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Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:10 pm**

genesrfree wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:12 pm
foreverlax wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:24 pm
But, this is the new face of the Democrats, Medicare for all, no Borders, pro-abortion, increase taxes, take our guns, more handouts
Medicare for all - maybe

No borders - inaccurate-nope what is the democrats plan to secure our borders??? Sensors and drones-stupid and you know it.

Pro-Abortion - maybe, but more like no my decision,- not your decision, Governor Cuomo's and the two left coasts.

Increase taxes - how do you expect to pay for the wall? Funny, but all the illegal immigrants the democrats will allow in need a place to live, food, educations...you know the drill

Take our guns - no, absolutely semi-automatic guns, listen to your gal, K. Harris, that's the beginning, then we end like Nazi Germany.

More handouts - both sides give stuff out. Not like democrats, they gave out my social security!!

And we have a new player!!!

If the Ds are for open borders, show me the link.

Abortion is settled law.

Increase taxes - you don't like our immigration policy, fix it. Kicking the can doesn't fix it. Nothing to do with taxes.

Guns - not one thing has happened to gun rights since the Rs started crying about BHO taking them away.

You do understand the the Rs aren't fiscally conservative....if not, stick around and you can get some learning.

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:16 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:20 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:08 pm [HOW MUCH WILL IT COST???? It is not a very tough question to answer. Actually it is a very difficult question because frankly nobody knows the answer.
I do. It's easy to answer.
Every 1st world nation has some form of government health care.

Here's how much it costs per person in each country as of 2015:

Germany- $5,551
France- $4,600
Spain- $3,200
UK- $4,192
Canada- $4,753
Sweden- $5,488
Finland- $4,033

And the US? (drumroll) $9,892

So if you want cost certainty? Simple to do. Pick a country. Take Canada's health care law, verbatim, and write it into US law. The number will be close to that $4,753 number.

Oh, one fun fact: From what I could find, the US spends about $1.5 trillion per year on public healthcare. At 325 million people in the US, if we had Canada's system, the total cost per year would be: $1.548 trillion. So no change in budget and everyone is covered. It's kinda nuts to think about just how broken our system is.

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:50 pm**

holmes435 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:16 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:20 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:08 pm [HOW MUCH WILL IT COST???? It is not a very tough question to answer. Actually it is a very difficult question because frankly nobody knows the answer.
I do. It's easy to answer.
Every 1st world nation has some form of government health care.

Here's how much it costs per person in each country as of 2015:

Germany- $5,551
France- $4,600
Spain- $3,200
UK- $4,192
Canada- $4,753
Sweden- $5,488
Finland- $4,033

And the US? (drumroll) $9,892

So if you want cost certainty? Simple to do. Pick a country. Take Canada's health care law, verbatim, and write it into US law. The number will be close to that $4,753 number.
Oh, one fun fact: From what I could find, the US spends about $1.5 trillion per year on public healthcare. At 325 million people in the US, if we had Canada's system, the total cost per year would be: $1.548 trillion. So no change in budget and everyone is covered. It's kinda nuts to think about just how broken our system is.

Thank you Holmes. This could be one of the rare times in modern history that a massive expenditure of taxpayer money came in on time and on budget.

They can't build a 100 million dollar fighter jet that doesn't wind up costing a billion dollars when it is said and done. i think you are using Pentagon type fuzzy math. IMO.. just a wild guess the total tab for 325 million people would probably come in at more like just under 10 trillion a year. But why quibble about dollars. Until it actually happens nobody knows how much universal health care for everyone will cost. Where Kamala Harris effed up in a huge way is when she admitted that no matter how happy we were with our doctor or our health care plan that we would have to all go and pound sand. We were gonna take what the government was going to give us. News flash... I don't want the health care that you FLP zealots want me to have I prefer to make my own decisions regarding my health care.

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:52 pm**

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:50 pm News flash... I don't want the health care that you FLP zealots want me to have I prefer to make my own decisions regarding my health care.

So what are you going to do when you hit 65?

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:00 pm**

What we all do...drop to our knees and give thanks for Medicare!!

How much does it cost is the great question - the best answer, add up all the revenue of the health care sector, subtract out the profit, plus some amount for excessive wages, advertising/marketing and lobbying and there you have it.

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:12 pm**

I agree with cradles' cynicism regarding government. My difference is, my cynicism extends to government AND corporations. And if I have to choose between corporations who write all the laws, and the Federal government? I'll choose the government.

Look at what the corporations have done. They had their chance to show how super awesome they are. They failed miserably by any measure.

Where's the "better care for less money" that the private industry and free market competition is supposed to give us? If they had done that----or hell, come close---I'd be all for it.

It doesn't work. The greedy wankers running these companies can't help themselves.

