NCAA cares about heads, not dollars. It is up to the school to award their 12.6 schollies to whatever in-state or out-of-state athletes they want on their teams.
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The answers to the last paragraph's questions is none.Chitown wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:57 pm I really don't know the answer to this question. So not trying to be provocative, just curious
Recently, I saw a post that listed former assistant Coaches under Maryland Coach Tillman who were hired as Head Coaches at Division 1 Lacrosse programs. It was impressive!. I think that it had 4-6 people in the last 5-10 years. Could it be more ?
Now I read that former Coach Pietramala (age 50 +) is looking to return to a top Div. 5 program (whatever that means) as a Head Coach. He has been quoted as saying that a lesson that he learned over 30 years (especially at JHU) is that he should have delegated more to his Assistant Coaches. Many here have stated that it shouldn't take long for him to be hired.
So the "simple question", How many of Pietramala's Assistant Coaches were hired as Head Coaches at Division 1 Lacrosse Programs during the last 5 years? the last 10 years ? What conclusions can be drawn from the factual answers to those questions?
I agree with your conclusion, but I do not believe he meant one of the top five programs in the country; I think he meant a position within one of the power five conferences, so 5 ACC + 6 B1G gives 11 possibilities. Anywhere else is a huge total comp cut (from where he was; obviously not from where he is now). Even expanding the circle, a Cornell insider wrote that his return there was flatly impossible. That seems consistent with the pattern of the Ivies hiring younger coaches.steel_hop wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:17 pmThe answers to the last paragraph's questions is none.Chitown wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:57 pm I really don't know the answer to this question. So not trying to be provocative, just curious
Recently, I saw a post that listed former assistant Coaches under Maryland Coach Tillman who were hired as Head Coaches at Division 1 Lacrosse programs. It was impressive!. I think that it had 4-6 people in the last 5-10 years. Could it be more ?
Now I read that former Coach Pietramala (age 50 +) is looking to return to a top Div. 5 program (whatever that means) as a Head Coach. He has been quoted as saying that a lesson that he learned over 30 years (especially at JHU) is that he should have delegated more to his Assistant Coaches. Many here have stated that it shouldn't take long for him to be hired.
So the "simple question", How many of Pietramala's Assistant Coaches were hired as Head Coaches at Division 1 Lacrosse Programs during the last 5 years? the last 10 years ? What conclusions can be drawn from the factual answers to those questions?
The part about "many here have stated" are going to be quite surprised when that top 5 job doesn't appear in the next few years. Right now, of the P5 teams, only Desko seems on shaky ground and he likely wouldn't be a candidate for that position. After that - any IVY's? Maybe. But, after that what would be enticing for him and what school would want him. I am sure a guy will be let go or retire but I don't think there is a huge venn diagram that is going provided a spot that matches up with "school that are top 5" and "want to hire DP." So I disagree. I think it will take some time. I don't see him taking a job this cycle.
It is why I said 4 years ago he should have pursued the Michigan job even though some posters were adamant that he was going to be at Hopkins for a long time.44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:29 pmI agree with your conclusion, but I do not believe he meant one of the top five programs in the country; I think he meant a position within one of the power five conferences, so 5 ACC + 6 B1G gives 11 possibilities. Anywhere else is a huge total comp cut (from where he was; obviously not from where he is now). Even expanding the circle, a Cornell insider wrote that his return there was flatly impossible. That seems consistent with the pattern of the Ivies hiring younger coaches.steel_hop wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:17 pmThe answers to the last paragraph's questions is none.Chitown wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:57 pm I really don't know the answer to this question. So not trying to be provocative, just curious
Recently, I saw a post that listed former assistant Coaches under Maryland Coach Tillman who were hired as Head Coaches at Division 1 Lacrosse programs. It was impressive!. I think that it had 4-6 people in the last 5-10 years. Could it be more ?
Now I read that former Coach Pietramala (age 50 +) is looking to return to a top Div. 5 program (whatever that means) as a Head Coach. He has been quoted as saying that a lesson that he learned over 30 years (especially at JHU) is that he should have delegated more to his Assistant Coaches. Many here have stated that it shouldn't take long for him to be hired.
So the "simple question", How many of Pietramala's Assistant Coaches were hired as Head Coaches at Division 1 Lacrosse Programs during the last 5 years? the last 10 years ? What conclusions can be drawn from the factual answers to those questions?
