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Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2024 5:50 pm
by ardilla secreta
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 5:15 pm My, shame is still a thing.

“ Robert Morris has resigned as senior pastor at Gateway Church in Southlake, Texas, three days after confessing to engaging in “sexual behavior” with a child in the 1980s.

The board of elders at Gateway made the announcement Tuesday in a statement to NBC News.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna157806
I don’t know what's the big deal. The matter with the 12 yr old “young lady” was dealt with during his two year restoration process administered by church elders many years ago. He’s the perfect Trump adviser.

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2024 7:47 pm
by PizzaSnake
ardilla secreta wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 5:50 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 5:15 pm My, shame is still a thing.

“ Robert Morris has resigned as senior pastor at Gateway Church in Southlake, Texas, three days after confessing to engaging in “sexual behavior” with a child in the 1980s.

The board of elders at Gateway made the announcement Tuesday in a statement to NBC News.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna157806
I don’t know what's the big deal. The matter with the 12 yr old “young lady” was dealt with during his two year restoration process administered by church elders many years ago. He’s the perfect Trump adviser.
Absolution of the fittest?

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2024 8:49 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
ardilla secreta wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 5:37 pm
Is he a descendant of Reverend Ike?
Probably!

oh great eagle

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:05 am
by runrussellrun
heading towards a great hike yesterday , rattlesnake Jesus became YET another spirit animal.....in the form of a great Eagle, the symbol of US "freedom".

Feasting on fresh carion, the BALD eagle, didn't see suck coming, and flew away only when suck stepped out of the car, only feet away.

Jesus was telling suck something.

We pray.......but, don't believe when those prayers are answered ?

what IS your spirit animal ?

for tax purposes..........our fascits US government won't allow suck to start "spirit animal" charities and buy up tons of rolling landscape....maybe with a summer "camp", to you know, groom the kiddies......

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:06 am
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2024 2:39 pm
by PizzaSnake
Solid family values.

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2024 2:51 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 2:39 pm
Solid family values.
Pious

Re: oh great eagle

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:10 pm
by PizzaSnake
runrussellrun wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:05 am heading towards a great hike yesterday , rattlesnake Jesus became YET another spirit animal.....in the form of a great Eagle, the symbol of US "freedom".

Feasting on fresh carion, the BALD eagle, didn't see suck coming, and flew away only when suck stepped out of the car, only feet away.

Jesus was telling suck something.

We pray.......but, don't believe when those prayers are answered ?

what IS your spirit animal ?

for tax purposes..........our fascits US government won't allow suck to start "spirit animal" charities and buy up tons of rolling landscape....maybe with a summer "camp", to you know, groom the kiddies......
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Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:18 am
by Seacoaster(1)
A little American Christian jihad in the public schools:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... -law-suit/

"A coalition of groups filed a lawsuit Monday against the state of Louisiana’s new requirement to post the Ten Commandments in every school classroom, claiming parents’ rights are violated by the new law.

“Permanently posting the Ten Commandments in every Louisiana public-school classroom — rendering them unavoidable — unconstitutionally pressures students into religious observance, veneration, and adoption of the state’s favored religious scripture,” says the suit, which charges that there is no long-standing tradition of hanging the commandments in classrooms and that courts have already ruled against the practice.

The suit was filed in U.S. District Court by the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, and the American Civil Liberties Union’s national and state offices. The plaintiffs include nine Louisiana families of different faiths, among them four members of the clergy.

At an afternoon news conference, some of the rights groups said the case has national import.

“We are at an inflection point in Louisiana and also in the United States. This is a reckoning that has been in the making since the civil rights movement. I suggest we’re in the civil rights movement of our generation. This is a choice we’ll make and it’s about whether we move towards light, hope and freedom or if we choose to live in darkness and to promote despair,” said Alanah Odoms, executive director of the state’s ACLU. She said the law, called HB71, “is the canary in the coal mine.”

The groups, which work to protect church-state separation, had said last week they would challenge the law, which was signed Wednesday by Gov. Jeff Landry (R) and is the first of its kind in the country since 1980, when the Supreme Court ruled a similar Kentucky law unconstitutional.

State Attorney General Liz Murrill said Monday she hadn’t seen the suit yet, but pointed to a pending U.S. Supreme Court case in which Louisiana is accusing the Biden administration of censoring conservative views, and a January conviction of six abortion opponents who blockaded a Tennessee abortion clinic. In the first case, the administration said it only made requests to remove misinformation.

“It seems the ACLU only selectively cares about the First Amendment — it doesn’t care when the Biden administration censors speech or arrests pro-life protesters, but apparently it will fight to prevent posters that discuss our own legal history,” she said.

