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DMac wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:50 pm Haven't been following all that closely, thnx.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:08 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:45 pm

DMac wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:45 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:51 pm Military doesn't get an exception...why would they?

Baloney. Why would they? Because they're not only voting for the President, they're also voting for their CINC who can send them off to war.

If you didn't read the irony intended in a fan's post, pointing out the hypocrisy, try again. He's merely saying that if there actually is a serious danger of phony mail-in ballots pretending to be someone they aren't, then make the same rule for all voters. All of us citizens have an equal right to vote.

But he doesn't buy that there's an actual danger any more for you or me or someone serving or someone traveling overseas or for that matter just out of state or someone in a nursing home...

He's just calling out the hypocrisy.

Of course mail-in ballots can be done safely.
It's just the Dem votes that bother the GOP.

So, if concerned, either no one gets to vote that way or make the necessary efforts to validate that the votes cast match the signatures registered. It ain't that hard. Which, of course, is what well-run states do.

But the MAGA GOP needs an excuse they can peddle for losing.

Why are you not stating certainty above, yet pass judgment on those that believe there is fraudulent voting.

How do you square this?

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:18 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:08 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:45 pm

DMac wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:45 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:51 pm Military doesn't get an exception...why would they?

Baloney. Why would they? Because they're not only voting for the President, they're also voting for their CINC who can send them off to war.

If you didn't read the irony intended in a fan's post, pointing out the hypocrisy, try again. He's merely saying that if there actually is a serious danger of phony mail-in ballots pretending to be someone they aren't, then make the same rule for all voters. All of us citizens have an equal right to vote.

But he doesn't buy that there's an actual danger any more for you or me or someone serving or someone traveling overseas or for that matter just out of state or someone in a nursing home...

He's just calling out the hypocrisy.

Of course mail-in ballots can be done safely.
It's just the Dem votes that bother the GOP.

So, if concerned, either no one gets to vote that way or make the necessary efforts to validate that the votes cast match the signatures registered. It ain't that hard. Which, of course, is what well-run states do.

But the MAGA GOP needs an excuse they can peddle for losing.

Why are you not stating certainty above, yet pass judgment on those that believe there is fraudulent voting.

How do you square this?

Sheesh, you're going to choose to interpret my use of the words "can be" as suggesting that I think they aren't safe???

No, as GOP Secretaries of State have affirmed, and as the GOP AG affirmed, there was NO evidence of fraud in anything close to the magnitude that it would have come remotely close to tipping any election result in 2020. It was done safely and securely, indeed as the GOP guy whose primary job was to assure such security told us, it was "the safest and most secure and accurate election in history".

No one ever produced any significant examples of fraud. Onesy twosy at most, and that skewed as GOP fraud.

And it ain't like there were lots and lots of cases brought in court alleging that fraud had occurred, yet all such dismissed as not producing a shred of evidence to support such claims. and it ain't as if there weren't lots and lots of audits to make sure there were no issues...again, nothing, nada.

So, yeah, if someone continues to deny election security based on totally bogus claims, I'm gonna "pass judgment".

If you were seriously asking whether we should be concerned about election fraud, I'd say of course we should...and have the seriously careful and thorough procedures that we do. That's the answer...plus putting any actual criminals in jail if anyone actually attempts it.

Can we all agree on the last?

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:18 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:08 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:45 pm

DMac wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:45 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:51 pm Military doesn't get an exception...why would they?

Baloney. Why would they? Because they're not only voting for the President, they're also voting for their CINC who can send them off to war.

If you didn't read the irony intended in a fan's post, pointing out the hypocrisy, try again. He's merely saying that if there actually is a serious danger of phony mail-in ballots pretending to be someone they aren't, then make the same rule for all voters. All of us citizens have an equal right to vote.

But he doesn't buy that there's an actual danger any more for you or me or someone serving or someone traveling overseas or for that matter just out of state or someone in a nursing home...

He's just calling out the hypocrisy.

Of course mail-in ballots can be done safely.
It's just the Dem votes that bother the GOP.

So, if concerned, either no one gets to vote that way or make the necessary efforts to validate that the votes cast match the signatures registered. It ain't that hard. Which, of course, is what well-run states do.

But the MAGA GOP needs an excuse they can peddle for losing.

