tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
I'll move on soon enough.
Okay.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
The Civil Rights Movement! What? Pretty soon you'll be claiming Dylan Mulvaney is the new MLK!
Oh, that's not me. That's the geniuses who are causing billions of dollars of economic damage because some lady they have never met is (horrors) wearing a dress. THEY are the ones that are making an absurd mountain out of a nothing-burger.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
How do you possibly equate these?
Because this, too, is about civil rights. Someone can't be a beer rep if they're gay, or a woman, or black, or bi, or whatever? It's all the same thing.
Should I punish you and your business because you're straight? No, right? Well...there ya go.
And for heaven's sake...what kind of weirdo would I be to care what you do, and with whom, in the comfort of your own home? That part? I'll NEVER understand. It's flat out weird to even think about that stuff, if you ask me. 1,000 times weirder than putting on a dress and some lipstick because you like it.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
First of all, the trans activism involves children!
So did the women's rights movement, remember? Children left at home---latchkey kids. Gays....do I have to remind you about denying their ability to marry and adopt? Black Americans.....school segregation ring a bell? Those who were against those things always play the "think about the children" card....so much so, it's an American idiom.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
Quite different from the gay activism from Stonewall and on. Second, the trans activism has pushed into established women's spaces, like athletics of course and all that goes along with that... locker rooms/bathrooms/podiums.[/color][/b]
You don't remember the kerfuffle over women reporters in sports locker rooms? They sorted it out. They'll sort the trans in sports thing, too.
You're not sensing a theme here? These things are more similar than you seem to think.
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:45 am
Looks interesting.
Very, thanks...goes to what my pal told us years ago that she was seeing happening with doctors 'playing god' and 'deciding' for the new baby what they would have...and likely even know about themselves.
Yes. This was covered in one of my wife’s genetics classes years ago. Way before all the nonsense….. Old Sailor made fun of it….
Variations are natural, indeed the secret sauce of evolution.
and yet, people are afraid of variation.
Evolution??? Why would natural selection create variations that might be detrimental to the sustainability of the species?
Wouldn't evolution naturally strengthen/clarify the binary nature of sex in order to ensure propagation, producing healthy offspring?
Of course there are always recessive genes and mutation... but on the level and volume that is being depicted for rationalization sake?
Maybe what's been happening on the genetic level is very unnatural variation, not natural. Maybe it's environmental. For example, PFASs and/or micro-plastics in the water system...who knows?
Also, IMO this thread title should be changed to: "The Hate Directed at LGBTQ Activism... much more accurate.
Thanks for removing all doubt!
tech, you clearly don't understand how genetic variation works, entirely randomly, with zero regard to any "rationalization", "propagation", or any other outcome you might imagine to be "desirable".
These are entirely "natural" and constantly happening in all life, including human. For all of the length of time of life's existence.
TLD may post for you a link to a short course on genetics and variation, as I believe he's done more than once over the years.
back at you since you clearly didn't understand
The "rationalization" I'm referring to is by people such as yourself and the entire movement to try to explain and normalize "trans" in evolutionary terms (good luck with that). Real trans exists but is rare (I've shared the anecdote re my friend's son, now daughter). I don't begin to buy the number of people claiming "trans" though, most especially, teens. Again, just my opinion.
I was responding to your (EDIT seeming) lack of comprehension that genetic variation is natural, not abnormal. Indeed variation is what makes evolution possible...you seemed to think that variation would not be intersex or any other place on the spectrum because it wouldn't promote procreation...just doesn't work that way... Genetic variation is not always "natural" (you do realize that right?) and why I brought up environmental factors. You can try all you want to rationalize/normalize trans but using "evolution" as the reason. IMO, that's a dubious stretch.
