLP to C&S.

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:11 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
seacoaster wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:40 pm
ardilla secreta wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:50 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:50 pm Where are you?

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/qu ... ign=buffer
I got bacon lover.
Nice. Even politics is better with thick cut bacon.

I was something called “Democratic Mainstay” — definitely FLP to C&S.
Establishment Liberal was mine.

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:23 pm
by PizzaSnake
seacoaster wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:50 pm Where are you?

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/qu ... ign=buffer
Outside Left, although I do not fit neatly into the group demographic profile. Like FFG, I think the question construction was laughable, although he expressed it a little differently.

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:37 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:06 pm
ardilla secreta wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:50 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:50 pm Where are you?

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/qu ... ign=buffer
I got bacon lover.
The questions on here are worded like trash on fire but I did it anyway to contribute to the manufactured information load.

Your best fit is…
Ambivalent Right
… along with 12% of the public
👍

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:50 pm
by ardilla secreta
I’d like to think that determining my political leanings require more than sixteen questions.

To start, Thayer didn’t ask about the number one Issue. Money in elections. The best government money can buy.

Re: Conservatives and Liberals

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:03 pm
by tech37
seacoaster wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:50 pm Where are you?

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/qu ... ign=buffer
No category for "moderate boomer" so what's the point?