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SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:15 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:05 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:53 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:46 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:33 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:03 am

It is true that different countries had different timing, demographics and policies about Covid.

But at this point, they all have it mostly figured out. The Nordics, the Euros, Japan, SK, Canada, UK, Australia, NZ. Including some (Spain, Italy, UK, Sweden) that got completely hammered in March/April.

The real question is how come we are basically the only first world country that is still doing lousy?

Unlike those other 1st world countries, the virus is still in the initial community spread phase in much of the interior, as it worked it's way south, then west & now finally north into the midwest. It has to do with our size, dispersal, decentralized govt structure & travel patterns.

We were too big, too dispersed & lacked the adequate public health infrastructure, test kits, lab capacity & ppe to do adequate contact tracing & isolation. We were playing catch up from the start.

Ummm how is Canada doing relative to us?

Canada is more different than similar to the US in all the aspects I noted. Much less densely populated, fewer large urban centers, less dependent on public transportation, a national health care system in place.

For Salty, there's always an alternative explanation to anything re Trump's leadership.

We have too many Petey's in America, led by a idiot, narcissist crook with a massive bully pulpit he's used to exhort millions of Petey's to resist public health measures other countries have adopted easily.

...& for you, everything is about "Trump's leadership". I'm talking about how the virus has spread. It's impossible to have a rational discussion about anything without your intrusive reflexive TDS Tourrets interruptions.

That IS how the virus has spread. Trump’s lack of leadership, or choice of leadership style for those who think he’s lead at all, cannot be overlooked as a difference in how the US has addressed this pandemic compared to others.

holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:28 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:39 pmthat's a hard pass on china, south korea and thailand. & from what i've seen of vietnam, that'd be a no also. japan i've read some on and don't recall recoiling at anything, but up in the air.

Why the hard pass on South Korea?

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:03 am

It is true that different countries had different timing, demographics and policies about Covid.

But at this point, they all have it mostly figured out. The Nordics, the Euros, Japan, SK, Canada, UK, Australia, NZ. Including some (Spain, Italy, UK, Sweden) that got completely hammered in March/April.

The real question is how come we are basically the only first world country that is still doing lousy?

Unlike those other 1st world countries, the virus is still in the initial community spread phase in much of the interior, as it worked it's way south, then west & now finally north into the midwest. It has to do with our size, dispersal, decentralized govt structure & travel patterns.

We were too big, too dispersed & lacked the adequate public health infrastructure, test kits, lab capacity & ppe to do adequate contact tracing & isolation. We were playing catch up from the start.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:28 am

SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:15 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:05 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:53 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:46 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:33 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:03 am

It is true that different countries had different timing, demographics and policies about Covid.

But at this point, they all have it mostly figured out. The Nordics, the Euros, Japan, SK, Canada, UK, Australia, NZ. Including some (Spain, Italy, UK, Sweden) that got completely hammered in March/April.

The real question is how come we are basically the only first world country that is still doing lousy?

Unlike those other 1st world countries, the virus is still in the initial community spread phase in much of the interior, as it worked it's way south, then west & now finally north into the midwest. It has to do with our size, dispersal, decentralized govt structure & travel patterns.

We were too big, too dispersed & lacked the adequate public health infrastructure, test kits, lab capacity & ppe to do adequate contact tracing & isolation. We were playing catch up from the start.

Ummm how is Canada doing relative to us?

Canada is more different than similar to the US in all the aspects I noted. Much less densely populated, fewer large urban centers, less dependent on public transportation, a national health care system in place.

For Salty, there's always an alternative explanation to anything re Trump's leadership.

We have too many Petey's in America, led by a idiot, narcissist crook with a massive bully pulpit he's used to exhort millions of Petey's to resist public health measures other countries have adopted easily.

...& for you, everything is about "Trump's leadership". I'm talking about how the virus has spread. It's impossible to have a rational discussion about anything without your intrusive reflexive TDS Tourrets interruptions.

That IS how the virus has spread. Trump’s lack of leadership, or choice of leadership style for those who think he’s lead at all, cannot be overlooked as a difference in how the US has addressed this pandemic compared to others.

Trump is a given. I was attempting to have an analytical apolitical discussion about the pattern of the virus spread & how, which apparently is not possible in this forum without being drowned out by the TDS chorus.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:43 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:28 am

SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:15 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:05 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:53 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:46 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:33 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:03 am

It is true that different countries had different timing, demographics and policies about Covid.

But at this point, they all have it mostly figured out. The Nordics, the Euros, Japan, SK, Canada, UK, Australia, NZ. Including some (Spain, Italy, UK, Sweden) that got completely hammered in March/April.

The real question is how come we are basically the only first world country that is still doing lousy?

Unlike those other 1st world countries, the virus is still in the initial community spread phase in much of the interior, as it worked it's way south, then west & now finally north into the midwest. It has to do with our size, dispersal, decentralized govt structure & travel patterns.