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:49 pm**

Oh man ! MSNBC mean girl Nicole Wallance going feral on old compadre Steve Schmidt for working for Schultz.

Whatever happened to honor among hired guns ?

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:51 pm**

Did you watch John Heilmann shred bs artist Chris Christie the day before. Nicolle has had it. No country for old men. Brazen ignorance won’t work this time.

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:47 pm**

Trinity wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:51 pmBrazen ignorance won’t work this time.

...didn't work for them with Palin either.

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:30 pm**

foreverlax wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:10 pm
genesrfree wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:12 pm
foreverlax wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:24 pm
But, this is the new face of the Democrats, Medicare for all, no Borders, pro-abortion, increase taxes, take our guns, more handouts
Medicare for all - maybe

No borders - inaccurate-nope what is the democrats plan to secure our borders??? Sensors and drones-stupid and you know it.

Pro-Abortion - maybe, but more like no my decision,- not your decision, Governor Cuomo's and the two left coasts.

Increase taxes - how do you expect to pay for the wall? Funny, but all the illegal immigrants the democrats will allow in need a place to live, food, educations...you know the drill

Take our guns - no, absolutely semi-automatic guns, listen to your gal, K. Harris, that's the beginning, then we end like Nazi Germany.

More handouts - both sides give stuff out. Not like democrats, they gave out my social security!!

And we have a new player!!!

If the Ds are for open borders, show me the link.

Abortion is settled law.

Increase taxes - you don't like our immigration policy, fix it. Kicking the can doesn't fix it. Nothing to do with taxes.

Guns - not one thing has happened to gun rights since the Rs started crying about BHO taking them away.

You do understand the the Rs aren't fiscally conservative....if not, stick around and you can get some learning.

We have a new player- you’re funny and pompous, must think you’re the thread genius! I’ll just make one point, because arguing with liberals is a boring endeavor. Abortion is settled law-is what’s going on in New York and Virginia okay with you?

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:05 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:52 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:50 pm News flash... I don't want the health care that you FLP zealots want me to have I prefer to make my own decisions regarding my health care.
So what are you going to do when you hit 65?

If you were to listen to most folks on this forum a Fan they would prefer that I die and go away. I don't have a choice at age 65. please don't play that nonsense game with me. I have to apply for Medicare. In my case I will dip in to my pocket and pay for a supplementary program to help me out. The first thing that my wife and I HAVE TO DO is move out of NYS so we are not pissing away 6 to 7 thousand dollars a year in town/county/state/federal taxes. That is the money that you always opine here about the fact I am not paying enough of here in NYS in taxes. My suggestion to you is to be a lamb and move your entire operation here to NYS... lock, stock and barrel without little Andy greasing the skids for you. Once these ass wipes that run NYS crawl up your companies ass and extricate as much of your profits as they can then get back to me about how much money in taxes you are not paying. You already know what I am saying. The game is different in NYS. I don't blame you for never wanting to join the party. Please don't ever insult my intelligence with your broad based declaration that we don't pay enough in taxes or that our taxes are to low. Why the eff do you think thousands of upstate NY folk are bailing out of this state as soon as they can? It sure as hell not because our taxes are too low.

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:16 pm**

genesrfree wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:30 pmI’ll just make one point, because arguing with liberals is a boring endeavor.

Then why even come on here if you're going to argue with liberals and moderates even though it's boring? Why not just stay on Facebook? There really aren't many liberals actually on this board anyway.

While I haven't looked up the NY bill, my guess is that you don't really know what's in the VA bill or what it's actually about.

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:27 pm**

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:05 pm Please don't ever insult my intelligence with your broad based declaration that we don't pay enough in taxes or that our taxes are to low.

Federally. Our taxes are too low Federally. I have said 1,000 times that you are 100% right to gripe about your NYState taxes, because the rest of our nation is taking you for a ride, and enjoying low taxes by taking YOUR MONEY and paying for their goodies.

I have said this many, many times. I am in full agreement with your complaint about taxes in NYState. You're getting royally screwed by "self sufficient" wankers in flyover America who are fleecing you of all your money, while having the gall to brag about "small government" and low taxes in your State. NYStaters are getting stuck twice----flyover States are taking your money from your Federal taxes to pay for all your crap. And now because NYState isn't getting their share of Federal dollars, they have to hike your State taxes to make up the difference.

Perfect example: what did the Republicans just do to you with the new tax bill? That's right. They took away your ability to deduct your State and Local taxes to your Federal tax bill. Fleecing you yet again. I agree with you, my friend!

My point about the 65 year old question is:

pretend there was no Medicare, as you prefer. What do you think your annual premiums would be at age 65 ? This is where you and I don't agree. If there was no Medicare, you couldn't possibly afford what a private insurer would charge you to cover and and all medical expenses at age 70.