The part about "many here have stated" are going to be quite surprised when that top 5 job doesn't appear in the next few years. Right now, of the P5 teams, only Desko seems on shaky ground and he likely wouldn't be a candidate for that position. After that - any IVY's? Maybe. But, after that what would be enticing for him and what school would want him. I am sure a guy will be let go or retire but I don't think there is a huge venn diagram that is going provided a spot that matches up with "school that are top 5" and "want to hire DP." So I disagree. I think it will take some time. I don't see him taking a job this cycle.
How long does Corrigan stay at ND? Or is that job Byrnes'?molo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:02 pm I thought Petro was well prepared and articulate in the studio. He’s certainly young enough to return to coaching at a major program. I just don’t see any likely openings at the kind of schools that would interest him in the near future. He obviously wants something in the ACC/Big 10/Ivy range. I don’t see a program similar to Denver when Tierney left. If you recall. Tierney took over a team that had just come off a bad year but they had lost respectably to Maryland at College Park the previous year. They were not far off when he started.
Has GB coached a single game at Harvard yet? CrazyHooDat wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:38 pmHow long does Corrigan stay at ND? Or is that job Byrnes'?molo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:02 pm I thought Petro was well prepared and articulate in the studio. He’s certainly young enough to return to coaching at a major program. I just don’t see any likely openings at the kind of schools that would interest him in the near future. He obviously wants something in the ACC/Big 10/Ivy range. I don’t see a program similar to Denver when Tierney left. If you recall. Tierney took over a team that had just come off a bad year but they had lost respectably to Maryland at College Park the previous year. They were not far off when he started.
Only 4. Definitely pretty crazy how everything panned out so far.LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:34 pmHas GB coached a single game at Harvard yet? CrazyHooDat wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:38 pmHow long does Corrigan stay at ND? Or is that job Byrnes'?molo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:02 pm I thought Petro was well prepared and articulate in the studio. He’s certainly young enough to return to coaching at a major program. I just don’t see any likely openings at the kind of schools that would interest him in the near future. He obviously wants something in the ACC/Big 10/Ivy range. I don’t see a program similar to Denver when Tierney left. If you recall. Tierney took over a team that had just come off a bad year but they had lost respectably to Maryland at College Park the previous year. They were not far off when he started.
Doesn’t hurt being at the best university in the world ... albeit, with a 109-year national title drought.LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:40 pm I am really interested to see how he does there. Those defenses at ND he was in charge of were special. And he is a phenomenal personality on the recruiting trail. He will get the talent there for sure.
I too thought Petro looked better then he had in the past but I wonder if coaches who "Gary Williams it" on the sidelines are a thing of the past.molo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:02 pm I thought Petro was well prepared and articulate in the studio. He’s certainly young enough to return to coaching at a major program. I just don’t see any likely openings at the kind of schools that would interest him in the near future. He obviously wants something in the ACC/Big 10/Ivy range. I don’t see a program similar to Denver when Tierney left. If you recall. Tierney took over a team that had just come off a bad year but they had lost respectably to Maryland at College Park the previous year. They were not far off when he started.
Yes ... cheers, Coach!LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:47 pm Agree, Doc. One thing he never has to worry about hearing : "Sorry, Coach. I am looking for better academics." It's like when a buddy of mine had his infant at Hopkins for a procedure. "Dude, best hospital in the world. Doc says something, trust it."
Cheers!
Coach Pietramala is “old school” in more ways than one.ObxTerpFan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pmI too thought Petro looked better then he had in the past but I wonder if coaches who "Gary Williams it" on the sidelines are a thing of the past.molo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:02 pm I thought Petro was well prepared and articulate in the studio. He’s certainly young enough to return to coaching at a major program. I just don’t see any likely openings at the kind of schools that would interest him in the near future. He obviously wants something in the ACC/Big 10/Ivy range. I don’t see a program similar to Denver when Tierney left. If you recall. Tierney took over a team that had just come off a bad year but they had lost respectably to Maryland at College Park the previous year. They were not far off when he started.
I'm not sure if today's players or college administrators want that "look" anymore.
My guess would be more coaches will look like Tillman and Tiffany than Petro, Tierney and Corrigan.
If in state tuition/room/board and books at UVA for an instate student is 30k but 60k for out of state does an out of state recruit getting 30k count as a 0.5 scholarship but an instate recruit getting 30k count as 1.0? The budget doesn’t apply to # of scholarships allottedggait wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:52 amNCAA cares about heads, not dollars. It is up to the school to award their 12.6 schollies to whatever in-state or out-of-state athletes they want on their teams.
If the UVA coach awards all 12.6 schollies to kids from MD and NY, that will cost the mlax budget and athletic department more. If the UMD coach gives all the athletic schollies to in-staters, then the budget hit will be less.
