It has to do with our size, dispersal, decentralized govt structure & travel patterns. We were too big, too dispersed & lacked the adequate public health infrastructure, test kits, lab capacity & ppe to do adequate contact tracing & isolation. We were playing catch up from the start.
But there's really no excuse for AZ/TX/FL-stan. If you saw what was happening in NY/NJ-stan, your reaction shouldn't be "Re-open!" and "Where's my apology?" Instead, you should be Germany -- they saw what was happening to their neighbors, took it seriously from the beginning, and never got hit badly. Douglas MacArthur -- all failures can be summed up by two words -- Too late.
Unlike Germany, S Korea, Taiwan & Japan, we did not have adequate lab capacity & contact tracing personnel or procedures in the states you name. NY/NJ-stan numbers have come down because their vulnerable were killed off, not because of superior leadership, planning or execution.
What is the case/fatality rate in AZ/TX/FL-stan compared to NY/NJ-stan ?
Whoa, did you really say that the vulnerable in NY and NJ have been killed off and that's why the numbers are down???
That may be the dumbest thing, outside of Petey's and 6ft's trolling, we've heard today.
...& the mostly peaceful protests are not super spreader events. Okie Dokie.
Is that supposed to be a response to your dumb statement about killing off vulnerable people...???
You can't really argue the protest=super spreader point with me Salty. I expressed concern about protestors without masks from the outset. I was pleased that the protests that were well organized appeared to have very strong mask compliance, though not total, but when things got violent there appeared to also be lower mask compliance. Definitely an issue.
But sure, there's a difference between gatherings in which most people are wearing masks and events where most people aren't, indeed in which not wearing a mask is part of giving the finger to the rest of us.
.. They were killed off by the virus. You blame everything on Trump. When you do so, you ignore the actions of state & local leaders.
I've bolded and enlarged your dumb statement that "their numbers have come down because their vulnerable were killed off..."
As I don't think you, yourself, are dumb, nor ignorant for that matter, I expressed surprise at that dumb statement...
If you want to argue that, oops, yes it was poor political leadership and want to include DeBlasio, I'm ok with that up to a point...did DiBlasio have the same briefings on it that Trump did???
I'm the opposite of a DiBlasio fan, btw, but let's not kid ourselves about who was briefed at what level and who was not. Previously the argument was made that Trump simply didn't know how wrong he was...now we have it in his own words, on tape, that he purposely misled the American people.
The handful of people I know, working for Partners Health system, knew about V19 by the end of January. JANUARY. Didn't realize the POTUSA tv reality show guy was YOUR doctor.
Since when is a virus "secret" ?
Please answer this question (s) :
Did POTUSA try to invoke the war powers act to make PPE stuff here, in the USA? yes or no
WHO.....stopped that process? Congress, or tRump?
Sheesh, I knew about it because my son was in Shanghai. We knew about the virus.
The question was whether it was serious or not...I was yelling each time Trump 'downplayed' it that he was going to cost lives because his followers would actually believe him.
Trump did invoke powers, he then didn't use them. He just made noise, no action.
Congress had nothing to do with his decision to not use those powers. What did Congress do?
They dramatically increased the funding to combat the virus multiples more than Trump's request!
It has to do with our size, dispersal, decentralized govt structure & travel patterns. We were too big, too dispersed & lacked the adequate public health infrastructure, test kits, lab capacity & ppe to do adequate contact tracing & isolation. We were playing catch up from the start.
But there's really no excuse for AZ/TX/FL-stan. If you saw what was happening in NY/NJ-stan, your reaction shouldn't be "Re-open!" and "Where's my apology?" Instead, you should be Germany -- they saw what was happening to their neighbors, took it seriously from the beginning, and never got hit badly. Douglas MacArthur -- all failures can be summed up by two words -- Too late.
Unlike Germany, S Korea, Taiwan & Japan, we did not have adequate lab capacity & contact tracing personnel or procedures in the states you name. NY/NJ-stan numbers have come down because their vulnerable were killed off, not because of superior leadership, planning or execution.
What is the case/fatality rate in AZ/TX/FL-stan compared to NY/NJ-stan ?
Whoa, did you really say that the vulnerable in NY and NJ have been killed off and that's why the numbers are down???
