Orange Duce

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The National Review says "No."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/11/no/

Are we supposed to just forgot the nearly total obeisance over the past six years? "Trump had a limited understanding of our constitutional system, and at the end of the day, little respect for it." So now he's unqualified? Why can't they just say, sorry, we f*cked up.
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njbill wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:19 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:10 am
njbill wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:05 am No, the constitution doesn’t apply to him. Except the fifth amendment.
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Obviously, tRump would love to be free from prosecution. The question is, will the DOJ kiss up to him or will it do its job of prosecuting him for his crimes? Knowing Democrats and their propensity to turn the other cheek, I'm betting they will make no effort into putting the crook into jail where he belongs.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:55 am The National Review says "No."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/11/no/

Are we supposed to just forgot the nearly total obeisance over the past six years? "Trump had a limited understanding of our constitutional system, and at the end of the day, little respect for it." So now he's unqualified? Why can't they just say, sorry, we f*cked up.


NR never endorsed Trump, not once.
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elonmuskrockefeller wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:51 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:55 am The National Review says "No."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/11/no/

Are we supposed to just forgot the nearly total obeisance over the past six years? "Trump had a limited understanding of our constitutional system, and at the end of the day, little respect for it." So now he's unqualified? Why can't they just say, sorry, we f*cked up.


NR never endorsed Trump, not once.
Sorry, you're right; to my knowledge, that is true. The NR saw Trump for pretty much what he was from the 2016 primary season on. If I recall correctly, the NR threw some of its weight in favor of Cruz as the real conservative among the many many candidates. I am just talking about the tacitly going along because he had an R rather than a D next to his name, which the GOP certainly did.

Part of me hopes you're right that the Trump 2024 thing is over before it started. But on a human level, looking at Trump's psychology and sociopathy, I think you all will have to mud wrestle this guy for quite a while longer.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:01 am
njbill wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:19 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:10 am
njbill wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:05 am No, the constitution doesn’t apply to him. Except the fifth amendment.
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My nonrefundable retainer is $1 billion.
Will you take a check???
Sure, as long as it clears the Russian bank it is drawn on.
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njbill wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:38 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:01 am
njbill wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:19 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:10 am
njbill wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:05 am No, the constitution doesn’t apply to him. Except the fifth amendment.
Coming out of retirement to take over for Alina?
My nonrefundable retainer is $1 billion.
Will you take a check???
Sure, as long as it clears the Russian bank it is drawn on.
Then you would be paid in rubles. What is the exchange rate for one billion dollars to rubles?
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https://www.justsecurity.org/84168/mar- ... tion-memo/

"Mar-a-Lago Model Prosecution Memo
This model prosecution memorandum (or “pros memo”) assesses the potential charges against former President Donald Trump emanating from his handling of classified documents and other government records since leaving office on January 20, 2021. It includes crimes related to the removal and retention of national security information and obstruction of the investigation into his handling of these documents. The authors have decades of experience as federal prosecutors and defense lawyers, as well as other legal expertise. Based upon this experience and the analysis that follows, we conclude that there is a strong basis to charge Trump."{/i]

The "Model DOJ Prosecution Memo" compares Trump’s conduct in retaining classified info to the entire universe of cases that DOJ has prosecuted under the same laws.
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Kismet wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:16 am https://www.justsecurity.org/84168/mar- ... tion-memo/

"Mar-a-Lago Model Prosecution Memo
This model prosecution memorandum (or “pros memo”) assesses the potential charges against former President Donald Trump emanating from his handling of classified documents and other government records since leaving office on January 20, 2021. It includes crimes related to the removal and retention of national security information and obstruction of the investigation into his handling of these documents. The authors have decades of experience as federal prosecutors and defense lawyers, as well as other legal expertise. Based upon this experience and the analysis that follows, we conclude that there is a strong basis to charge Trump."{/i]


Thanks Kismet. Here's the memo itself.

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content ... r-2022.pdf
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:55 am The National Review says "No."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/11/no/

Are we supposed to just forgot the nearly total obeisance over the past six years? "Trump had a limited understanding of our constitutional system, and at the end of the day, little respect for it." So now he's unqualified? Why can't they just say, sorry, we f*cked up.
Because the spirit of Roy Cohn permeates the organization:

"Roy Cohn taught young Donald Trump two simple precepts: Always hit back. Never apologize."

"Roy Cohn was the personification of evil, the reptilian right-hand man and snarling chief counsel for Joe McCarthy during the darkest days of the blacklist, and later a notorious legal attack dog and fixer for mobsters and corrupt politicians."

Now there's a lineage you want -- Joe McCarthy... The good old days of incipient American fascism. Is that what the MAGATS want?

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Trump's Florida state court lawsuit -- to enjoin the NY State AG's investigation and trial -- was just removed to federal court, and assigned to Judge Donald Middlebrooks, who last week sanctioned Alina Habba and others for the other frivolous lawsuit. Kismet!!!! Remarkably stupid lawyering.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:40 pm Trump's Florida state court lawsuit -- to enjoin the NY State AG's investigation and trial -- was just removed to federal court, and assigned to Judge Donald Middlebrooks, who last week sanctioned Alina Habba and others for the other frivolous lawsuit. Kismet!!!! Remarkably stupid lawyering.
.. does Trump do any other kind? :lol: :lol:
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:40 pm Trump's Florida state court lawsuit -- to enjoin the NY State AG's investigation and trial -- was just removed to federal court, and assigned to Judge Donald Middlebrooks, who last week sanctioned Alina Habba and others for the other frivolous lawsuit. Kismet!!!! Remarkably stupid lawyering.
Donald J. Trump v. Hillary R. Clinton, et.al: Middlebrooks dismissed a 2022 suit brought by Donald Trump against Hillary Clinton, John Podesta, Jake Sullivan, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and numerous other public officials, private citizens, and private entities that Trump has political grudges against, seeking damages for alleged conduct surrounding the 2016 presidential election. Trump, as plaintiff, claimed that the "Defendants, blinded by political ambition, orchestrated a malicious conspiracy to disseminate patently false and injurious information about Donald J. Trump and his campaign, all in the hopes of destroying his life, his political career and rigging the 2016 Presidential Election in favor of Hillary Clinton."[3] Middlebrooks dismissed all of Trump's claims, concluding that Trump's complaint was not just inadequate in any respect but was inadequate in all respects, Middlebrooks concluded that "most of Plaintiff’s claims are not only unsupported by any legal authority but plainly foreclosed by binding precedent as set forth by the Supreme Court and the Eleventh Circuit." He also wrote that Trump "is not attempting to seek redress for any legal harm; instead, he is seeking to flaunt a two-hundred-page political manifesto outlining his grievances against those that have opposed him, and this Court is not the appropriate forum." Id. The decision raises questions of whether Trump's attorneys may have filed a frivolous complaint, and the decision expressly reserves the right to consider sanctions against Trump's attorneys at a later date.[4][3]

Just two months after issuing that decision, Judge Middlebrooks did in fact issue sanctions. The Trump lawyers, Alina Habba, Michael T. Madaio, Peter Ticktin and Jamie Alan Sasson, were assessed $50,000 penalties, plus $16,000 to cover the legal fees paid by one of the defendants.[5]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/10/us/j ... inton.html

https://pacer-documents.s3.amazonaws.co ... 263308.pdf
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:lol: And pardoned by Trump, meaning: Trump knows what he did. But nope, no Russian collusion, right, guys?

Court of law, fellas. Found guilty. Not speculation......guilty in a court of law.

So what now? Who's going to step forward and hand us their BS as to how "this doesn't count, either"?

Or are you gonna step up and say "yeah, that's bad".
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a fan wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:02 pm
:lol: And pardoned by Trump, meaning: Trump knows what he did. But nope, no Russian collusion, right, guys?

Court of law, fellas. Found guilty. Not speculation......guilty in a court of law.

So what now? Who's going to step forward and hand us their BS as to how "this doesn't count, either"?