Yes, as I've cited, observable gender variations in babies are not frequent, but that's just what we can see in sex organ development, it doesn't include all the other variable genes that don't get realized that way. People are on a spectrum. If thinking about just one dimension (and undoubtedly there are multiple) most are reasonably far to one side or anther when it comes to gender, but a pretty darn large chunk are somewhere in between in what they feel about themselves and others. They may tilt one way or another, but that's way less clear when considering things like identity and sexual attraction, which have more to do with the complexities of our brains perhaps than anything else. In other words, sometimes we can see outward manifestations physically, sometimes we can't. Sheesh!...of course there's a spectrum re sexuality, you're stating the obvious. So long as you agree that that spectrum ranges within binary M/F sexes. Even those born with androgynous parts (very rare) are not a third sex but a combination of the binary.
Less than 2% of youth identify as trans, closer to 1% than 2%, and the only real difference over time has been the willingness of that small % to say so out loud. How much of that 1+% do you think are actually "trans" and what % are going along for the ride (the movement/fad), for any number of reasons/ideas/needs?
Who said anything about the perceived increase in the population of transgender people being the result of “evolution”? You sound like you don’t know what you are talking about.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
The Civil Rights Movement! What? Pretty soon you'll be claiming Dylan Mulvaney is the new MLK!
Oh, that's not me. That's the geniuses who are causing billions of dollars of economic damage because some lady they have never met is (horrors) wearing a dress. THEY are the ones that are making an absurd mountain out of a nothing-burger. Again, free market reaction. My guess is the people boycotting are pushing back against what they see as unwanted activism. How else can they fight back? Seems logical, no? Nothing-burger for me too...don't even drink beer. If it's such a nothing-burger to you, you should hire Dylan to sell your spirits. What do you think would happen?
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
How do you possibly equate these?
Because this, too, is about civil rights. Someone can't be a beer rep if they're gay, or a woman, or black, or bi, or whatever? It's all the same thing. Please educate me... what trans civil-rights abuses haven't already been addressed with/during the gay revolution? Do you propose new laws specifically for trans?
Should I punish you and your business because you're straight? No, right? Well...there ya go. Of course not. What businesses and punishments are you referring to? The way you put it, sounds widespread.
And for heaven's sake...what kind of weirdo would I be to care what you do, and with whom, in the comfort of your own home? That part? I'll NEVER understand. It's flat out weird to even think about that stuff, if you ask me. 1,000 times weirder than putting on a dress and some lipstick because you like it. Completely agree. Privacy is sacrosanct. That's not what's happening though. What you're describing I think is pretty fringe. You make it sound as though the entire country is these "weirdos."
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
First of all, the trans activism involves children!
So did the women's rights movement, remember? Children left at home---latchkey kids. Gays....do I have to remind you about denying their ability to marry and adopt? Black Americans.....school segregation ring a bell? Those who were against those things always play the "think about the children" card....so much so, it's an American idiom. Geez...if you can't differentiate, not sure what else to say.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
Quite different from the gay activism from Stonewall and on. Second, the trans activism has pushed into established women's spaces, like athletics of course and all that goes along with that... locker rooms/bathrooms/podiums.[/color][/b]
You don't remember the kerfuffle over women reporters in sports locker rooms? They sorted it out. They'll sort the trans in sports thing, too. They'll? I hope you mean women. Those are birthing-person's issues after all.
You're not sensing a theme here? These things are more similar than you seem to think. In a macro sense perhaps. There will always be haters and others who resist change. At some point though you need to ask yourself if all change is good.
I guess we'll agree to disagree on how different some of this is when taking a closer look. The "theme" I'm sensing here is how you like to place everything in one tidy box. I guess it helps to confirm your belief that we live in a trans/homophobic country, which I disagree with.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
I'll move on soon enough.
Okay.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
The Civil Rights Movement! What? Pretty soon you'll be claiming Dylan Mulvaney is the new MLK!
Oh, that's not me. That's the geniuses who are causing billions of dollars of economic damage because some lady they have never met is (horrors) wearing a dress. THEY are the ones that are making an absurd mountain out of a nothing-burger.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
How do you possibly equate these?