That may be the dumbest thing, outside of Petey's and 6ft's trolling, we've heard today.
...& the mostly peaceful protests are not super spreader events. Okie Dokie.
Is that supposed to be a response to your dumb statement about killing off vulnerable people...???
You can't really argue the protest=super spreader point with me Salty. I expressed concern about protestors without masks from the outset. I was pleased that the protests that were well organized appeared to have very strong mask compliance, though not total, but when things got violent there appeared to also be lower mask compliance. Definitely an issue.
But sure, there's a difference between gatherings in which most people are wearing masks and events where most people aren't, indeed in which not wearing a mask is part of giving the finger to the rest of us.
.. They were killed off by the virus. You blame everything on Trump. When you do so, you ignore the actions of state & local leaders.
I've bolded and enlarged your dumb statement that "their numbers have come down because their vulnerable were killed off..."
As I don't think you, yourself, are dumb, nor ignorant for that matter, I expressed surprise at that dumb statement...
If you want to argue that, oops, yes it was poor political leadership and want to include DeBlasio, I'm ok with that up to a point...did DiBlasio have the same briefings on it that Trump did???
I'm the opposite of a DiBlasio fan, btw, but let's not kid ourselves about who was briefed at what level and who was not. Previously the argument was made that Trump simply didn't know how wrong he was...now we have it in his own words, on tape, that he purposely misled the American people.
The handful of people I know, working for Partners Health system, knew about V19 by the end of January. JANUARY. Didn't realize the POTUSA tv reality show guy was YOUR doctor.
Since when is a virus "secret" ?
Please answer this question (s) :
Did POTUSA try to invoke the war powers act to make PPE stuff here, in the USA? yes or no
WHO.....stopped that process? Congress, or tRump?
Sheesh, I knew about it because my son was in Shanghai. We knew about the virus.
The question was whether it was serious or not...I was yelling each time Trump 'downplayed' it that he was going to cost lives because his followers would actually believe him.
Trump did invoke powers, he then didn't use them. He just made noise, no action.
Congress had nothing to do with his decision to not use those powers. What did Congress do?
They dramatically increased the funding to combat the virus multiples more than Trump's request!
exactly the opposite of what happened. How stupid do you think we all are.
We watched the daily press conferences from the white house. With all the members of the Coronavirus task force trump assembled reporting progress on all fronts. PPE, Ventilators, Hospital Bed construction, mask glove manufacturing and logistic increases.
"Don't believe your lying eyes believe what I told you happened"
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:24 am
So dumb, so uninformed, so cultish.
FDR asked his fellow Americans to find courage in those dark days of the Depression, to persevere.
And he took action, sweeping actions, to combat the economic collapse. Some of which worked, some only held the tide of worse outcomes, that itself being a benefit.
What FDR did not do was tell the American people that the country didn't face an enormous challenge.
Bullsh*t
FDR "lied" to the American people until Pearl Harbor pulled his nuts out of the fire.
Really, now you're a historian?
But ok, you want to try to change the topic...
Nope, the economy had grown significantly well before Pearl Harbor.
Now, it would be fair to say that production for Lend Lease and our own preparations for war stimulated the economy, massive federal stimulus. But that was way before Pearl Harbor.
It has to do with our size, dispersal, decentralized govt structure & travel patterns. We were too big, too dispersed & lacked the adequate public health infrastructure, test kits, lab capacity & ppe to do adequate contact tracing & isolation. We were playing catch up from the start.
But there's really no excuse for AZ/TX/FL-stan. If you saw what was happening in NY/NJ-stan, your reaction shouldn't be "Re-open!" and "Where's my apology?" Instead, you should be Germany -- they saw what was happening to their neighbors, took it seriously from the beginning, and never got hit badly. Douglas MacArthur -- all failures can be summed up by two words -- Too late.
Unlike Germany, S Korea, Taiwan & Japan, we did not have adequate lab capacity & contact tracing personnel or procedures in the states you name. NY/NJ-stan numbers have come down because their vulnerable were killed off, not because of superior leadership, planning or execution.
What is the case/fatality rate in AZ/TX/FL-stan compared to NY/NJ-stan ?