Last week, appearing on the conservative cable channel Newsmax, Murrill noted that the law calls for the scripture to be posted with “context” describing the Ten Commandments as a “prominent part of American public education for almost three centuries.” She said the effort to add “context is our legislature trying to thread the needle. ... This has yet to be played out, and I certainly plan to give legal guidance to our school system.”

Heather Weaver, ACLU staff attorney for Freedom of Religion and Belief, said there is no context that could justify a permanent, prominent version of the Ten Commandments that comes from a specific Protestant text, as the legislation requires.

“It’s especially egregious because they’re posting it in every classroom, clearly trying to draw students’ attention to the displays in a way that’s extremely problematic,” she said at the Monday afternoon conference. “There is no reason for that, it wouldn’t be tied to any academic lesson.”

The new law gives schools until Jan. 1 to display the Ten Commandments on “a poster or framed document that is at least eleven inches by fourteen inches” in every classroom. The commandments have to be the display’s “central focus” and be “printed in a large, easily readable font,” the law says.

The Rev. Jeff Sims, a Presbyterian pastor, father of three Louisiana public school students and plaintiff, said the law is a “gross intrusion” of government into private faith.

“I want my children to understand scripture in the context of our faith, which honors God’s diversity and preaches all people are equal. This law interferes with my religious freedom — it tramples on it,” he said. “We have a separation of church and state in this country to prevent just this kind of government overreach. As a pastor and father I can’t sit by silent while our political representatives usurp God’s authority for themselves.”

Rights groups’ attorneys Monday said they felt confident that if the case got to the U.S. Supreme Court the law would lose.

“Looking at many years of [Supreme Court rulings] there is extreme concern about coercive practices on children,” said Patrick Elliott, legal director at the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

Since the law was passed, church-state law experts have noted that the legal metric used in the 1980 case was in 2022 set aside by the current conservative court. The so-called Lemon test was in place for more than 50 years to decide whether a law violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, asking whether the government was being “excessively” entangled with religion, or whether a particular law harmed or boosted religion — rather than staying neutral.

The court in 2022 suggested it will look at history, tradition and the text of the Constitution.

“Now we are in somewhat uncharted territory,” Michael Helfand, a professor focused on religion and ethics at Pepperdine University’s law school, said last week of how the Louisiana law might fare."

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:33 am
by DMac
I would vote no, you can not hang those in every classroom.
No, no, no, and no again. As an aside, why are we required
(I think we are) to put our left hand on the Bible and raise our
right hand when swearing to tell the truth in courtrooms
(albeit courtrooms are full of liars)? What if you're not a God
fearing person, that hand on the Bible mean anything to you,
gonna make you speak nothing but the truth?
Further, why can't we put our right hand on the Bible and raise our
left hand? This is very lefty discriminatory.

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:48 am
by OuttaNowhereWregget
“Permanently posting the Ten Commandments in every Louisiana public-school classroom — rendering them unavoidable — unconstitutionally pressures students into religious observance, veneration, and adoption of the state’s favored religious scripture,” says the suit, which charges that there is no long-standing tradition of hanging the commandments in classrooms and that courts have already ruled against the practice.

The suit was filed in U.S. District Court by the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, and the American Civil Liberties Union’s national and state offices. The plaintiffs include nine Louisiana families of different faiths, among them four members of the clergy."


The mind-twisting rationale here. So, it's okay for children to be pressured into and taught hateful critical race theory and sexual issues in grade school, but for goodness sake, don't display the 10 Commandments:

Don't take (steal) what doesn't belong to you.
Don't lie about someone else.
Don't kill anyone.
Treat your father and mother with honor/respect.
Don't cheat on your spouse after you're married.
Take one day out of the week to rest.
Don't use God's name to curse.
Don't have any other gods before God Almighty--the Creator of all things and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Don't make idols.
Don't be consumed with desire for what belongs to someone else.

Yes--I can see how those rules would affect children, and our society at large, in a negative way.

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:58 am
by Kismet
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:48 am “Permanently posting the Ten Commandments in every Louisiana public-school classroom — rendering them unavoidable — unconstitutionally pressures students into religious observance, veneration, and adoption of the state’s favored religious scripture,” says the suit, which charges that there is no long-standing tradition of hanging the commandments in classrooms and that courts have already ruled against the practice.

The suit was filed in U.S. District Court by the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, and the American Civil Liberties Union’s national and state offices. The plaintiffs include nine Louisiana families of different faiths, among them four members of the clergy."


The mind-twisting rationale here. So, it's okay for children to be pressured into and taught hateful critical race theory and sexual issues in grade school, but for goodness sake, don't display the 10 Commandments:

Don't take (steal) what doesn't belong to you.
Don't lie about someone else.
Don't kill anyone.
Treat your father and mother with honor/respect.
Don't cheat on your spouse after you're married.
Take one day out of the week to rest.
Don't use God's name to curse.
Don't have any other gods before God Almighty--the Creator of all things and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Don't make idols.
Don't be consumed with desire for what belongs to someone else.

