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Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:03 pm By the way, what role did Palestinians have in 9/11?
In case you didn't know it, the perpetrators were Saudis, not Palestinians. Saudis who were financed by a wealthy family with close ties to the Bush clan.
Shame on those who continue to harbor all that bigotry here on fanlax.

You *definitely* do not understand the region. Definitely.
So if you condemn Al Qaeda, why not condemn hamas?
Yeah. Our bigotry. Right? If you don't like the hate, disappear...

Again, another personal attack which is a violation of TOS. So who should be banned, now?

Well, I'll continue to post links to substantiate my claims about the current situation in that troubled region of the world. By contrast, your continued personal attacks are mere concessions that you have lost the debate. Thanks for your concessions.

Anyone can find a link to any number of ridiculous perspectives. It doesn't make the perspective any more truthful, any less ridiculous. Your links accomplish nothing. They just make you look gullible. And that you don't condemn Hamas makes you look even worse.

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:55 pm So for example, you have never condemned Hamas for attacking first, here in 2023. Or taking hostages, or for killing Jewish people.

Seems like a reasonable question to me...

Gretchen wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:12 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:03 pm By the way, what role did Palestinians have in 9/11?
In case you didn't know it, the perpetrators were Saudis, not Palestinians. Saudis who were financed by a wealthy family with close ties to the Bush clan.
Shame on those who continue to harbor all that bigotry here on fanlax.

You *definitely* do not understand the region. Definitely.
So if you condemn Al Qaeda, why not condemn hamas?
Yeah. Our bigotry. Right? If you don't like the hate, disappear...

Yeah, like you're a mind reader, right? LOL

I join with those who condemn all terrorism. And I mean ALL. Thus, I join with Einstein and other Jewish scholars who condemned Herut (now the Likud ~ Netanyahu's party) for its terrorism:


http://www.thehypertexts.com/Albert%20E ... 0Nakba.htm

and join with other Jewish pro Peace groups which I have listed before such as https://peacenow.org.il/en/about-us/who-are-we


Hamas and Likud are exactly the same thing as both use the same tactics. If you applaud one, then you applaud the other. If you condemn one, then you must condemn both. I condemn ALL violence and its advocates. I applaud those who seek Peace and reconciliation. Do you?

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:20 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:55 pm So for example, you have never condemned Hamas for attacking first, here in 2023. Or taking hostages, or for killing Jewish people.

Seems like a reasonable question to me...

I have condemned ALL violence including these:

https://www.google.com/search?q=UN+cond ... ime/1#ip=1


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... ing_Israel



Have you?

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:30 pm

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:20 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:55 pm So for example, you have never condemned Hamas for attacking first, here in 2023. Or taking hostages, or for killing Jewish people.

Seems like a reasonable question to me...

I have condemned ALL violence including these:

Yeah, misdirection won't cut the mustard.


Hamas' sole stated mission is to eliminate Jewish people...using violence..... from the region. Do you condemn Hamas, or not?

Again, I've dealt with hardcore Pro-Palestinians before, Brookie, and all you all use the same exact tactics. You have learned

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:42 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:30 pm

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:20 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:55 pm So for example, you have never condemned Hamas for attacking first, here in 2023. Or taking hostages, or for killing Jewish people.

Seems like a reasonable question to me...

I have condemned ALL violence including these:

Yeah, misdirection won't cut the mustard.


Hamas' sole stated mission is to eliminate Jewish people...using violence..... from the region. Do you condemn Hamas, or not?

Again, I've dealt with hardcore Pro-Palestinians before, Brookie, and all you all use the same exact tactics. You have learned

I specifically said ALL, including them.

Now you answer me: do you condemn (like Einstein did) the Herut?

Do remember that Einstein called them fascists. Anyone who fails to condemn them supports fascism. If Einstein was here today that's what he would say.

Now let's see how consistent you and the other critics are.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:45 pmNow let's see how consistent you and the other critics are.

I condemn all violence in the region. Easy-peasy.

Funny you can't type the words "I condemn Hamas", Brooks.

Hamas and Likud are exactly the same thing as both use the same tactics.

This is profoundly dumb and offensive. This is the kind of brain dead what-about-ism that the MAGAs have perfected. Come on Brookie.

Many things can be true at the same time.

We all know that Netanyahu is six miles of bad road. We all know that Bibi and the hard liner whack jobs in Israel have no real interest in making two-state peace. We all know that the Palestinian side has real long-standing grievances. We all know that the Palestinian side has no legitimate current leadership who could progress towards an ultimate solution. It is a complete mess. As it has been for many many decades.

Even if all that is true, indiscrimnate slaughter of innocents is just so far beyond the pale.