Why are you not stating certainty above, yet pass judgment on those that believe there is fraudulent voting.

How do you square this?

Sheesh, you're going to choose to interpret my use of the words "can be" as suggesting that I think they aren't safe???

No, as GOP Secretaries of State have affirmed, and as the GOP AG affirmed, there was NO evidence of fraud in anything close to the magnitude that it would have come remotely close to tipping any election result in 2020. It was done safely and securely, indeed as the GOP guy whose primary job was to assure such security told us, it was "the safest and most secure and accurate election in history".

No one ever produced any significant examples of fraud. Onesy twosy at most, and that skewed as GOP fraud.

And it ain't like there were lots and lots of cases brought in court alleging that fraud had occurred, yet all such dismissed as not producing a shred of evidence to support such claims. and it ain't as if there weren't lots and lots of audits to make sure there were no issues...again, nothing, nada.

So, yeah, if someone continues to deny election security based on totally bogus claims, I'm gonna "pass judgment".

If you were seriously asking whether we should be concerned about election fraud, I'd say of course we should...and have the seriously careful and thorough procedures that we do. That's the answer...plus putting any actual criminals in jail if anyone actually attempts it.

Can we all agree on the last?

And yet France manages to handle over 40 million voters with no mail in or early voting, one election day on a Sunday and have the results almost immediately. Oh, and almost 100% paper ballots with very few machines, hand counted. I guess they value an honest election way more than who wins.

ggait wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:20 pm

And yet France manages to handle over 40 million voters with no mail in or early voting, one election day on a Sunday and have the results almost immediately. Oh, and almost 100% paper ballots with very few machines, hand counted. I guess they value an honest election way more than who wins.

Great idea. How much more are you willing to pay for that in taxes. Because mail voting is substantially cheaper to do. Let's go through the deets.

France elections are done centrally by the federal government.

Election day in France is on Sunday.

France does not have an electoral college.

France has one time zone. The US has six.

Any idea how long the lines are to vote in France? Black folks trying to vote in Georgia have to wait for up to 10 hours. Because rat-forking racist vote suppressors (a centuries long tradition in the USA) don't want to make voting to easy for the black, brown and young folks who vote D.

And I'd be fine making all the FNC watching geezers get off the couch and go stand in line at the polls. You do know that geezers vote more by mail than anyone else, right?

I'd be fine if we had in person voting only. But only if we spend the time and money to clean up our voting act like the French have.

But unless you are willing to do that, then you are just a rat-forking racist vote suppressor in my book.

Cheers.

P.S. Of course Arizona (a red state historically) should clean up its counting act. No problems counting mail ballots in places like Colorado or Florida. So just b*tch at the states that don't have their act together. And please leave states (like CO) alone -- cause we totally have our act together. #1 in voter registration; #2 in voter turnout.

How is that possible? Because we don't let rat-forking fascists like you mess with our excellent election system.

And yet France manages to handle over 40 million voters with no mail in or early voting, one election day on a Sunday and have the results almost immediately. Oh, and almost 100% paper ballots with very few machines, hand counted. I guess they value an honest election way more than who wins.

get it to x wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:42 pm

ggait wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:20 pm

And yet France manages to handle over 40 million voters with no mail in or early voting, one election day on a Sunday and have the results almost immediately. Oh, and almost 100% paper ballots with very few machines, hand counted. I guess they value an honest election way more than who wins.

Great idea. How much more are you willing to pay for that in taxes. Because mail voting is substantially cheaper to do. Let's go through the deets.

France elections are done centrally by the federal government.

Election day in France is on Sunday.

France does not have an electoral college.

France has one time zone. The US has six.

Any idea how long the lines are to vote in France? Black folks trying to vote in Georgia have to wait for up to 10 hours. Because rat-forking racist vote suppressors (a centuries long tradition in the USA) don't want to make voting to easy for the black, brown and young folks who vote D.

And I'd be fine making all the FNC watching geezers get off the couch and go stand in line at the polls. You do know that geezers vote more by mail than anyone else, right?

I'd be fine if we had in person voting only. But only if we spend the time and money to clean up our voting act like the French have.

But unless you are willing to do that, then you are just a rat-forking racist vote suppressor in my book.

Cheers.