Yes--I can see how those rules would affect children, and our society at large, in a negative way.
Would be btter off posting Fulgham's well known Kindergarten lesson -

“These are the things I learned (in Kindergarten):

1. Share everything.
2. Play fair.
3. Don't hit people.
4. Put things back where you found them.
5. CLEAN UP YOUR OWN MESS.
6. Don't take things that aren't yours.
7. Say you're SORRY when you HURT somebody.
8. Wash your hands before you eat.
9. Flush.
10. Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
11. Live a balanced life - learn some and drink some and draw some and paint some and sing and dance and play and work everyday some.
12. Take a nap every afternoon.
13. When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and stick together.
14. Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: The roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that.
15. Goldfish and hamster and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.
16. And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first word you learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK.”

― Robert Fulghum, All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:43 am
by Seacoaster(1)
DMac wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:33 am I would vote no, you can not hang those in every classroom.
No, no, no, and no again. As an aside, why are we required
(I think we are) to put our left hand on the Bible and raise our
right hand when swearing to tell the truth in courtrooms
(albeit courtrooms are full of liars)? What if you're not a God
fearing person, that hand on the Bible mean anything to you,
gonna make you speak nothing but the truth?
Further, why can't we put our right hand on the Bible and raise our
left hand? This is very lefty discriminatory.
Not anymore. The standard witness oath doesn't include, "so help me God," or feature the witness's hand on (or the presence of a) bible.

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:23 am
by NattyBohChamps04
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:48 am The mind-twisting rationale here. So, it's okay for children to be pressured into and taught hateful critical race theory and sexual issues in grade school, but for goodness sake, don't display the 10 Commandments:
Yep, we should keep religion separate from government and government run entities. It's part of the Constitution.

Puberty can start at age 8-9 and even earlier. That's 3rd and 4th grade. Ya know, grade school. I hope to God we're teaching our kids about their biology before they start getting pregnant or doing stuff to other kids who don't want or know what is going on. We started sex ed in 4th grade. It's taught in an age-appropriate manner.

What hateful critical race theory stuff? That a lot of black people were slaves for a long time and that there was (and still is) institutional racism in various levels of government? Sometimes intentional, but oftentimes unintentional?

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:26 am
by DMac
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:43 am
DMac wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:33 am I would vote no, you can not hang those in every classroom.
No, no, no, and no again. As an aside, why are we required
(I think we are) to put our left hand on the Bible and raise our
right hand when swearing to tell the truth in courtrooms
(albeit courtrooms are full of liars)? What if you're not a God
fearing person, that hand on the Bible mean anything to you,
gonna make you speak nothing but the truth?
Further, why can't we put our right hand on the Bible and raise our
left hand? This is very lefty discriminatory.
Not anymore. The standard witness oath doesn't include, "so help me God," or feature the witness's hand on (or the presence of a) bible.
Nice, I like it. In the highly unlikely event that I have to raise a hand to swear to tell the truth it's going to be my left though.
Who/what says it has to be the right?

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:33 am
by DMac
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:48 am “Permanently posting the Ten Commandments in every Louisiana public-school classroom — rendering them unavoidable — unconstitutionally pressures students into religious observance, veneration, and adoption of the state’s favored religious scripture,” says the suit, which charges that there is no long-standing tradition of hanging the commandments in classrooms and that courts have already ruled against the practice.

The suit was filed in U.S. District Court by the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, and the American Civil Liberties Union’s national and state offices. The plaintiffs include nine Louisiana families of different faiths, among them four members of the clergy."


The mind-twisting rationale here. So, it's okay for children to be pressured into and taught hateful critical race theory and sexual issues in grade school, but for goodness sake, don't display the 10 Commandments:

Don't take (steal) what doesn't belong to you.
Don't lie about someone else.
Don't kill anyone.
Treat your father and mother with honor/respect.
Don't cheat on your spouse after you're married.
Take one day out of the week to rest.
Don't use God's name to curse.
Don't have any other gods before God Almighty--the Creator of all things and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Don't make idols.
Don't be consumed with desire for what belongs to someone else.

Yes--I can see how those rules would affect children, and our society at large, in a negative way.
These are good lessons for the most part but certainly not worded as in the Ten Commandments,
there's no attempt to instill the fear of God in you (well, maybe 'cept for one).

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:45 am
by OuttaNowhereWregget
DMac wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:33 am
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:48 am “Permanently posting the Ten Commandments in every Louisiana public-school classroom — rendering them unavoidable — unconstitutionally pressures students into religious observance, veneration, and adoption of the state’s favored religious scripture,” says the suit, which charges that there is no long-standing tradition of hanging the commandments in classrooms and that courts have already ruled against the practice.