Because this, too, is about civil rights. Someone can't be a beer rep if they're gay, or a woman, or black, or bi, or whatever? It's all the same thing.
Should I punish you and your business because you're straight? No, right? Well...there ya go.
And for heaven's sake...what kind of weirdo would I be to care what you do, and with whom, in the comfort of your own home? That part? I'll NEVER understand. It's flat out weird to even think about that stuff, if you ask me. 1,000 times weirder than putting on a dress and some lipstick because you like it.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
First of all, the trans activism involves children!
So did the women's rights movement, remember? Children left at home---latchkey kids. Gays....do I have to remind you about denying their ability to marry and adopt? Black Americans.....school segregation ring a bell? Those who were against those things always play the "think about the children" card....so much so, it's an American idiom.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
Quite different from the gay activism from Stonewall and on. Second, the trans activism has pushed into established women's spaces, like athletics of course and all that goes along with that... locker rooms/bathrooms/podiums.[/color][/b]
You don't remember the kerfuffle over women reporters in sports locker rooms? They sorted it out. They'll sort the trans in sports thing, too.
You're not sensing a theme here? These things are more similar than you seem to think.
Molly Hatchet can't come back, soon enough. Well, certainly NOT the movement she was involved.
Rockport, MA was a dry town , up until a few years ago.
civil rights involve alcohol rights? Drugs? You should see the looks I get, smoking the J's while walking on the streets of DC. The hate.......
Carry Nation = US Constitutional amendment.
VERY.....disappointed that no one can tell us how Leah Thomspson gets off ? Or Bruce Jenner, now Kaitlyn? Can you have an orgasim, without the pleasure zones?
Why can't I have sex on the Mall of DC, in the middle of the day ?
freedom and civil rights......
equating human bondage to a 9 year old going on hormone "therapy". classic
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
The Civil Rights Movement! What? Pretty soon you'll be claiming Dylan Mulvaney is the new MLK!
Oh, that's not me. That's the geniuses who are causing billions of dollars of economic damage because some lady they have never met is (horrors) wearing a dress. THEY are the ones that are making an absurd mountain out of a nothing-burger. Again, free market reaction. My guess is the people boycotting are pushing back against what they see as unwanted activism. How else can they fight back? Seems logical, no? Nothing-burger for me too...don't even drink beer. If it's such a nothing-burger to you, you should hire Dylan to sell your spirits. What do you think would happen?
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
How do you possibly equate these?
Because this, too, is about civil rights. Someone can't be a beer rep if they're gay, or a woman, or black, or bi, or whatever? It's all the same thing. Please educate me... what trans civil-rights abuses haven't already been addressed with/during the gay revolution? Do you propose new laws specifically for trans?
Should I punish you and your business because you're straight? No, right? Well...there ya go. Of course not. What businesses and punishments are you referring to? The way you put it, sounds widespread.
And for heaven's sake...what kind of weirdo would I be to care what you do, and with whom, in the comfort of your own home? That part? I'll NEVER understand. It's flat out weird to even think about that stuff, if you ask me. 1,000 times weirder than putting on a dress and some lipstick because you like it. Completely agree. Privacy is sacrosanct. That's not what's happening though. What you're describing I think is pretty fringe. You make it sound as though the entire country is these "weirdos."
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
First of all, the trans activism involves children!
So did the women's rights movement, remember? Children left at home---latchkey kids. Gays....do I have to remind you about denying their ability to marry and adopt? Black Americans.....school segregation ring a bell? Those who were against those things always play the "think about the children" card....so much so, it's an American idiom. Geez...if you can't differentiate, not sure what else to say.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
Quite different from the gay activism from Stonewall and on. Second, the trans activism has pushed into established women's spaces, like athletics of course and all that goes along with that... locker rooms/bathrooms/podiums.[/color][/b]
You don't remember the kerfuffle over women reporters in sports locker rooms? They sorted it out. They'll sort the trans in sports thing, too. They'll? I hope you mean women. Those are birthing-person's issues after all.
You're not sensing a theme here? These things are more similar than you seem to think. In a macro sense perhaps. There will always be haters and others who resist change. At some point though you need to ask yourself if all change is good.
I guess we'll agree to disagree on how different some of this is when taking a closer look. The "theme" I'm sensing here is how you like to place everything in one tidy box. I guess it helps to confirm your belief that we live in a trans/homophobic country, which I disagree with.
dude, not how it works.
you don't get to ask question......
until you answer mine.
you are wrong......everyone, every where, are 'phobes'.
great point, why doesn't Dylan M. become a liquor sales rep ?
tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:52 am
Again, free market reaction. My guess is the people boycotting are pushing back against what they see as unwanted activism. How else can they fight back? Seems logical, no? Nothing-burger for me too...don't even drink beer. If it's such a nothing-burger to you, you should hire Dylan to sell your spirits. What do you think would happen?
You just claimed that I "like to put things in one tidy box." My reply to that with you has always been the same: you have a habit of doing the precise thing that you claim other posters do.
So in this case? You're lumping Dylan in with, for example Lia Thompson....and claiming both are "activists".
This is factually and demonstrably wrong. Two ENTIRELY different situations, yet you're here lumping anything Americans don't like as "activism".
Lia entered an athletic contest according to their rules. If you want to label that as "activism", ok. Was Jackie Robinson an 'activist"? Or just a man entering an athletic contest according to their rules? Debatable, I guess.
But Dylan? What did she do, Tech? Bud Lite came to her and offered her money to be a sponsor. That's it. Under no stretch of the word can that possibly be called "activism". That's simply commerce.
You are on the one hand, telling me that American isn't a homophobic nation, while at the same time, telling me to hire Dylan because you know perfectly well that millions of Americans will punish ANY business that dares to hire a man in a dress and makeup in 2023.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
Please educate me... what trans civil-rights abuses haven't already been addressed with/during the gay revolution? Do you propose new laws specifically for trans?
Tech, for heaven's sake, you JUST acknowledged that Bud Lite was punished for hiring a Trans Woman....billions of dollars now. Unlike every other brain dead "influencer", Dylan can't earn a legal and honest living, or her employer will be hammered economically.
What don't you understand here? Civil rights aren't just about laws. Surely you know this, right?
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
Of course not. What businesses and punishments are you referring to? The way you put it, sounds widespread.
Just did. Bud LIght.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
Completely agree. Privacy is sacrosanct. That's not what's happening though. What you're describing I think is pretty fringe. You make it sound as though the entire country is these "weirdos."
Bud Lite tells me it's NOT fringe. But okay.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
Geez...if you can't differentiate, not sure what else to say.
I can indeed differentiate. But the problem may be that we're talking past each other. What do you mean by "involves children".
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
They'll? I hope you mean women. Those are birthing-person's issues after all.
Yes. Women. And yep, you can make fun because some of it is silly.
But my view is: after a few hundred years of not having a voice? These Americans aren't gonna be perfect out of the gate when they ask for rights. Same EXACT thing happened with black Americans in the 60's and 70's. There were BRILLIANT parodies of this by Red Foxx on Sanford and Son when his son showed up in a Dashiki. See the parallels between "my prounouns", and Lamont's "my slave name"? These Americans are just coming to terms with having choices and a voice after not having one......
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
In a macro sense perhaps. There will always be haters and others who resist change. At some point though you need to ask yourself if all change is good.
I can tell you without question that not all change is good.....and I can list examples of that for days. I agree with you. But your statement implies that you think you can stop these cultural changes if you don't like them. You can't, any more than I can.
tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:59 pm
I guess it helps to confirm your belief that we live in a trans/homophobic country, which I disagree with.[/color][/b]
Again...then why can't Bud Lite hire Dylan without losing billions? Can you answer that? Those two things don't add up, sorry.