P.S. Of course Arizona (a red state historically) should clean up its counting act. No problems counting mail ballots in places like Colorado or Florida. So just b*tch at the states that don't have their act together. And please leave states (like CO) alone -- cause we totally have our act together. #1 in voter registration; #2 in voter turnout.

How is that possible? Because we don't let rat-forking fascists like you mess with our excellent election system.

You are so deluded on the Georgia law. Many more minority votes and overall votes since their law was passed. Yes, voted for my Senator, Tim Scott, so I guess that makes me a racist. Or maybe you think he's an "Uncle Tom". BTW, Uncle Tom was actually the hero of Uncle Tom's Cabin. Sambo was the slave who ratted out slaves seeking freedom. Maybe you're a Sambo.

ggait wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:47 pm

And yet France manages to handle over 40 million voters with no mail in or early voting, one election day on a Sunday and have the results almost immediately. Oh, and almost 100% paper ballots with very few machines, hand counted. I guess they value an honest election way more than who wins.

X -- You were trolling/advocating in person only voting. Like they do in France. So I fact checked your troll BS. Deal with it.

My point was that in GA, folks (mostly) black have to stand in line for up to 10 hours in order to vote in person. Which is flat out racist and unacceptable in a democracy.

Thankfully, they do have early voting and mail voting in Georgia. Which you oppose for no logical reason at all, except maybe that you'd rather not have those other people voting. How about we let people vote the way they want to vote. Why should we all have to do it the way you say. Fork off.

You trolled up the subject of in person voting, not me.

Cheers.

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:34 am

ggait wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:47 pm

And yet France manages to handle over 40 million voters with no mail in or early voting, one election day on a Sunday and have the results almost immediately. Oh, and almost 100% paper ballots with very few machines, hand counted. I guess they value an honest election way more than who wins.

X -- You were trolling/advocating in person only voting. Like they do in France. So I fact checked your troll BS. Deal with it.

My point was that in GA, folks (mostly) black have to stand in line for up to 10 hours in order to vote in person. Which is flat out racist and unacceptable in a democracy.

Thankfully, they do have early voting and mail voting in Georgia. Which you oppose for no logical reason at all, except maybe that you'd rather not have those other people voting. How about we let people vote the way they want to vote. Why should we all have to do it the way you say. Fork off.

You trolled up the subject of in person voting, not me.

Cheers.

Dems won plenty of elections when we only voted on one day. Not to say there wasn't fraud. See Kennedy in Illinois and Nixon in Texas in 1960. Do you think not knowing all of these races a week after election day promotes confidence in the system? Call me a conspiracy theorist if you will. Maybe the plan is to just have people say, "Well, my vote doesn't matter, so why bother?"

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:31 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:18 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:08 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:45 pm

DMac wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:45 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:51 pm Military doesn't get an exception...why would they?

Baloney. Why would they? Because they're not only voting for the President, they're also voting for their CINC who can send them off to war.

If you didn't read the irony intended in a fan's post, pointing out the hypocrisy, try again. He's merely saying that if there actually is a serious danger of phony mail-in ballots pretending to be someone they aren't, then make the same rule for all voters. All of us citizens have an equal right to vote.

But he doesn't buy that there's an actual danger any more for you or me or someone serving or someone traveling overseas or for that matter just out of state or someone in a nursing home...

He's just calling out the hypocrisy.

Of course mail-in ballots can be done safely.
It's just the Dem votes that bother the GOP.

So, if concerned, either no one gets to vote that way or make the necessary efforts to validate that the votes cast match the signatures registered. It ain't that hard. Which, of course, is what well-run states do.

But the MAGA GOP needs an excuse they can peddle for losing.

Why are you not stating certainty above, yet pass judgment on those that believe there is fraudulent voting.

How do you square this?

Sheesh, you're going to choose to interpret my use of the words "can be" as suggesting that I think they aren't safe???

No, as GOP Secretaries of State have affirmed, and as the GOP AG affirmed, there was NO evidence of fraud in anything close to the magnitude that it would have come remotely close to tipping any election result in 2020. It was done safely and securely, indeed as the GOP guy whose primary job was to assure such security told us, it was "the safest and most secure and accurate election in history".

No one ever produced any significant examples of fraud. Onesy twosy at most, and that skewed as GOP fraud.