The suit was filed in U.S. District Court by the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, and the American Civil Liberties Union’s national and state offices. The plaintiffs include nine Louisiana families of different faiths, among them four members of the clergy."


The mind-twisting rationale here. So, it's okay for children to be pressured into and taught hateful critical race theory and sexual issues in grade school, but for goodness sake, don't display the 10 Commandments:

Don't take (steal) what doesn't belong to you.
Don't lie about someone else.
Don't kill anyone.
Treat your father and mother with honor/respect.
Don't cheat on your spouse after you're married.
Take one day out of the week to rest.
Don't use God's name to curse.
Don't have any other gods before God Almighty--the Creator of all things and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Don't make idols.
Don't be consumed with desire for what belongs to someone else.

Yes--I can see how those rules would affect children, and our society at large, in a negative way.
These are good lessons for the most part but certainly not worded as in the Ten Commandments,
there's no attempt to instill the fear of God in you (well, maybe 'cept for one).
Thanks, D. For the most part, I tried to convey the gist of each commandment by summing up in modern English. I don't know which translation of the original Hebrew is posted currently in classrooms down Loozy-ana way. But you're right--I changed the wording a bit.

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:29 pm
by SCLaxAttack
DMac wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:33 am
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:48 am “Permanently posting the Ten Commandments in every Louisiana public-school classroom — rendering them unavoidable — unconstitutionally pressures students into religious observance, veneration, and adoption of the state’s favored religious scripture,” says the suit, which charges that there is no long-standing tradition of hanging the commandments in classrooms and that courts have already ruled against the practice.

The suit was filed in U.S. District Court by the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, and the American Civil Liberties Union’s national and state offices. The plaintiffs include nine Louisiana families of different faiths, among them four members of the clergy."


The mind-twisting rationale here. So, it's okay for children to be pressured into and taught hateful critical race theory and sexual issues in grade school, but for goodness sake, don't display the 10 Commandments:

Don't take (steal) what doesn't belong to you.
Don't lie about someone else.
Don't kill anyone.
Treat your father and mother with honor/respect.
Don't cheat on your spouse after you're married.
Take one day out of the week to rest. I'm a fan of Saturdays and Sundays off.
Don't use God's name to curse. Nope. Who is the government to say God exists?
Don't have any other gods before God Almighty--the Creator of all things and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.Nope. I'm not allowed to worship multiple, or no, Gods? And I've got to acknowledge Jesus was God?
Don't make idols. Can the kids play with Barbies and GI Joes?
Don't be consumed with desire for what belongs to someone else. Part is already covered in stealing, but BZZZZT! Where would capitalism exist without wanting to keep up with the Joneses?

Yes--I can see how those rules would affect children, and our society at large, in a negative way.
These are good lessons for the most part but certainly not worded as in the Ten Commandments,
there's no attempt to instill the fear of God in you (well, maybe 'cept for one).
"For the most part"? As a Christian I'm in agreement with all ten, but I'm only in agreement as an American with the first five and maybe part of the sixth. The first five are covered in American law and justified and, as written above would have no problem being posted in any classroom - with no law required. The rest? Nuh uh. See comments embedded in red.

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:31 pm
by jhu72
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:23 am
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:48 am The mind-twisting rationale here. So, it's okay for children to be pressured into and taught hateful critical race theory and sexual issues in grade school, but for goodness sake, don't display the 10 Commandments:
Yep, we should keep religion separate from government and government run entities. It's part of the Constitution.

Puberty can start at age 8-9 and even earlier. That's 3rd and 4th grade. Ya know, grade school. I hope to God we're teaching our kids about their biology before they start getting pregnant or doing stuff to other kids who don't want or know what is going on. We started sex ed in 4th grade. It's taught in an age-appropriate manner.

What hateful critical race theory stuff? That a lot of black people were slaves for a long time and that there was (and still is) institutional racism in various levels of government? Sometimes intentional, but oftentimes unintentional?
... Petey is back! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Religion in America

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:13 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
jhu72 wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:31 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:23 am
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:48 am The mind-twisting rationale here. So, it's okay for children to be pressured into and taught hateful critical race theory and sexual issues in grade school, but for goodness sake, don't display the 10 Commandments:
Yep, we should keep religion separate from government and government run entities. It's part of the Constitution.

Puberty can start at age 8-9 and even earlier. That's 3rd and 4th grade. Ya know, grade school. I hope to God we're teaching our kids about their biology before they start getting pregnant or doing stuff to other kids who don't want or know what is going on. We started sex ed in 4th grade. It's taught in an age-appropriate manner.

What hateful critical race theory stuff? That a lot of black people were slaves for a long time and that there was (and still is) institutional racism in various levels of government? Sometimes intentional, but oftentimes unintentional?
... Petey is back! :lol: :lol: :lol:
This stuff: