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Are we really back to this? No face-offs was tried in 1979. The team scored upon got possession at midfield after a goal. It was soooooo bad it lasted a single year.
are they reducing tv timeouts, the 35 fouls per game and 30-40 free throws next year, all of which stop the game interminably? it takes 2 hours to play a 60 minute lacrosse game, you'd be very fortunate to get out @ 2 hours for a 40 minute hoops game.
fix what? one set of solutions for coaches that want their numbers "fixed" is to coach up wing play (undercoached), work harder at tieing up exits briefly (a lot allowed nowadays) and play out the faceoff and pressure longer.Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:35 pm It’s an exciting part of the game. I think it has outsized impact though. Don’t know how to fix it . Maybe every 2 goals have a face off ?
+1wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:45 pmfix what? one set of solutions for coaches that want their numbers "fixed" is to coach up wing play (undercoached), work harder at tieing up exits briefly (a lot allowed nowadays) and play out the faceoff and pressure longer.Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:35 pm It’s an exciting part of the game. I think it has outsized impact though. Don’t know how to fix it . Maybe every 2 goals have a face off ?
+100Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:55 pm+1wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:45 pmfix what? one set of solutions for coaches that want their numbers "fixed" is to coach up wing play (undercoached), work harder at tieing up exits briefly (a lot allowed nowadays) and play out the faceoff and pressure longer.Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:35 pm It’s an exciting part of the game. I think it has outsized impact though. Don’t know how to fix it . Maybe every 2 goals have a face off ?
What does this post mean? And why , in a game that had 40 face offs, do these two warrant scrutiny? Both goals were scored because of defensive breakdowns and strategic errors.Can Opener wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:25 pm No further questions at this time.
https://twitter.com/FlowGo37/status/1775333647211438107
3 goals scored in 30 seconds or less. 1 to tie, 1 to win it, 1 for it to be tied again and sent to OT. I dont think it gets much better than that?Chousnake wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:08 pmWhat does this post mean? And why , in a game that had 40 face offs, do these two warrant scrutiny? Both goals were scored because of defensive breakdowns and strategic errors.Can Opener wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:25 pm No further questions at this time.
https://twitter.com/FlowGo37/status/1775333647211438107
Coaching the face-off unit is just as important as finding a good face-off man.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:14 pm Maybe we should do away with goalies...no goalies allowed in basketball and goalies can have an outsized impact on the game...
Seriously, having a great face-off group, whether a win it to yourself guy or a battle it out group should matter...but we keep seeing contests where the initial face-off is won by the 'better' FOGO, and yet the possession is so contested, ride is so hard, that early turnovers end up resulting in similar actual offensive possessions.
Obviously dominating that battle is an advantage. Being dominated is a disadvantage.
But nevertheless, a hot goalie and stout defense can create the stops necessary to create enough O chances to win if the O is efficient...it's a team game.
So is officiating the faceoff, which does not happen.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:29 pmCoaching the face-off unit is just as important as finding a good face-off man.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:14 pm Maybe we should do away with goalies...no goalies allowed in basketball and goalies can have an outsized impact on the game...
Seriously, having a great face-off group, whether a win it to yourself guy or a battle it out group should matter...but we keep seeing contests where the initial face-off is won by the 'better' FOGO, and yet the possession is so contested, ride is so hard, that early turnovers end up resulting in similar actual offensive possessions.
Obviously dominating that battle is an advantage. Being dominated is a disadvantage.
But nevertheless, a hot goalie and stout defense can create the stops necessary to create enough O chances to win if the O is efficient...it's a team game.
I think this is what people really want. Not to completely ban face-offs, but to get away from the pinch and pop. I think people would be happy if the only move was as basically a laser. But I suspect even in that circumstances, there will be outliers where a single fogo changes the gameGaitsRightHand wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:03 pm What if they ban the pinch and pop? You can still win it forward to yourself, but every faceoff has to be a groundball pick up.
In 2015 they stopped letting fogo's carry the ball in the back of their sticks, in hope that'd make for more scrums. It didn't exactly work- but maybe it could help here?
I think most people just have a problem when a fogo is good enough to pinch and pop to himself everytime... when wings dont even get a chance at the gb. At least now, you're making the fogo pick up a gb (sometimes similar to a baby's first steps). Which may lead to more scrums / equal playing field. For example, that SJU fogo that transferred in does really well on pinch and pops, but looks nervous when trying to pick up gb's when he doesn't win it cleanly.