But as Sleepy Joe is rightly pointing out now, it will matter a lot how Israel proceeds/responds. Because they would lose all support if they actually responded in kind (i.e using the same tactics).

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:02 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:45 pmNow let's see how consistent you and the other critics are.

I condemn all violence in the region. Easy-peasy.

Funny you can't type the words "I condemn Hamas", Brooks.

quoting myself = "I specifically said ALL, including them."


What part of the word 'including' don't you understand?

Now, let's turn this around: do you condemn Herut? The party Einstein, Sidney Hook, and Hannah Arendt called "fascists and nazis"?

A simple yes or no answer is all that you need do.

ggait wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:05 pm

Hamas and Likud are exactly the same thing as both use the same tactics.

This is profoundly dumb and offensive. This is the kind of brain dead what-about-ism that the MAGAs have perfected. Come on Brookie.

Many things can be true at the same time.

We all know that Netanyahu is six miles of bad road. We all know that Bibi and the hard liner whack jobs in Israel have no real interest in making two-state peace. We all know that the Palestinian side has real long-standing grievances. We all know that the Palestinian side has no legitimate current leadership who could progress towards an ultimate solution. It is a complete mess. As it has been for many many decades.

Even if all that is true, indiscrimnate slaughter of innocents is just so far beyond the pale.

But as Sleepy Joe is rightly pointing out now, it will matter a lot how Israel proceeds/responds. Because they would lose all support if they actually responded in kind (i.e using the same tactics).

Now look who's avoiding a direct answer.


Do you condemn Herut, yes or no?

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:05 pm What part of the word 'including' don't you understand?

Oh, I get it.

You don't want to type the word Hamas. That's fine. You do you.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:05 pm Now, let's turn this around: do you condemn Herut? The party Einstein, Sidney Hook, and Hannah Arendt called "fascists and nazis"?

A simple yes or no answer is all that you need do.

You want me to condemn a faction in Israel that disappeared in the 80's? Sure. Why not.

I oppose ALL the hardliners on both sides that have no interest in peace, and would prefer to make life miserable for both Palestinians, and the Jewish People....and who want to sabotage taking steps to end this ridiculous nonsense in literally the sh8ttiest land on Earth.

Anything else?

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:24 pm


http://www.thehypertexts.com/Albert%20E ... 0Nakba.htm

and join with other Jewish pro Peace groups which I have listed before such as https://peacenow.org.il/en/about-us/who-are-we


Hamas and Likud are exactly the same thing as both use the same tactics. If you applaud one, then you applaud the other. If you condemn one, then you must condemn both. I condemn ALL violence and its advocates. I applaud those who seek Peace and reconciliation. Do you?

If this is true: where are the protests where Muslims condemn Hamas, Brookie?


There aren't any. What does that tell you?

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:15 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:05 pm What part of the word 'including' don't you understand?

Oh, I get it.

You don't want to type the word Hamas. That's fine. You do you.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:05 pm Now, let's turn this around: do you condemn Herut? The party Einstein, Sidney Hook, and Hannah Arendt called "fascists and nazis"?

A simple yes or no answer is all that you need do.

You want me to condemn a faction in Israel that disappeared in the 80's? Sure. Why not.

I oppose ALL the hardliners on both sides that have no interest in peace, and would prefer to make life miserable for both Palestinians, and the Jewish People....and who want to sabotage taking steps to end this ridiculous nonsense in literally the sh8ttiest land on Earth.

Anything else?

Herut and Likud are the same.

I suppose that means you endorse their tactics and what they have always stood for. Correct?

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:25 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:24 pm


http://www.thehypertexts.com/Albert%20E ... 0Nakba.htm

and join with other Jewish pro Peace groups which I have listed before such as https://peacenow.org.il/en/about-us/who-are-we


Hamas and Likud are exactly the same thing as both use the same tactics. If you applaud one, then you applaud the other. If you condemn one, then you must condemn both. I condemn ALL violence and its advocates. I applaud those who seek Peace and reconciliation. Do you?

If this is true: where are the protests where Muslims condemn Hamas, Brookie?


There aren't any. What does that tell you?

Am not Muslim and cannot answer for them. Kindly direct that query to them. But first tell them that you applaud Herut/Likud if you dare.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:30 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:25 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:24 pm


http://www.thehypertexts.com/Albert%20E ... 0Nakba.htm

and join with other Jewish pro Peace groups which I have listed before such as https://peacenow.org.il/en/about-us/who-are-we


Hamas and Likud are exactly the same thing as both use the same tactics. If you applaud one, then you applaud the other. If you condemn one, then you must condemn both. I condemn ALL violence and its advocates. I applaud those who seek Peace and reconciliation. Do you?

If this is true: where are the protests where Muslims condemn Hamas, Brookie?