Whoa, did you really say that the vulnerable in NY and NJ have been killed off and that's why the numbers are down???
That may be the dumbest thing, outside of Petey's and 6ft's trolling, we've heard today.
...& the mostly peaceful protests are not super spreader events. Okie Dokie.
Is that supposed to be a response to your dumb statement about killing off vulnerable people...???
You can't really argue the protest=super spreader point with me Salty. I expressed concern about protestors without masks from the outset. I was pleased that the protests that were well organized appeared to have very strong mask compliance, though not total, but when things got violent there appeared to also be lower mask compliance. Definitely an issue.
But sure, there's a difference between gatherings in which most people are wearing masks and events where most people aren't, indeed in which not wearing a mask is part of giving the finger to the rest of us.
.. They were killed off by the virus. You blame everything on Trump. When you do so, you ignore the actions of state & local leaders.
I've bolded and enlarged your dumb statement that "their numbers have come down because their vulnerable were killed off..."
As I don't think you, yourself, are dumb, nor ignorant for that matter, I expressed surprise at that dumb statement...
If you want to argue that, oops, yes it was poor political leadership and want to include DeBlasio, I'm ok with that up to a point...did DiBlasio have the same briefings on it that Trump did???
I'm the opposite of a DiBlasio fan, btw, but let's not kid ourselves about who was briefed at what level and who was not. Previously the argument was made that Trump simply didn't know how wrong he was...now we have it in his own words, on tape, that he purposely misled the American people.
The handful of people I know, working for Partners Health system, knew about V19 by the end of January. JANUARY. Didn't realize the POTUSA tv reality show guy was YOUR doctor.
Since when is a virus "secret" ?
Please answer this question (s) :
Did POTUSA try to invoke the war powers act to make PPE stuff here, in the USA? yes or no
WHO.....stopped that process? Congress, or tRump?
Sheesh, I knew about it because my son was in Shanghai. We knew about the virus.
The question was whether it was serious or not...I was yelling each time Trump 'downplayed' it that he was going to cost lives because his followers would actually believe him.
Trump did invoke powers, he then didn't use them. He just made noise, no action.
Congress had nothing to do with his decision to not use those powers. What did Congress do?
They dramatically increased the funding to combat the virus multiples more than Trump's request!
exactly the opposite of what happened. How stupid do you think we all are.
We watched the daily press conferences from the white house. With all the members of the Coronavirus task force trump assembled reporting progress on all fronts. PPE, Ventilators Hospital Bed construction.
"Don't believe your lying eyes believe what I told you happened"
6ft, your reading comprehension deficit betrays you once again.
RRR was implying that Congress stopped Trump for using his full powers. Not in the slightest.
Trump did invoke the act, but didn't actually use it. That doesn't mean they did zero, but they sure as heck didn't use those powers to nationalize the production, acquisition, and distribution of PPE...they instead told the States they were on their own to make those purchases.
Yes, we really do think you guys are stupid. You keep proving it.
It has to do with our size, dispersal, decentralized govt structure & travel patterns. We were too big, too dispersed & lacked the adequate public health infrastructure, test kits, lab capacity & ppe to do adequate contact tracing & isolation. We were playing catch up from the start.
But there's really no excuse for AZ/TX/FL-stan. If you saw what was happening in NY/NJ-stan, your reaction shouldn't be "Re-open!" and "Where's my apology?" Instead, you should be Germany -- they saw what was happening to their neighbors, took it seriously from the beginning, and never got hit badly. Douglas MacArthur -- all failures can be summed up by two words -- Too late.
Unlike Germany, S Korea, Taiwan & Japan, we did not have adequate lab capacity & contact tracing personnel or procedures in the states you name. NY/NJ-stan numbers have come down because their vulnerable were killed off, not because of superior leadership, planning or execution.
What is the case/fatality rate in AZ/TX/FL-stan compared to NY/NJ-stan ?
Whoa, did you really say that the vulnerable in NY and NJ have been killed off and that's why the numbers are down???
That may be the dumbest thing, outside of Petey's and 6ft's trolling, we've heard today.
...& the mostly peaceful protests are not super spreader events. Okie Dokie.
Is that supposed to be a response to your dumb statement about killing off vulnerable people...???
You can't really argue the protest=super spreader point with me Salty. I expressed concern about protestors without masks from the outset. I was pleased that the protests that were well organized appeared to have very strong mask compliance, though not total, but when things got violent there appeared to also be lower mask compliance. Definitely an issue.
But sure, there's a difference between gatherings in which most people are wearing masks and events where most people aren't, indeed in which not wearing a mask is part of giving the finger to the rest of us.
.. They were killed off by the virus. You blame everything on Trump. When you do so, you ignore the actions of state & local leaders.
I've bolded and enlarged your dumb statement that "their numbers have come down because their vulnerable were killed off..."
As I don't think you, yourself, are dumb, nor ignorant for that matter, I expressed surprise at that dumb statement...
If you want to argue that, oops, yes it was poor political leadership and want to include DeBlasio, I'm ok with that up to a point...did DiBlasio have the same briefings on it that Trump did???
I'm the opposite of a DiBlasio fan, btw, but let's not kid ourselves about who was briefed at what level and who was not. Previously the argument was made that Trump simply didn't know how wrong he was...now we have it in his own words, on tape, that he purposely misled the American people.
The handful of people I know, working for Partners Health system, knew about V19 by the end of January. JANUARY. Didn't realize the POTUSA tv reality show guy was YOUR doctor.
Since when is a virus "secret" ?
Please answer this question (s) :
Did POTUSA try to invoke the war powers act to make PPE stuff here, in the USA? yes or no
WHO.....stopped that process? Congress, or tRump?
Sheesh, I knew about it because my son was in Shanghai. We knew about the virus.
The question was whether it was serious or not...I was yelling each time Trump 'downplayed' it that he was going to cost lives because his followers would actually believe him.
Trump did invoke powers, he then didn't use them. He just made noise, no action.
Congress had nothing to do with his decision to not use those powers. What did Congress do?
They dramatically increased the funding to combat the virus multiples more than Trump's request!
exactly the opposite of what happened. How stupid do you think we all are.
We watched the daily press conferences from the white house. With all the members of the Coronavirus task force trump assembled reporting progress on all fronts. PPE, Ventilators Hospital Bed construction.
"Don't believe your lying eyes believe what I told you happened"
6ft, your reading comprehension deficit betrays you once again.
RRR was implying that Congress stopped Trump for using his full powers. Not in the slightest.
Trump did invoke the act, but didn't actually use it. That doesn't mean they did zero, but they sure as heck didn't use those powers to nationalize the production, acquisition, and distribution of PPE...they instead told the States they were on their own to make those purchases.
Yes, we really do think you guys are stupid. You keep proving it.
Thats a lie.
When needed the act was invoked. With GM specifically.
It was threatened in other instances but the corporations came around without the strong arm.
It has to do with our size, dispersal, decentralized govt structure & travel patterns. We were too big, too dispersed & lacked the adequate public health infrastructure, test kits, lab capacity & ppe to do adequate contact tracing & isolation. We were playing catch up from the start.
But there's really no excuse for AZ/TX/FL-stan. If you saw what was happening in NY/NJ-stan, your reaction shouldn't be "Re-open!" and "Where's my apology?" Instead, you should be Germany -- they saw what was happening to their neighbors, took it seriously from the beginning, and never got hit badly. Douglas MacArthur -- all failures can be summed up by two words -- Too late.
Unlike Germany, S Korea, Taiwan & Japan, we did not have adequate lab capacity & contact tracing personnel or procedures in the states you name. NY/NJ-stan numbers have come down because their vulnerable were killed off, not because of superior leadership, planning or execution.
What is the case/fatality rate in AZ/TX/FL-stan compared to NY/NJ-stan ?
Whoa, did you really say that the vulnerable in NY and NJ have been killed off and that's why the numbers are down???
That may be the dumbest thing, outside of Petey's and 6ft's trolling, we've heard today.
...& the mostly peaceful protests are not super spreader events. Okie Dokie.
Is that supposed to be a response to your dumb statement about killing off vulnerable people...???
You can't really argue the protest=super spreader point with me Salty. I expressed concern about protestors without masks from the outset. I was pleased that the protests that were well organized appeared to have very strong mask compliance, though not total, but when things got violent there appeared to also be lower mask compliance. Definitely an issue.
But sure, there's a difference between gatherings in which most people are wearing masks and events where most people aren't, indeed in which not wearing a mask is part of giving the finger to the rest of us.
.. They were killed off by the virus. You blame everything on Trump. When you do so, you ignore the actions of state & local leaders.
I've bolded and enlarged your dumb statement that "their numbers have come down because their vulnerable were killed off..."
As I don't think you, yourself, are dumb, nor ignorant for that matter, I expressed surprise at that dumb statement...
If you want to argue that, oops, yes it was poor political leadership and want to include DeBlasio, I'm ok with that up to a point...did DiBlasio have the same briefings on it that Trump did???
I'm the opposite of a DiBlasio fan, btw, but let's not kid ourselves about who was briefed at what level and who was not. Previously the argument was made that Trump simply didn't know how wrong he was...now we have it in his own words, on tape, that he purposely misled the American people.
The handful of people I know, working for Partners Health system, knew about V19 by the end of January. JANUARY. Didn't realize the POTUSA tv reality show guy was YOUR doctor.
Since when is a virus "secret" ?
Please answer this question (s) :
Did POTUSA try to invoke the war powers act to make PPE stuff here, in the USA? yes or no
WHO.....stopped that process? Congress, or tRump?
Sheesh, I knew about it because my son was in Shanghai. We knew about the virus.
The question was whether it was serious or not...I was yelling each time Trump 'downplayed' it that he was going to cost lives because his followers would actually believe him.
Trump did invoke powers, he then didn't use them. He just made noise, no action.
Congress had nothing to do with his decision to not use those powers. What did Congress do?
They dramatically increased the funding to combat the virus multiples more than Trump's request!
exactly the opposite of what happened. How stupid do you think we all are.
We watched the daily press conferences from the white house. With all the members of the Coronavirus task force trump assembled reporting progress on all fronts. PPE, Ventilators Hospital Bed construction.
"Don't believe your lying eyes believe what I told you happened"
6ft, your reading comprehension deficit betrays you once again.
RRR was implying that Congress stopped Trump for using his full powers. Not in the slightest.
Trump did invoke the act, but didn't actually use it. That doesn't mean they did zero, but they sure as heck didn't use those powers to nationalize the production, acquisition, and distribution of PPE...they instead told the States they were on their own to make those purchases.
Yes, we really do think you guys are stupid. You keep proving it.
Thats a lie.
When needed the act was invoked. With GM specifically.
It was threatened in other instances but the corporations came around without the strong arm.
GM was already going to make the ventilators, FEMA had just canceled a major order when Trump then said he was "ordering" GM...
Read the whole article, everyone knew that GM was willing to produce ventilators and was moving fast to do so...Trump just didn't like the woman CEO and thought it would play well...https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/2 ... sts-151885
But they then totally biffed all the rest, from tests to PPE...and never used the act powers.
Yes, stupid to imagine otherwise.
Even RRR knew that the powers weren't used...
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:25 am
by runrussellrun
does it matter? that PPE's continue to be made overseas?
And why don't you people want to learn about EVENT 201? Was it beneficial? Nothing to be learned?
Than why do we give Johns Hopkins funds to do useless stuff?
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the administration's top infectious disease expert, is quoted telling others Trump's leadership was "rudderless" and that his "attention span is like a minus number."
Worth a read, and especially the tapes of his conversations with Trump...Woodward tapes everything, documents everything meticulously...
Since we’re in alternate universes where everyone gets their own interpretations we might as well go along with it. Fauci’s dismissal of mask wearing early on was to keep PPE in first responders’ hands. Trump’s dismissal of the entire thing was to keep us all safe. Fauci’s dismissal of his Trump ineptitude comments must be to keep him playing on the team so he still has a pulpit, no matter how small and low its become. Let’s see how Trump explains his next one.
I believe Fauci. You believe Trump. Alternate universes.
Edit to add: The only commonality is neither universe trusts the other. We are like the army ants mentioned in another thread, marching to our demise.
I will add, while listening to talk radio WTOP yesterday, a 30 year vet, served in the ME multiple times said it best... I will add, he was a black man, not a raging Trump supporter, just being pragmatic...in short he said: "when you are in the middle of a battle you want a leader that communicates and displays calmness and speaks with confidence and optimism. He said, he appreciated that about Trump and reminded us about how GWB did the same on 9/11".
He was damned if he did and damned if he did not. What if, he slipped up and said something like "we could all die" from this if we don't hunker down....panic and chaos would have certainly ensued.
February 7, 2020. More deadly. More serious. No disclosure. No action.
Trump owns this.
i expect we'll be getting attacks on trump coming at least every couple days thru "releases".
i'd certainly expect retaliation @ joe as well. "newly" unearthed vp stuff? or would they just be going on his record on things they think they can hit and also campaign flubs?
it's almost 2 months away, this is likely to be nothing but nasty. i guess 2016 was along the same lines for the most part.
be interesting to see if biden minions have him bouncing around with the new exclusives of the day or if covid becomes the dominant dig. i'd expect he bounces around, but they should probably find 2 or 3 that they think are most impactful.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:24 am
by Typical Lax Dad
I don’t want people to panic.....so we should go with “liberate your state”. “It’s a Dem hoax”....and “it’s just like the flu”....
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:26 am
by Typical Lax Dad
He ain’t lyin! He is just being Trump....he is being optimistic!!
This was really helpful...
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:27 am
by wgdsr
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:24 am
I don’t want people to panic.....so we should go with “liberate your state”. “It’s a Dem hoax”....and “it’s just like the flu”....
i would stop listening to him when it comes to science.
i know i've decided to now.
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:24 am
I don’t want people to panic.....so we should go with “liberate your state”. “It’s a Dem hoax”....and “it’s just like the flu”....
i would stop listening to him when it comes to science.
i know i've decided to now.
Unfortunately the average American ain’t us.....
194,000 dead and counting but what about Benghazi
Dude lied to the public he is sworn to protect....that Obama and Hillary were awful!!
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:43 am
by Typical Lax Dad
194,000 dead and counting but this dude had his feet on the desk!!! It makes my blood boil. That’s the Oval Office he is disrespecting!! His feet were on the desk!!!
Covid 19 is no big deal....liberate the states....back to work.
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:24 am
I don’t want people to panic.....so we should go with “liberate your state”. “It’s a Dem hoax”....and “it’s just like the flu”....
i would stop listening to him when it comes to science.
i know i've decided to now.
Unfortunately the average America ain’t us.....
194,000 dead and counting but what about Benghazi
Dude lied to the public he is sworn to protect....that Obama and Hillary were awful!!
even fauci bought it.
if we could only go back to the days of benghazi. philosophy on greater good, of course.
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:24 am
I don’t want people to panic.....so we should go with “liberate your state”. “It’s a Dem hoax”....and “it’s just like the flu”....
i would stop listening to him when it comes to science.
i know i've decided to now.
Unfortunately the average America ain’t us.....
194,000 dead and counting but what about Benghazi
Dude lied to the public he is sworn to protect....that Obama and Hillary were awful!!
even fauci bought it.
if we could only go back to the days of benghazi. philosophy on greater good, of course.
Yes he did!!! Old stupid Fauci took Trump’s word for it!!! Fauci knows nothing about Covid 19. Trump knew more than him and tricked him too!!! No biggie....most of that 194,000 was dying anyway.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:56 am
by Typical Lax Dad
Trump lying about Covid is no big deal...Hospitals are ginning up their numbers to get a bonus...194,000 and counting is really more like 12,000. Obama was far worse.
Trump lying about Covid is no big deal...Hospitals are ginning up theibr numbers to get a bonus...194,000 and counting is really more like 12,000. Obama was far worse.
those were simpler times.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:59 am
by Matnum PI
Chuck Martin@MrChuckMartin
16 hours ago
So I guess he told Bob Woodward how deadly the virus was, but not Herman Cain.
Trump lying about Covid is no big deal...Hospitals are ginning up theibr numbers to get a bonus...194,000 and counting is really more like 12,000. Obama was far worse.
those were simpler times.
Only suckers and losers believe that! Obama ran this country into the group. Have you seen the streets of Portland and Rochester? Only Trump can fix it.
. They were killed off by the virus. You blame everything on Trump. When you do so, you ignore the actions of state & local leaders.