Or are you gonna step up and say "yeah, that's bad".
No, they say -- after spending a couple of billion on crime, caravans, inflation....

1. Hunter's laptop/Burisma;
2. Investigate Pelosi's and DOJ's treatment of January 6 participants.
3. Reopen Benghazi.
4. Impeach Biden (gotta find a reason and disregard the Senate).
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Hunter Biden is much more important than say, tweeting out classified photos.

Trump tweeted an image from a spy satellite, declassified document shows

Amazing just how much classified stuff he gave to our enemies. And for now the presumptive 2024 nominee...
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Special Prosecutor named today by Garland:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/18/us/p ... trump.html

“Jack Smith, the Justice Department’s newly appointed special counsel, will come to the task of investigating former President Donald J. Trump with a wealth of experience: He has been prosecuting criminal cases for nearly three decades.

Mr. Smith got his start in the 1990s as a prosecutor in the Manhattan district attorney’s office and soon moved to a similar job at the United States Attorney’s office in Brooklyn. There, he served in a number of supervisory positions, according to his Justice Department biography, and worked on an assortment of cases, many involving public corruption.

From 2008 to 2010, Mr. Smith worked as the investigation coordinator in the Office of the Prosecutor at the International Criminal Court in The Hague. In that role, he oversaw high-profile inquiries of foreign government officials and militia members wanted for war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide.

Returning to the United States, Mr. Smith served from 2010 to 2015 as chief of the Justice Department’s public integrity section, which investigates politicians and other public figures on corruption allegations.

Two of Mr. Smith’s more notable corruption cases against high-profile political figures had opposite results. His team initially won a conviction against the former Gov. Robert McDonnell of Virginia, a Republican, but the Supreme Court overturned it.

It also won a conviction of former Representative Rick Renzi, Republican of Arizona, who was sentenced to three years in prison. (Mr. Trump pardoned Mr. Renzi among a flurry of clemency actions in January 2021, in his last hours as president.)

When Mr. Smith took over the public integrity section, it was reeling from the collapse of a criminal case against former Senator Ted Stevens, Republican of Alaska. In Mr. Smith’s first few months on the job, the section closed several prominent investigations into members of Congress without charges.

But in an interview that year with The New York Times, Mr. Smith denied that the section on his watch had lost its nerve.

“I understand why the question is asked,” Mr. Smith said at the time. “But if I were the sort of person who could be cowed — ‘I know we should bring this case, I know the person did it, but we could lose, and that will look bad’ — I would find another line of work. I can’t imagine how someone who does what I do or has worked with me could think that.”

A graduate of Harvard Law School, Mr. Smith has also worked in top positions at the United States Attorney’s office for the Middle District of Tennessee in Nashville.

Mr. Smith will take on the role of special counsel after leaving his current position as a specialist prosecutor based in The Hague investigating war crimes. He will remain in the Netherlands for some time, according to the Justice Department, in order to recover from a recent bicycle accident.”
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a fan wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:02 pm
:lol: And pardoned by Trump, meaning: Trump knows what he did. But nope, no Russian collusion, right, guys?

Court of law, fellas. Found guilty. Not speculation......guilty in a court of law.

So what now? Who's going to step forward and hand us their BS as to how "this doesn't count, either"?

Or are you gonna step up and say "yeah, that's bad".
Process crimes yo!
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 7:21 am
a fan wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:02 pm
:lol: And pardoned by Trump, meaning: Trump knows what he did. But nope, no Russian collusion, right, guys?

Court of law, fellas. Found guilty. Not speculation......guilty in a court of law.

So what now? Who's going to step forward and hand us their BS as to how "this doesn't count, either"?

Or are you gonna step up and say "yeah, that's bad".
Process crimes yo!
They're gonna run away, and avoid saying "yep, that's working with Russia to fund a campaign, and obviously Trump knew about, or he wouldn't have pardoned the guy"

But that's cool, right?

They. Don't. Care. They never did. They never will. R's and D's. Can't wait to see what they'll allow for our country next. Hooray!!
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