There aren't any. What does that tell you?

Am not Muslim and cannot answer for them. Kindly direct that query to them. But first tell them that you applaud Herut/Likud if you dare.

You don't have to answer for them, my man.

Give me YOUR explanation for why there are protests around the world---that you support----to keep the Israelis for taking an eye for an eye, and going after Hamas.

Yet there isn't a single protest for Hamas, and what their part is this mess is? Take your time, and think about it. Give me YOUR opinion why....

ggait wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:05 pm

Hamas and Likud are exactly the same thing as both use the same tactics.

This is profoundly dumb and offensive. This is the kind of brain dead what-about-ism that the MAGAs have perfected. Come on Brookie.

Brook just one up'ed you. He just said (above) Charut and Likud are the same. Talking about the Charut party right now is like talking to americans about the Bull Moose Party. This is old, old news. Einstein and many others were opposed to Menachem Begin and the Irgun (which later changed it's stripes and became the Charut party). The Israelis wanted to replace the Brits as the mandate over the land of Israel and the Brits were dragging their feet. They weren't going to walk away easily so Israelis tried different tactics to incentivize them. Large boats with many holocaust survivors were being turned back to Europe because the Brits wouldn't let them into Israel and the Jews were feeling desperate and an obvious urgency and... Begin and the Irgun started performing acts of terrorism. Some of the worst acts were two bombings that resulted in many deaths. Again, lots of people were opposed to their tactics including the US Government and many, many Jews. Not just Einstein. This includes staunch Zionists. When Einstein and so many others spoke of this comparison to the Nazis and fascism, he was speaking explicitly about the Irgun, the terrorism, not the entirety of Israel. Certainly not Israel today. But, for some, to be kind, uneducated people, Irgun and Israel... What's the difference? Charut and Likud, Hamas and Likud, one and the same. Crazy...

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:34 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:30 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:25 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:24 pm


http://www.thehypertexts.com/Albert%20E ... 0Nakba.htm

and join with other Jewish pro Peace groups which I have listed before such as https://peacenow.org.il/en/about-us/who-are-we


Hamas and Likud are exactly the same thing as both use the same tactics. If you applaud one, then you applaud the other. If you condemn one, then you must condemn both. I condemn ALL violence and its advocates. I applaud those who seek Peace and reconciliation. Do you?

If this is true: where are the protests where Muslims condemn Hamas, Brookie?


There aren't any. What does that tell you?

Am not Muslim and cannot answer for them. Kindly direct that query to them. But first tell them that you applaud Herut/Likud if you dare.

You don't have to answer for them, my man.

Give me YOUR explanation for why there are protests around the world---that you support----to keep the Israelis for taking an eye for an eye, and going after Hamas.

Yet there isn't a single protest for Hamas, and what their part is this mess is? Take your time, and think about it. Give me YOUR opinion why....

Wait a sec pal - I just answered your question but you failed to answer mine.

So now it's your turn.

Do you condemn the party that changed its name from Herut to Likud and was called fascist/nazi by Einstein for its genocidal actions?

A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:39 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:34 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:30 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:25 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:24 pm


http://www.thehypertexts.com/Albert%20E ... 0Nakba.htm

and join with other Jewish pro Peace groups which I have listed before such as https://peacenow.org.il/en/about-us/who-are-we


Hamas and Likud are exactly the same thing as both use the same tactics. If you applaud one, then you applaud the other. If you condemn one, then you must condemn both. I condemn ALL violence and its advocates. I applaud those who seek Peace and reconciliation. Do you?

If this is true: where are the protests where Muslims condemn Hamas, Brookie?


There aren't any. What does that tell you?

Am not Muslim and cannot answer for them. Kindly direct that query to them. But first tell them that you applaud Herut/Likud if you dare.

You don't have to answer for them, my man.

Give me YOUR explanation for why there are protests around the world---that you support----to keep the Israelis for taking an eye for an eye, and going after Hamas.

Yet there isn't a single protest for Hamas, and what their part is this mess is? Take your time, and think about it. Give me YOUR opinion why....

Wait a sec pal - I just answered your question but you failed to answer mine.

So now it's your turn.

Do you condemn the party that changed its name from Herut to Likud and was called fascist/nazi by Einstein for its genocidal actions?

A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

Yeah....no. You didn't. "I'm not a Muslim" ain't an answer. It's a running away from the question.

And sorry mate, I already answered your question about condemning Herut. My answer was "sure. why not?".

Your turn now.

Give me YOUR explanation for why there are protests around the world---that you support----to keep the Israelis for taking an eye for an eye, and going after Hamas.

Yet there isn't a single protest for Hamas, and what their part is this mess is? Take your time, and think about it. Give me YOUR opinion why....