a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:44 pm
I gave you the path, and it ain't retroactive. My path is for RIGHT NOW. To quote you: you just don't LIKE my answer.
Until Republican voters hold their Republican President and Republican Representatives accountable...and either vote them out, or Primary them....nothing will change.
That's now how your team works. You're more than happy to "blame the Dems", give your reps something to run on next election, and be satisfied with the status quo. So that's what they do.
You're LITERALLY telling your reps to do nothing about the problem. So that's what they do.
Same goes for the Dems, obviously. Until THE VOTERS change their behavior, we'll continue to get passed up by other 1st world nations that have functional governments.
Immigration and VISA reform has been untouched for 50 years. At what point do partisans wake up and petition their own leaders?
Right. (R)'s are the only ones who want the issue, more than they want reform. ..
So long as our politics remain so race based, comp immigration reform is not possible.
The (D)'s wanted race based identity politics -- they've got it now. ...Trump was the inevitable reaction.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:58 pm
by a fan
So you completely ignored the part where I wrote "same goes for the Dems, obviously".
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:13 amSalty, the only reason it would need 60 votes was Trump's opposition.
McConnell would not have been able to block it.
I'm not surprised that folks would be enthusiastic about the Mexicans fighting the cartels. Major parts of Mexico are dominated by the cartels, through a combination of incredible violence and intimidation and corruption of the police and gov't officials. Incredibly dangerous for regular folks.
Same for Guatemala, and the rest of the Triangle.
The "Safe Third Party" is a complete joke, window dressing for posturing only. The notion that Guatemala is 'safe' for anyone other than those pledging fealty to the criminals is flat ridiculous.
The Senate filibuster rules have nothing to do with Trump or any other President.
40 Senators can block anything not exempted by the nuclear option.
The Safe Third Country rule is no more of a joke than the asylum scam being perpetrated by economic migrants.
There are safe areas in Mexico open to migrants, as are Costa Rica & Panama.
Less than 10% of asylum seekers from the Northern Triangle see the adjudication process through to completion & gain asylum.
It's a massive con job & diversion of resources.
I was surprised at the reaction to the news by the folks I was watching it with,
They see the asylum abuse for the scam that it is & view it as something making life harder for them here.
True, but what 40 Senators would have blocked a bi-partisan bill passed by the House and supported by Trump and McConnell???
You deflect as usual...Guatemala can't possibly be considered a 'safe' harbor for asylum seekers...why the heck to do you think they're fleeing?
What makes you think that bill would have passed the House ?
Because Pelosi and the rest of the leadership supported the 'deal' made. After agreeing, Trump balked, not them.
Pelosi wasn't in the majority back then. There had to be a majority of House (R)'s for the bill, before Ryan could bring it to a vote.
Congress was, & remains, too divided on immigration to pass any comp reform to send to Trump.
That's why it has to be addressed in small, crisis management bites. Like the asylum laws & DACA.
Ahhh, so you're saying that even if Trump supported the deal, Ryan supported the deal, the Dems in both houses were willing to go along, the GOP in the House would have voted it down?
That's right. Keep Tucker's pockets lined---reward him for blaming "someone else", and keep blaming anyone but the people you voted for to actually do what you elected them to do.
That's right. Keep Tucker's pockets lined---reward him for blaming "someone else", and keep blaming anyone but the people you voted for to actually do what you elected them to do.
The people I voted for didn't win.
I do live in a sanctuary state though.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:59 pm
by a fan
Ditto. Frustrating, isn't it?
Craft letters to your State's R Chair....plenty of R's in each and every State who vote on things, and can be Primaried if they don't fix immigration. And you can donate time/money to any of them.
All Tucker is going to do is "blame the Dems", because folks like you like that. So he gets paid, and meanwhile, nothing changes.
As I said, the message he's sending to the Republicans in Congress is, "don't do anything. We'll blame the Dems, not actually solve the problem at hand, and I'll help you get reelected".
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:59 pm
Ditto. Frustrating, isn't it?
Craft letters to your State's R Chair....plenty of R's in each and every State who vote on things, and can be Primaried if they don't fix immigration. And you can donate time/money to any of them.
All Tucker is going to do is "blame the Dems", because folks like you like that. So he gets paid, and meanwhile, nothing changes.
As I said, the message he's sending to the Republicans in Congress is, "don't do anything. We'll blame the Dems, not actually solve the problem at hand, and I'll help you get reelected".
As Tucker says:
"There doesn't seem to be a single Democrat in the race right now, who believes in enforcing immigration law".