Appreciate the conversation. Feel free to bail.....
Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:07 pm
by DMac
According to a study published on June 10, 2022, nearly 1.64 million people over the age of 13 in the United States identify themselves as transgender 1. This is equivalent to about 0.5% of all U.S. adults 1. Another source states that approximately 0.58% of Americans identify as transgender, which is over 1.3 million people 2.
It’s important to note that these numbers are estimates and may not be entirely accurate due to the difficulty in collecting data on this topic 3.
Will say again, a fan, I think Mulvaney was just the final straw. Awful lot of noise coming from this group, lot of fuss being made over a miniscule part of the population who has a burden to carry (and don't we all) and wants to shift that burden to "us". Yes, it is being pushed in front of our faces and jammed down our throats. Christ almighty, I can't open a browser without these stories popping up front and center. Mulvaney can get a job, she can get a job with an outfit that caters to the trans population.
Lia Thompson? You can't have a discussion about Lia without it ending up being about outliers, extreme cases, and mutations. That's a simple conversation twisted and distorted....yet one we all agree on. She has no business being in the pool competing against women.
Saw a new Bud ad last night (women's softball tourney, tune in, very good stuff) see they came out with a new Harley Davidson can. Begging and groveling for their boys to come back.
According to a study published on June 10, 2022, nearly 1.64 million people over the age of 13 in the United States identify themselves as transgender 1. This is equivalent to about 0.5% of all U.S. adults 1. Another source states that approximately 0.58% of Americans identify as transgender, which is over 1.3 million people 2.
It’s important to note that these numbers are estimates and may not be entirely accurate due to the difficulty in collecting data on this topic 3.
Will say again, a fan, I think Mulvaney was just the final straw. Awful lot of noise coming from this group, lot of fuss being made over a miniscule part of the population who has a burden to carry (and don't we all) and wants to shift that burden to "us". Yes, it is being pushed in front of our faces and jammed down our throats. Christ almighty, I can't open a browser without these stories popping up front and center. Mulvaney can get a job, she can get a job with an outfit that caters to the trans population.
Yes. I agree that this story is everywhere.
Where I think we differ is where is this noise coming from? And I'm telling you that it's the right wing media, looking for clicks that making this mountain out of a molehill. Take that right wing media away? You wouldn't hear a peep.
I gave OS my case in point with the Bud Ads that featured two men getting married that even had a high profile movie star in Seth Rogan way back in 2014. OS's comment reinforced my point: he didn't hear about the ad. Yes. That's my ENTIRE point: the reason you didn't hear about it is that RightWingMedia didn't blow it up. So a bunch of millenials (the target of the ads) saw the ad, and old men like us? We didn't see the ad. No outrage. No , as you put it, " I can't open a browser without these stories popping up front and center".
What changed from that 2014 ad, is my point: here in 2023, RightWingMedia has learned that they get clicks if they keep blowing these things up. So you get tech and OS unknowingly both using the same language that they were fed from RightWingMedia...the phrase "activism". That's the tell. That tells you where they heard about Dylan. Explain how that 2014 Bud gay wedding ad wasn't "activism"....yet the 2023 naming of one trans lady as a spokesperson was?
You can't. it's the same thing. The difference is the rise of RightWingMedia over the last decade that has learned that it gets clicks by making boomers think the world is falling apart. Take that away? You would never have heard about this. So when the NYtimes and others pick up the story? It's not about Dylan M.....nope. The "story" is the RightWingMedia overreaction to a nothingburger AD. The reaction to Dylan is the story, not the other way around.
That's all I'm saying here. Nothing more. RightWIngMedia is getting paid to make mountains out of molehills, Dmac. It's VERY helpful to understand this, IMHO.
DMac wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:07 pm
Lia Thompson? You can't have a discussion about Lia without it ending up being about outliers, extreme cases, and mutations. That's a simple conversation twisted and distorted....yet one we all agree on. She has no business being in the pool competing against women.
It's why I keep asking the question: why can't Lia Thompson compete with men? Doesn't that allow her to compete in a sport she loves?
No one can answer that. IMHO, this is the obvious solution.
Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:38 pm
by DMac
No disagreement on the media being the ones shoving it down our throats but it's being shoved down our throats nonetheless.
As for Lia, that's pretty simple for me, because she hasn't had sex reassignment surgery. I see Lia as having an unfair advantage just like Riley Gaines does. Pretty sure Caitlyn sees it that way too, so does Martina Navratilova and many others.
Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:54 pm
by a fan
DMac wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:38 pm
No disagreement on the media being the ones shoving it down our throats but it's being shoved down our throats nonetheless
It's a question of "which media" is doing the shoving.
If you want it to go away? Don't click, just as millions of conservative Americans did when Bud aired the gay wedding ads back in 2014. Everyone went about their lives, and the ad campaign ran its course. World kept spinning. No one noticed, complained, or lost their minds over "activism".
So obviously it can be done.
DMac wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:38 pm
As for Lia, that's pretty simple for me, because she hasn't had sex reassignment surgery. I see Lia as having an unfair advantage just like Riley Gaines does. Pretty sure Caitlyn sees it that way too, so does Martina Navratilova and many others.
Right. As I said...let Lia and others who follow, compete with men. Everyone wins. Lia gets to compete, and the women are competing in a more fair pool.
Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:31 pm
by youthathletics
Are they really click driven, and if so, does that not tell you that the left is completely disingenuous, while continually making these news stories...stories. They are casting their baited hooks into the media ocean to push an agenda that needs no pushing. then the right swallows the bait and continues the cycle....and truly for what reason?
What started all this in the first place.....where were these people marginalized , are they really that upset someone did not want to bake them a cake based on a religious belief?
It's sad that the majority of the world has accepted this community and they continue to push harder and harder. AS Dave Chappelle said....they are ruining it for the gays.
Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:49 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:31 pm
Are they really click driven, and if so, does that not tell you that the left is completely disingenuous, while continually making these news stories...stories. They are casting their baited hooks into the media ocean to push an agenda that needs no pushing. then the right swallows the bait and continues the cycle....and truly for what reason?
Clickbait has NOTHING to do with right/left. It's about the 1%ers fomenting outrage to get paid. It's just that in this particular case, it's the RightWingMedia sites that are getting the clicks.
You don't want to concede that you're biting on clickbait and that YOU are participating in making this silly molehill into a mountain.
We are all guilty of falling for clickbait and manufactured outrage, YA. I know I've caught myself doing it.
It's not a big deal to own your part, and move on.
Protip: don't click. This "story" will go away in no time. If a site called "water is wet" got a few million clicks a day? You'd be hearing that water is wet 24/7 until the clicks stopped.....
Re: The Hate Directed at the LGBTQ+
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:50 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:31 pm
It's sad that the majority of the world has accepted this community and they continue to push harder and harder. AS Dave Chappelle said....they are ruining it for the gays.
Perfect example.....Dave himself made the trans conversation global by talking about it in several specials watched by millions.
Guess what would happen if he didn't say a word about them over the last few years?
According to a study published on June 10, 2022, nearly 1.64 million people over the age of 13 in the United States identify themselves as transgender 1. This is equivalent to about 0.5% of all U.S. adults 1. Another source states that approximately 0.58% of Americans identify as transgender, which is over 1.3 million people 2.
It’s important to note that these numbers are estimates and may not be entirely accurate due to the difficulty in collecting data on this topic 3.
Will say again, a fan, I think Mulvaney was just the final straw. Awful lot of noise coming from this group, lot of fuss being made over a miniscule part of the population who has a burden to carry (and don't we all) and wants to shift that burden to "us". Yes, it is being pushed in front of our faces and jammed down our throats. Christ almighty, I can't open a browser without these stories popping up front and center. Mulvaney can get a job, she can get a job with an outfit that caters to the trans population.
Lia Thompson? You can't have a discussion about Lia without it ending up being about outliers, extreme cases, and mutations. That's a simple conversation twisted and distorted....yet one we all agree on. She has no business being in the pool competing against women.
Saw a new Bud ad last night (women's softball tourney, tune in, very good stuff) see they came out with a new Harley Davidson can. Begging and groveling for their boys to come back.
I don’t see the shifting of burden to others. That’s the part you’ll have to explain to me. Otherwise I agree they're voice seems disproportionate but I don’t see fighting for a equal place as shifting a burden.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:31 pm
Are they really click driven, and if so, does that not tell you that the left is completely disingenuous, while continually making these news stories...stories. They are casting their baited hooks into the media ocean to push an agenda that needs no pushing. then the right swallows the bait and continues the cycle....and truly for what reason?
Clickbait has NOTHING to do with right/left. It's about the 1%ers fomenting outrage to get paid. It's just that in this particular case, it's the RightWingMedia sites that are getting the clicks.
You don't want to concede that you're biting on clickbait and that YOU are participating in making this silly molehill into a mountain.
We are all guilty of falling for clickbait and manufactured outrage, YA. I know I've caught myself doing it.
It's not a big deal to own your part, and move on.
Protip: don't click. This "story" will go away in no time. If a site called "water is wet" got a few million clicks a day? You'd be hearing that water is wet 24/7 until the clicks stopped.....
I will admit I got sucked into this clickbait this am as I have a soft spot for Primus from seeing them foe New Years my SR Yr of HS when visiting my sister in SF just a few years after this pic
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:31 pm
It's sad that the majority of the world has accepted this community and they continue to push harder and harder. AS Dave Chappelle said....they are ruining it for the gays.
Perfect example.....Dave himself made the trans conversation global by talking about it in several specials watched by millions.
Guess what would happen if he didn't say a word about them over the last few years?
oh contraire. By Dave even brining it up, he empowered them and at the same time helped millions come to terms with accepting it.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:31 pm
It's sad that the majority of the world has accepted this community and they continue to push harder and harder. AS Dave Chappelle said....they are ruining it for the gays.
Perfect example.....Dave himself made the trans conversation global by talking about it in several specials watched by millions.
Guess what would happen if he didn't say a word about them over the last few years?
oh contraire. By Dave even brining it up, he empowered them and at the same time helped millions come to terms with accepting it.
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You just blamed the Trans for "pushing harder and harder". And yet here you're acknowledging that Dave , for good or ill, is the one who brought this to the attention of his tens of millions of viewers, and that TransNation had NOTHING to do with this "pushing". Dave made that choice all by himself.
You're making my points for me: TransNation isn't who is driving this into the MSM, my man.
If Dave stops talking about them? Millions of people would NEVER have heard about this. Hope you're having a nice weekend!
According to a study published on June 10, 2022, nearly 1.64 million people over the age of 13 in the United States identify themselves as transgender 1. This is equivalent to about 0.5% of all U.S. adults 1. Another source states that approximately 0.58% of Americans identify as transgender, which is over 1.3 million people 2.
It’s important to note that these numbers are estimates and may not be entirely accurate due to the difficulty in collecting data on this topic 3.
Will say again, a fan, I think Mulvaney was just the final straw. Awful lot of noise coming from this group, lot of fuss being made over a miniscule part of the population who has a burden to carry (and don't we all) and wants to shift that burden to "us". Yes, it is being pushed in front of our faces and jammed down our throats. Christ almighty, I can't open a browser without these stories popping up front and center. Mulvaney can get a job, she can get a job with an outfit that caters to the trans population.
Lia Thompson? You can't have a discussion about Lia without it ending up being about outliers, extreme cases, and mutations. That's a simple conversation twisted and distorted....yet one we all agree on. She has no business being in the pool competing against women.
Saw a new Bud ad last night (women's softball tourney, tune in, very good stuff) see they came out with a new Harley Davidson can. Begging and groveling for their boys to come back.