We were too big, too dispersed & lacked the adequate public health infrastructure, test kits, lab capacity & ppe to do adequate contact tracing & isolation. We were playing catch up from the start.

Ummm how is Canada doing relative to us?

Canada is more different than similar to the US in all the aspects I noted. Much less densely populated, fewer large urban centers, less dependent on public transportation, a national health care system in place.

For Salty, there's always an alternative explanation to anything re Trump's leadership.

We have too many Petey's in America, led by a idiot, narcissist crook with a massive bully pulpit he's used to exhort millions of Petey's to resist public health measures other countries have adopted easily.

...& for you, everything is about "Trump's leadership". I'm talking about how the virus has spread. It's impossible to have a rational discussion about anything without your intrusive reflexive TDS Tourrets interruptions.

That IS how the virus has spread. Trump’s lack of leadership, or choice of leadership style for those who think he’s lead at all, cannot be overlooked as a difference in how the US has addressed this pandemic compared to others.

Trump is a given. I was attempting to have an analytical apolitical discussion about the pattern of the virus spread & how, which apparently is not possible in this forum without being drowned out by the TDS chorus.

no, you were trying to say that our exceptional nation is uniquely incapable of handling a pandemic, not because we have made really, really stupid mistakes in leadership and social response, but because "we're too big and too dispersed". However, Canada (which is bigger and more dispersed) has "fewer urban centers and less dependent on public transportation" yet, all sorts of other nations have dense population centers and are more dependent upon public transportation...

You're flailing all over the place to avoid the leadership and social response factor.

However, where I think you have added something rational to the equation is your inclusion of "lacked the adequate public health infrastructure, test kits, lab capacity & ppe to do adequate contact tracing & isolation". You note that Canada has a "national health care system in place" in contrast to the US. So do all those other developed nations that have performed better than the US. But some which have done poorly too also have them...

You mention decentralized government, which is indeed a factor particular to our leadership's response, which made a conscious decision to avoid federal responsibility and accountability by deferring key aspects of the response unnecessarily to states. This was a huge mistake, clearly so from the first months of the virus spread and the recognition of the criticality of PPE, tests, tracing. These did not need to be deferred to the states under our system of government, rather it was a conscious leadership decision to do so. It was stupid and it was cowardly.

Way too many Americans followed the advice of this cowardly leader and politicized public health response.

So, yeah, the US is "different".

It has to do with our size, dispersal, decentralized govt structure & travel patterns. We were too big, too dispersed & lacked the adequate public health infrastructure, test kits, lab capacity & ppe to do adequate contact tracing & isolation. We were playing catch up from the start.

CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:38 am Looks like the Fed's are done with COVID.

The U.S. Agency for International Development, which has been on the front lines of the battle with the coronavirus, is about to shut down the task force it set up to tackle the still-ongoing pandemic.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/0 ... rce-409885

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:40 am

CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:38 am Looks like the Fed's are done with COVID.

The U.S. Agency for International Development, which has been on the front lines of the battle with the coronavirus, is about to shut down the task force it set up to tackle the still-ongoing pandemic.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/0 ... rce-409885

We're turning the corner...

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:58 am Play down the seriousness of the virus....the suckers and losers won’t know any better


Dr. Anthony Fauci, the administration's top infectious disease expert, is quoted telling others Trump's leadership was "rudderless" and that his "attention span is like a minus number."

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:11 pm Trump knew early how dangerous the novel coronavirus was, but deliberately lied to the American people about the threat. Bob Woodward has tapes of Trump admitting his deception.

President Trump’s head popped up during his top-secret intelligence briefing in the Oval Office on Jan. 28 when the discussion turned to the novel coronavirus outbreak in China.

“This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency,” national security adviser Robert O’Brien told Trump, according to a new book by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward. “This is going to be the roughest thing you face.”

Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, agreed. He told the president that after reaching contacts in China, it was evident that the world faced a health emergency on par with the flu pandemic of 1918, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide.

Ten days later, Trump called Woodward and revealed that he thought the situation was far more dire than what he had been saying publicly.

“You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in a Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu.”

“This is deadly stuff,” the president repeated for emphasis.

At that time, Trump was telling the nation that the virus was no worse than a seasonal flu, predicting it would soon disappear, and insisting that the U.S. government had it totally under control. It would be several weeks before he would publicly acknowledge that the virus was no ordinary flu and that it could be transmitted through the air.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... g-news-bar

It’s amazing that some of you were stupid enough to believe Trump’s lies.

DocBarrister

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:16 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:11 pm Trump knew early how dangerous the novel coronavirus was, but deliberately lied to the American people about the threat. Bob Woodward has tapes of Trump admitting his deception.