And it ain't like there were lots and lots of cases brought in court alleging that fraud had occurred, yet all such dismissed as not producing a shred of evidence to support such claims. and it ain't as if there weren't lots and lots of audits to make sure there were no issues...again, nothing, nada.

So, yeah, if someone continues to deny election security based on totally bogus claims, I'm gonna "pass judgment".

If you were seriously asking whether we should be concerned about election fraud, I'd say of course we should...and have the seriously careful and thorough procedures that we do. That's the answer...plus putting any actual criminals in jail if anyone actually attempts it.

Can we all agree on the last?

why yes, it’s what happens in this place daily. Just search any thread with bold large font.

I was only concerned about my original question. I believe you said that there is fraud with mail in voting without actually saying it.A simple yes or no woulda worked

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:34 am

ggait wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:47 pm

And yet France manages to handle over 40 million voters with no mail in or early voting, one election day on a Sunday and have the results almost immediately. Oh, and almost 100% paper ballots with very few machines, hand counted. I guess they value an honest election way more than who wins.

X -- You were trolling/advocating in person only voting. Like they do in France. So I fact checked your troll BS. Deal with it.

My point was that in GA, folks (mostly) black have to stand in line for up to 10 hours in order to vote in person. Which is flat out racist and unacceptable in a democracy.

Thankfully, they do have early voting and mail voting in Georgia. Which you oppose for no logical reason at all, except maybe that you'd rather not have those other people voting. How about we let people vote the way they want to vote. Why should we all have to do it the way you say. Fork off.

You trolled up the subject of in person voting, not me.

Cheers.

Dems won plenty of elections when we only voted on one day. Not to say there wasn't fraud. See Kennedy in Illinois and Nixon in Texas in 1960. Do you think not knowing all of these races a week after election day promotes confidence in the system? Call me a conspiracy theorist if you will. Maybe the plan is to just have people say, "Well, my vote doesn't matter, so why bother?"

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:56 am

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:34 am

ggait wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:47 pm

And yet France manages to handle over 40 million voters with no mail in or early voting, one election day on a Sunday and have the results almost immediately. Oh, and almost 100% paper ballots with very few machines, hand counted. I guess they value an honest election way more than who wins.

X -- You were trolling/advocating in person only voting. Like they do in France. So I fact checked your troll BS. Deal with it.

My point was that in GA, folks (mostly) black have to stand in line for up to 10 hours in order to vote in person. Which is flat out racist and unacceptable in a democracy.

Thankfully, they do have early voting and mail voting in Georgia. Which you oppose for no logical reason at all, except maybe that you'd rather not have those other people voting. How about we let people vote the way they want to vote. Why should we all have to do it the way you say. Fork off.

You trolled up the subject of in person voting, not me.

Cheers.

Dems won plenty of elections when we only voted on one day. Not to say there wasn't fraud. See Kennedy in Illinois and Nixon in Texas in 1960. Do you think not knowing all of these races a week after election day promotes confidence in the system? Call me a conspiracy theorist if you will. Maybe the plan is to just have people say, "Well, my vote doesn't matter, so why bother?"

Participation has been up, not down, with early and mail-in.
Who do you think is getting the message that their vote doesn't matter?

Those voting for losers?

jhu72 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:08 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:18 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:08 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:45 pm

DMac wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:45 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:51 pm Military doesn't get an exception...why would they?

Baloney. Why would they? Because they're not only voting for the President, they're also voting for their CINC who can send them off to war.

If you didn't read the irony intended in a fan's post, pointing out the hypocrisy, try again. He's merely saying that if there actually is a serious danger of phony mail-in ballots pretending to be someone they aren't, then make the same rule for all voters. All of us citizens have an equal right to vote.

But he doesn't buy that there's an actual danger any more for you or me or someone serving or someone traveling overseas or for that matter just out of state or someone in a nursing home...

He's just calling out the hypocrisy.

Of course mail-in ballots can be done safely.
It's just the Dem votes that bother the GOP.

So, if concerned, either no one gets to vote that way or make the necessary efforts to validate that the votes cast match the signatures registered. It ain't that hard. Which, of course, is what well-run states do.

But the MAGA GOP needs an excuse they can peddle for losing.

Why are you not stating certainty above, yet pass judgment on those that believe there is fraudulent voting.

How do you square this?