I don’t see the shifting of burden to others. That’s the part you’ll have to explain to me. Otherwise I agree they're voice seems disproportionate but I don’t see fighting for a equal place as shifting a burden.
They are pushing the burden on us by wanting 14 year old trans boys competing in girl's competition.
Competed as a male one year as a female the next. Puts the burden of dealing with that on a lot of
parents (and all of the other competitors). https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2022/1 ... inst-boys/
According to a study published on June 10, 2022, nearly 1.64 million people over the age of 13 in the United States identify themselves as transgender 1. This is equivalent to about 0.5% of all U.S. adults 1. Another source states that approximately 0.58% of Americans identify as transgender, which is over 1.3 million people 2.
It’s important to note that these numbers are estimates and may not be entirely accurate due to the difficulty in collecting data on this topic 3.
Will say again, a fan, I think Mulvaney was just the final straw. Awful lot of noise coming from this group, lot of fuss being made over a miniscule part of the population who has a burden to carry (and don't we all) and wants to shift that burden to "us". Yes, it is being pushed in front of our faces and jammed down our throats. Christ almighty, I can't open a browser without these stories popping up front and center. Mulvaney can get a job, she can get a job with an outfit that caters to the trans population.
Lia Thompson? You can't have a discussion about Lia without it ending up being about outliers, extreme cases, and mutations. That's a simple conversation twisted and distorted....yet one we all agree on. She has no business being in the pool competing against women.
Saw a new Bud ad last night (women's softball tourney, tune in, very good stuff) see they came out with a new Harley Davidson can. Begging and groveling for their boys to come back.
I don’t see the shifting of burden to others. That’s the part you’ll have to explain to me. Otherwise I agree they're voice seems disproportionate but I don’t see fighting for a equal place as shifting a burden.
They are pushing the burden on us by wanting 14 year old trans boys competing in girl's competition.
Competed as a male one year as a female the next. Puts the burden of dealing with that on a lot of
parents (and all of the other competitors). https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2022/1 ... inst-boys/
According to a study published on June 10, 2022, nearly 1.64 million people over the age of 13 in the United States identify themselves as transgender 1. This is equivalent to about 0.5% of all U.S. adults 1. Another source states that approximately 0.58% of Americans identify as transgender, which is over 1.3 million people 2.
It’s important to note that these numbers are estimates and may not be entirely accurate due to the difficulty in collecting data on this topic 3.
Will say again, a fan, I think Mulvaney was just the final straw. Awful lot of noise coming from this group, lot of fuss being made over a miniscule part of the population who has a burden to carry (and don't we all) and wants to shift that burden to "us". Yes, it is being pushed in front of our faces and jammed down our throats. Christ almighty, I can't open a browser without these stories popping up front and center. Mulvaney can get a job, she can get a job with an outfit that caters to the trans population.
Lia Thompson? You can't have a discussion about Lia without it ending up being about outliers, extreme cases, and mutations. That's a simple conversation twisted and distorted....yet one we all agree on. She has no business being in the pool competing against women.
Saw a new Bud ad last night (women's softball tourney, tune in, very good stuff) see they came out with a new Harley Davidson can. Begging and groveling for their boys to come back.
I don’t see the shifting of burden to others. That’s the part you’ll have to explain to me. Otherwise I agree they're voice seems disproportionate but I don’t see fighting for a equal place as shifting a burden.
They are pushing the burden on us by wanting 14 year old trans boys competing in girl's competition.
Competed as a male one year as a female the next. Puts the burden of dealing with that on a lot of
parents (and all of the other competitors). https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2022/1 ... inst-boys/
What if the majority of people involved don’t consider it a burden but it’s a silent majority?
You told me this is social media in response to you stating that you amplify what “pops up” previously but this isn’t the same thing as a algorithm driven platform that is indirect. What survey demonstrated the majority of participants are burdened by this?
issues after all.