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:16 pm
by a fan
Tucker's full of *hit. But keep watching him, I guess.
You're smarter than this. Your party has been selling the "the Dems are the devil and want open borders" cr*p for how many decades now?
Obama had total control of Congress for his first two years. It's how he passed Obamacare, remember?
So tell me: if you and FoxNation think the nefarious, mustache-twirling Dems want chaos and open borders, why didn't Obama either open the borders completely, or pass the whatever evil immigration bill they wanted while they could?
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:59 pm
Ditto. Frustrating, isn't it?
Craft letters to your State's R Chair....plenty of R's in each and every State who vote on things, and can be Primaried if they don't fix immigration. And you can donate time/money to any of them.
All Tucker is going to do is "blame the Dems", because folks like you like that. So he gets paid, and meanwhile, nothing changes.
As I said, the message he's sending to the Republicans in Congress is, "don't do anything. We'll blame the Dems, not actually solve the problem at hand, and I'll help you get reelected".
As Tucker says:
"There doesn't seem to be a single Democrat in the race right now, who believes in enforcing immigration law".
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:59 pm
Ditto. Frustrating, isn't it?
Craft letters to your State's R Chair....plenty of R's in each and every State who vote on things, and can be Primaried if they don't fix immigration. And you can donate time/money to any of them.
All Tucker is going to do is "blame the Dems", because folks like you like that. So he gets paid, and meanwhile, nothing changes.
As I said, the message he's sending to the Republicans in Congress is, "don't do anything. We'll blame the Dems, not actually solve the problem at hand, and I'll help you get reelected".
As Tucker says:
"There doesn't seem to be a single Democrat in the race right now, who believes in enforcing immigration law".
This conservative must have been crazy
His bluff should have been called.
Obama has served his 2 terms, and not in the race.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:48 pm
by Cooter
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:16 pm
Tucker's full of *hit. But keep watching him, I guess.
You're smarter than this. Your party has been selling the "the Dems are the devil and want open borders" cr*p for how many decades now?
Obama had total control of Congress for his first two years. It's how he passed Obamacare, remember?
So tell me: if you and FoxNation think the nefarious, mustache-twirling Dems want chaos and open borders, why didn't Obama either open the borders completely, or pass the whatever evil immigration bill they wanted while they could?
Think it through, and get back to me.
I'm an independent, so what party are you referring to?
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:59 pm
Ditto. Frustrating, isn't it?
Craft letters to your State's R Chair....plenty of R's in each and every State who vote on things, and can be Primaried if they don't fix immigration. And you can donate time/money to any of them.
All Tucker is going to do is "blame the Dems", because folks like you like that. So he gets paid, and meanwhile, nothing changes.
As I said, the message he's sending to the Republicans in Congress is, "don't do anything. We'll blame the Dems, not actually solve the problem at hand, and I'll help you get reelected".
As Tucker says:
"There doesn't seem to be a single Democrat in the race right now, who believes in enforcing immigration law".
This conservative must have been crazy
His bluff should have been called.
Obama has served his 2 terms, and not in the race.
Kuta,
The discussion was whether congress has done its job. Congress got into the habit of not working. Bad habits are hard to break.
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:16 pm
Tucker's full of *hit. But keep watching him, I guess.
You're smarter than this. Your party has been selling the "the Dems are the devil and want open borders" cr*p for how many decades now?
Obama had total control of Congress for his first two years. It's how he passed Obamacare, remember?
So tell me: if you and FoxNation think the nefarious, mustache-twirling Dems want chaos and open borders, why didn't Obama either open the borders completely, or pass the whatever evil immigration bill they wanted while they could?
Think it through, and get back to me.
I'm an independent, so what party are you referring to?
Riiiiiighht. That certainly why you're blaming Dems for not passing immigration reform, and quoting Tucker freaking Carlson on his nonsense that Dems don't want to follow immigration laws. Might as well add that AOC likes to kick puppies in her spare time while you're at it.
Noticed you didn't answer my question. Ya got nothing, eh?
Maybe you missed it, but my opinion is that both Congressional parties benefit from the status quo----and that's why they've done nothing to fix the problem for 50 years. And every year, the incentive to campaign on immigration....all while doing nothing about it....grows.
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:16 pm
Tucker's full of *hit. But keep watching him, I guess.
You're smarter than this. Your party has been selling the "the Dems are the devil and want open borders" cr*p for how many decades now?
Obama had total control of Congress for his first two years. It's how he passed Obamacare, remember?