Sheesh, you're going to choose to interpret my use of the words "can be" as suggesting that I think they aren't safe???

No, as GOP Secretaries of State have affirmed, and as the GOP AG affirmed, there was NO evidence of fraud in anything close to the magnitude that it would have come remotely close to tipping any election result in 2020. It was done safely and securely, indeed as the GOP guy whose primary job was to assure such security told us, it was "the safest and most secure and accurate election in history".

No one ever produced any significant examples of fraud. Onesy twosy at most, and that skewed as GOP fraud.

And it ain't like there were lots and lots of cases brought in court alleging that fraud had occurred, yet all such dismissed as not producing a shred of evidence to support such claims. and it ain't as if there weren't lots and lots of audits to make sure there were no issues...again, nothing, nada.

So, yeah, if someone continues to deny election security based on totally bogus claims, I'm gonna "pass judgment".

If you were seriously asking whether we should be concerned about election fraud, I'd say of course we should...and have the seriously careful and thorough procedures that we do. That's the answer...plus putting any actual criminals in jail if anyone actually attempts it.

Can we all agree on the last?

... you are wasting your time, he has fallen down the hole in the outhouse floor.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:33 am

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:34 am

ggait wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:47 pm

And yet France manages to handle over 40 million voters with no mail in or early voting, one election day on a Sunday and have the results almost immediately. Oh, and almost 100% paper ballots with very few machines, hand counted. I guess they value an honest election way more than who wins.

X -- You were trolling/advocating in person only voting. Like they do in France. So I fact checked your troll BS. Deal with it.

My point was that in GA, folks (mostly) black have to stand in line for up to 10 hours in order to vote in person. Which is flat out racist and unacceptable in a democracy.

Thankfully, they do have early voting and mail voting in Georgia. Which you oppose for no logical reason at all, except maybe that you'd rather not have those other people voting. How about we let people vote the way they want to vote. Why should we all have to do it the way you say. Fork off.

You trolled up the subject of in person voting, not me.

Cheers.

Dems won plenty of elections when we only voted on one day. Not to say there wasn't fraud. See Kennedy in Illinois and Nixon in Texas in 1960. Do you think not knowing all of these races a week after election day promotes confidence in the system? Call me a conspiracy theorist if you will. Maybe the plan is to just have people say, "Well, my vote doesn't matter, so why bother?"

You sound like a loser. Would hate to see you after your lax team suffers a loss…..

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:34 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:33 am

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:34 am

ggait wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:47 pm

And yet France manages to handle over 40 million voters with no mail in or early voting, one election day on a Sunday and have the results almost immediately. Oh, and almost 100% paper ballots with very few machines, hand counted. I guess they value an honest election way more than who wins.

X -- You were trolling/advocating in person only voting. Like they do in France. So I fact checked your troll BS. Deal with it.

My point was that in GA, folks (mostly) black have to stand in line for up to 10 hours in order to vote in person. Which is flat out racist and unacceptable in a democracy.

Thankfully, they do have early voting and mail voting in Georgia. Which you oppose for no logical reason at all, except maybe that you'd rather not have those other people voting. How about we let people vote the way they want to vote. Why should we all have to do it the way you say. Fork off.

You trolled up the subject of in person voting, not me.

Cheers.

Dems won plenty of elections when we only voted on one day. Not to say there wasn't fraud. See Kennedy in Illinois and Nixon in Texas in 1960. Do you think not knowing all of these races a week after election day promotes confidence in the system? Call me a conspiracy theorist if you will. Maybe the plan is to just have people say, "Well, my vote doesn't matter, so why bother?"

You sound like a loser. Would hate to see you after your lax team suffers a loss…..

Really? You have over 25,000 posts on a lacrosse website. You need to get a life. I stop in here occasionally to follow the Hopkins thread and talk politics. As a Jay fan it’s rough lately but I’m generally an optimist. Now if you want to talk golf, you’re a little closer to the truth.

Of course there is fraud, and in some close races it could tip the scales. My biggest takeaway from this is Mitch was almost as anti-Populist as any Democrat. He didn’t support populist candidates in NH, AK, AZ. Populism is the enemy of the establishment. Also, Dems are street fighters while Reps are less likely to resort to ballot harvesting and primary crossover to elect poor Republicans. Laxalt is an example.