Idk what the answer is here. But I do know that I don't want to see the clamp get replaced by lasers. I also don't want to see the faceoff get banned, completely.
i'm with you on a lot of stuff, youth. but not this. guys make calls, and they miss calls occasionally. but not more frequently on faceoffs.. and it's a tough adjudication.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:04 pmSo is officiating the faceoff, which does not happen.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:29 pmCoaching the face-off unit is just as important as finding a good face-off man.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:14 pm Maybe we should do away with goalies...no goalies allowed in basketball and goalies can have an outsized impact on the game...
Seriously, having a great face-off group, whether a win it to yourself guy or a battle it out group should matter...but we keep seeing contests where the initial face-off is won by the 'better' FOGO, and yet the possession is so contested, ride is so hard, that early turnovers end up resulting in similar actual offensive possessions.
Obviously dominating that battle is an advantage. Being dominated is a disadvantage.
But nevertheless, a hot goalie and stout defense can create the stops necessary to create enough O chances to win if the O is efficient...it's a team game.
it doesn't . but that'll get no play.GaitsRightHand wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:14 pm3 goals scored in 30 seconds or less. 1 to tie, 1 to win it, 1 for it to be tied again and sent to OT. I dont think it gets much better than that?Chousnake wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:08 pmWhat does this post mean? And why , in a game that had 40 face offs, do these two warrant scrutiny? Both goals were scored because of defensive breakdowns and strategic errors.Can Opener wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:25 pm No further questions at this time.
https://twitter.com/FlowGo37/status/1775333647211438107
No doubt, calls are missed, I get that...but that does not discount we are missing an opportunity to clean it up without changing the rules. I just believe the officials need better positioning and mechanics for this event. With a 3 man team, after the ref sets the ball, maybe he does not back out behind players, but continues to straddle the midline with the another official working behind.....thinking line judge and back judge like football. Every game that has a camera view down the line, you clearly see players setting up in a 'leaning' (advantage) position.wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:37 pmi'm with you on a lot of stuff, youth. but not this. guys make calls, and they miss calls occasionally. but not more frequently on faceoffs.. and it's a tough adjudication.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:04 pmSo is officiating the faceoff, which does not happen.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:29 pmCoaching the face-off unit is just as important as finding a good face-off man.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:14 pm Maybe we should do away with goalies...no goalies allowed in basketball and goalies can have an outsized impact on the game...
Seriously, having a great face-off group, whether a win it to yourself guy or a battle it out group should matter...but we keep seeing contests where the initial face-off is won by the 'better' FOGO, and yet the possession is so contested, ride is so hard, that early turnovers end up resulting in similar actual offensive possessions.
Obviously dominating that battle is an advantage. Being dominated is a disadvantage.
But nevertheless, a hot goalie and stout defense can create the stops necessary to create enough O chances to win if the O is efficient...it's a team game.
most coaches with or without a stud mail it in. period.
rubbin's racin'.youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:13 amNo doubt, calls are missed, I get that...but that does not discount we are missing an opportunity to clean it up without changing the rules. I just believe the officials need better positioning and mechanics for this event. With a 3 man team, after the ref sets the ball, maybe he does not back out behind players, but continues to straddle the midline with the another official working behind.....thinking line judge and back judge like football. Every game that has a camera view down the line, you clearly see players setting up in a 'leaning' (advantage) position.wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:37 pmi'm with you on a lot of stuff, youth. but not this. guys make calls, and they miss calls occasionally. but not more frequently on faceoffs.. and it's a tough adjudication.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:04 pmSo is officiating the faceoff, which does not happen.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:29 pmCoaching the face-off unit is just as important as finding a good face-off man.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:14 pm Maybe we should do away with goalies...no goalies allowed in basketball and goalies can have an outsized impact on the game...
Seriously, having a great face-off group, whether a win it to yourself guy or a battle it out group should matter...but we keep seeing contests where the initial face-off is won by the 'better' FOGO, and yet the possession is so contested, ride is so hard, that early turnovers end up resulting in similar actual offensive possessions.
Obviously dominating that battle is an advantage. Being dominated is a disadvantage.
But nevertheless, a hot goalie and stout defense can create the stops necessary to create enough O chances to win if the O is efficient...it's a team game.
most coaches with or without a stud mail it in. period.