So tell me: if you and FoxNation think the nefarious, mustache-twirling Dems want chaos and open borders, why didn't Obama either open the borders completely, or pass the whatever evil immigration bill they wanted while they could?
Think it through, and get back to me.
I'm an independent, so what party are you referring to?
Riiiiiighht. That certainly why you're blaming Dems for not passing immigration reform, and quoting Tucker freaking Carlson on his nonsense that Dems don't want to follow immigration laws. Might as well add that AOC likes to kick puppies in her spare time while you're at it.
Noticed you didn't answer my question. Ya got nothing, eh?
Maybe you missed it, but my opinion is both Congressional parties benefit from the status quo----and that's why they do nothing to fix the problem for 50 years. And every year, the incentive to campaign on immigration, all while doing nothing about it....grows.
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:16 pm
Tucker's full of *hit. But keep watching him, I guess.
You're smarter than this. Your party has been selling the "the Dems are the devil and want open borders" cr*p for how many decades now?
Obama had total control of Congress for his first two years. It's how he passed Obamacare, remember?
So tell me: if you and FoxNation think the nefarious, mustache-twirling Dems want chaos and open borders, why didn't Obama either open the borders completely, or pass the whatever evil immigration bill they wanted while they could?
Think it through, and get back to me.
I'm an independent, so what party are you referring to?
Riiiiiighht. That certainly why you're blaming Dems for not passing immigration reform, and quoting Tucker freaking Carlson on his nonsense that Dems don't want to follow immigration laws. Might as well add that AOC likes to kick puppies in her spare time while you're at it.
Noticed you didn't answer my question. Ya got nothing, eh?
Maybe you missed it, but my opinion is both Congressional parties benefit from the status quo----and that's why they do nothing to fix the problem for 50 years. And every year, the incentive to campaign on immigration, all while doing nothing about it....grows.
Kuta,
What he said....
Ha Ha, you got carried into a miscue by following the leader.
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:16 pm
Tucker's full of *hit. But keep watching him, I guess.
You're smarter than this. Your party has been selling the "the Dems are the devil and want open borders" cr*p for how many decades now?
Obama had total control of Congress for his first two years. It's how he passed Obamacare, remember?
So tell me: if you and FoxNation think the nefarious, mustache-twirling Dems want chaos and open borders, why didn't Obama either open the borders completely, or pass the whatever evil immigration bill they wanted while they could?
Think it through, and get back to me.
I'm an independent, so what party are you referring to?
Riiiiiighht. That certainly why you're blaming Dems for not passing immigration reform, and quoting Tucker freaking Carlson on his nonsense that Dems don't want to follow immigration laws. Might as well add that AOC likes to kick puppies in her spare time while you're at it.
Noticed you didn't answer my question. Ya got nothing, eh?
Maybe you missed it, but my opinion is both Congressional parties benefit from the status quo----and that's why they do nothing to fix the problem for 50 years. And every year, the incentive to campaign on immigration, all while doing nothing about it....grows.
Kuta,
What he said....
Ha Ha, you got carried into a miscue by following the leader.
Nope. These people would rather keep peasants distracted bickering with each other while they rake off the top. It’s effective.
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:16 pm
Tucker's full of *hit. But keep watching him, I guess.
You're smarter than this. Your party has been selling the "the Dems are the devil and want open borders" cr*p for how many decades now?
Obama had total control of Congress for his first two years. It's how he passed Obamacare, remember?
So tell me: if you and FoxNation think the nefarious, mustache-twirling Dems want chaos and open borders, why didn't Obama either open the borders completely, or pass the whatever evil immigration bill they wanted while they could?
Think it through, and get back to me.
I'm an independent, so what party are you referring to?
Riiiiiighht. That certainly why you're blaming Dems for not passing immigration reform, and quoting Tucker freaking Carlson on his nonsense that Dems don't want to follow immigration laws. Might as well add that AOC likes to kick puppies in her spare time while you're at it.
Noticed you didn't answer my question. Ya got nothing, eh?
Maybe you missed it, but my opinion is both Congressional parties benefit from the status quo----and that's why they do nothing to fix the problem for 50 years. And every year, the incentive to campaign on immigration, all while doing nothing about it....grows.
I am obviously anti - illegal immigrant.
It seems that Trump is willing to do something against illegal aliens, and defending the border, so you sound mostly like a crackpot to me.
.
Riiiiiighht. That certainly why you're blaming Dems for not passing immigration reform, and quoting Tucker freaking Carlson on his nonsense that Dems don't want to follow immigration laws. Might as well add that AOC likes to kick puppies in her spare time while you're at it.