President Trump’s head popped up during his top-secret intelligence briefing in the Oval Office on Jan. 28 when the discussion turned to the novel coronavirus outbreak in China.

“This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency,” national security adviser Robert O’Brien told Trump, according to a new book by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward. “This is going to be the roughest thing you face.”

Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, agreed. He told the president that after reaching contacts in China, it was evident that the world faced a health emergency on par with the flu pandemic of 1918, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide.

Ten days later, Trump called Woodward and revealed that he thought the situation was far more dire than what he had been saying publicly.

“You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in a Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu.”

“This is deadly stuff,” the president repeated for emphasis.

At that time, Trump was telling the nation that the virus was no worse than a seasonal flu, predicting it would soon disappear, and insisting that the U.S. government had it totally under control. It would be several weeks before he would publicly acknowledge that the virus was no ordinary flu and that it could be transmitted through the air.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... g-news-bar

It’s amazing that some of you were stupid enough to believe Trump’s lies.

DocBarrister

I am not amazed at all. Most still won’t believe it’s true even hearing Trump’s own voice. They will say “he didn’t mean it” or “this is what he really meant”....excuses you would not make for your own kid but people here excuse it all the time.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:12 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:58 am Play down the seriousness of the virus....the suckers and losers won’t know any better


Dr. Anthony Fauci, the administration's top infectious disease expert, is quoted telling others Trump's leadership was "rudderless" and that his "attention span is like a minus number."

Worth a read, and especially the tapes of his conversations with Trump...Woodward tapes everything, documents everything meticulously...

Gonna be a lot more...

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:16 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:11 pm Trump knew early how dangerous the novel coronavirus was, but deliberately lied to the American people about the threat. Bob Woodward has tapes of Trump admitting his deception.

President Trump’s head popped up during his top-secret intelligence briefing in the Oval Office on Jan. 28 when the discussion turned to the novel coronavirus outbreak in China.

“This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency,” national security adviser Robert O’Brien told Trump, according to a new book by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward. “This is going to be the roughest thing you face.”

Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, agreed. He told the president that after reaching contacts in China, it was evident that the world faced a health emergency on par with the flu pandemic of 1918, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide.

Ten days later, Trump called Woodward and revealed that he thought the situation was far more dire than what he had been saying publicly.

“You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in a Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu.”

“This is deadly stuff,” the president repeated for emphasis.

At that time, Trump was telling the nation that the virus was no worse than a seasonal flu, predicting it would soon disappear, and insisting that the U.S. government had it totally under control. It would be several weeks before he would publicly acknowledge that the virus was no ordinary flu and that it could be transmitted through the air.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... g-news-bar

It’s amazing that some of you were stupid enough to believe Trump’s lies.

DocBarrister

I am not amazed at all. Most still won’t believe it’s true even hearing Trump’s own voice. They will say “he didn’t mean it” or “this is what he really meant”....excuses you would not make for your own kid but people here excuse it all the time.

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:24 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:12 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:58 am Play down the seriousness of the virus....the suckers and losers won’t know any better


Dr. Anthony Fauci, the administration's top infectious disease expert, is quoted telling others Trump's leadership was "rudderless" and that his "attention span is like a minus number."

Worth a read, and especially the tapes of his conversations with Trump...Woodward tapes everything, documents everything meticulously...

Gonna be a lot more...

This Woodward book is going to shine a light on a lot of shady stuff in Trump world.

DocBarrister

njbill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:35 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:16 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:11 pm Trump knew early how dangerous the novel coronavirus was, but deliberately lied to the American people about the threat. Bob Woodward has tapes of Trump admitting his deception.

President Trump’s head popped up during his top-secret intelligence briefing in the Oval Office on Jan. 28 when the discussion turned to the novel coronavirus outbreak in China.

“This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency,” national security adviser Robert O’Brien told Trump, according to a new book by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward. “This is going to be the roughest thing you face.”

Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, agreed. He told the president that after reaching contacts in China, it was evident that the world faced a health emergency on par with the flu pandemic of 1918, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide.

Ten days later, Trump called Woodward and revealed that he thought the situation was far more dire than what he had been saying publicly.

“You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in a Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu.”

“This is deadly stuff,” the president repeated for emphasis.

At that time, Trump was telling the nation that the virus was no worse than a seasonal flu, predicting it would soon disappear, and insisting that the U.S. government had it totally under control. It would be several weeks before he would publicly acknowledge that the virus was no ordinary flu and that it could be transmitted through the air.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... g-news-bar

It’s amazing that some of you were stupid enough to believe Trump’s lies.

DocBarrister

I am not amazed at all. Most still won’t believe it’s true even hearing Trump’s own voice. They will say “he didn’t mean it” or “this is what he really meant”....excuses you would not make for your own kid but people here excuse it all the time.

Come on, TLD. You know he was just joking.