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:48 pm**

Logan's Run, but you are too old to run.

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:48 pm**

I understand your point but you also have opined here often and loud about people on Medicare who take more than they put in. We folks didn't make the rules a Fan. We are just playing the game by the rules that have been dictated to us by the federal government. In all the decades I have worked the federal government has been taking out money every week to cover my expenses when I retire. I sure as hell didn't ask them to do it. I had no choice. The federal government took that money from me because THEY claimed it was in my best interest to do so. If they want to give me that money back in a lump sum, wash their hands of me and tell me to buy my own insurance, sign me up, I will gladly take care of myself. Why do you want to criticize so many folks who have to take advantage of the system that the government forced them in to in the first place? It is not like we had any choice in the matter. Uncle Sam knew what was best and was going to take care of all of us old folk.

Posted: **Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:52 pm**

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:48 pm Logan's Run, but you are too old to run.

I am definitely too old to run anymore. If I was a real patriot I would die at 65 and let the government have all of the money they withheld from my pay over the years. I still do the treadmill for an hour a day. Maybe I will live long enough to get even with the government.

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:38 am**

genesrfree wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:30 pm
foreverlax wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:10 pm
genesrfree wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:12 pm
foreverlax wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:24 pm
But, this is the new face of the Democrats, Medicare for all, no Borders, pro-abortion, increase taxes, take our guns, more handouts
Medicare for all - maybe

No borders - inaccurate-nope what is the democrats plan to secure our borders??? Sensors and drones-stupid and you know it.

Pro-Abortion - maybe, but more like no my decision,- not your decision, Governor Cuomo's and the two left coasts.

Increase taxes - how do you expect to pay for the wall? Funny, but all the illegal immigrants the democrats will allow in need a place to live, food, educations...you know the drill

Take our guns - no, absolutely semi-automatic guns, listen to your gal, K. Harris, that's the beginning, then we end like Nazi Germany.

More handouts - both sides give stuff out. Not like democrats, they gave out my social security!!

And we have a new player!!!

If the Ds are for open borders, show me the link.

Abortion is settled law.

Increase taxes - you don't like our immigration policy, fix it. Kicking the can doesn't fix it. Nothing to do with taxes.

Guns - not one thing has happened to gun rights since the Rs started crying about BHO taking them away.

You do understand the the Rs aren't fiscally conservative....if not, stick around and you can get some learning.

We have a new player- you’re funny and pompous, must think you’re the thread genius! I’ll just make one point, because arguing with liberals is a boring endeavor. Abortion is settled law-is what’s going on in New York and Virginia okay with you?

Specifically, what is the question....

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:43 am**

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:48 pm I understand your point but you also have opined here often and loud about people on Medicare who take more than they put in. We folks didn't make the rules a Fan. We are just playing the game by the rules that have been dictated to us by the federal government. In all the decades I have worked the federal government has been taking out money every week to cover my expenses when I retire. I sure as hell didn't ask them to do it. I had no choice. The federal government took that money from me because THEY claimed it was in my best interest to do so. If they want to give me that money back in a lump sum, wash their hands of me and tell me to buy my own insurance, sign me up, I will gladly take care of myself. Why do you want to criticize so many folks who have to take advantage of the system that the government forced them in to in the first place? It is not like we had any choice in the matter. Uncle Sam knew what was best and was going to take care of all of us old folk.

Very few people are wealthy enough to self insure.

Brother-in-law had bypass. How much would he have paid, had he not had corp coverage? Half million plus.

Best of luck doing it without the rest of us....

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:09 am**

holmes435 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:16 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:20 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:08 pm [HOW MUCH WILL IT COST???? It is not a very tough question to answer. Actually it is a very difficult question because frankly nobody knows the answer.
I do. It's easy to answer.
Every 1st world nation has some form of government health care.

Here's how much it costs per person in each country as of 2015:

Germany- $5,551
France- $4,600
Spain- $3,200
UK- $4,192
Canada- $4,753
Sweden- $5,488
Finland- $4,033

And the US? (drumroll) $9,892

So if you want cost certainty? Simple to do. Pick a country. Take Canada's health care law, verbatim, and write it into US law. The number will be close to that $4,753 number.
Oh, one fun fact: From what I could find, the US spends about $1.5 trillion per year on public healthcare. At 325 million people in the US, if we had Canada's system, the total cost per year would be: $1.548 trillion. So no change in budget and everyone is covered. It's kinda nuts to think about just how broken our system is.

TAATS want to fix something?

Any pharma or the AMA donate to any politicians? exactly. Pretends pretend to care. Go Pats, beat the eggles.

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:14 am**

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