Same Party, Different House
https://fanlax.com/forum/
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:24 am
This very sad episode is rock bottom for the republican party. IMO getting rid of trump should be a glorious and happy time for all Republicans. They still want to cling on to trump? Why???
You joke, but that's actually what Ted Cruz is advocating for.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:24 amJunk mail voting is going to ruin the republic! Bring back the literacy test and the poll tax!
MAGA!
SO FUNNY! Who from the old LaxPower days remembers what all our republican friends were saying when George W. (Shrub) Bush left office amid a YUGE recession that was being handed off to his successor?youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:49 amIt doesn't make logical sense b/c Trump is really a democrat with an (r) next to his name. So arguing pro- R party is counter intuitive because Trump has that (r) tag.
Trump capitalized at an opportunistic time, think third party. A new aged revolt, fed up with status quo, dead beat, talk out of the side of their neck entrenched politicians. Everyone says your vote counts, and yet, we get the same thing over and over and over. Trump was on to something, but he fudged it up b/c he couldn't shut up. If Trump had cleaned up his decorum early on, acted presidential, he would have won over many more. Instead, he doubled down...and to be frank, I believe his base is shrinking b/c of it.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:57 am In don’t think given all the democrats have discussed with respect to rule of law, transparency and democracy of late that he fits in there. He’s a parasite on all of us. His behavior of spending and wealth transfers and retribution I’ve seen in various portions of the Democratic Party for sure but he won the republican primary so if you’re rte actually correct that would mean everyone who ever voted for him is a complete and absolute moron And/or a deceptive, fraudulent, fake Republican.
So you’re saying OS, PB, 6ft, etc are closet democrats? What else are in those closets I wonder?
I don’t think that cohort who voted for him would like the latter though it may very well be true. Seems to me that’s the case.
Life was good back then. MAGAggait wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:36 amYou joke, but that's actually what Ted Cruz is advocating for.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:24 amJunk mail voting is going to ruin the republic! Bring back the literacy test and the poll tax!
MAGA!
Ted (who, per Trump, isn't an American and whose Dad killed JFK) is advocating that we "follow that precedent" -- appoint an electoral commission as was done to resolve the 1876 election between Rutherford Hayes and Samuel Tilden.
That commission struck the dirty deal that handed the election to Hayes. The payoff was Hayes' commitment to withdraw federal troops from the South. Which basically repealed the 14/15th Amendments and legalized Jim Crow.
Now you are talking, Teddy. Let's definitely do that again!!
Yeah that last part was in a discourse with myself. But he also hypocritically has argued at the same time for more intervention so I find his comments at a minimum incongruous on that subject so much that it gives the appearance to even middle of the road people (I’ve shat on democratic behavior and principles plenty here too just have a sense of decency, respect for our country and am honest in my selfishness) of weak form heuristics out of antipathy towards some other abstract concept of a side.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:42 amTrump capitalized at an opportunistic time, think third party. A new aged revolt, fed up with status quo, dead beat, talk out of the side of their neck entrenched politicians. Everyone says your vote counts, and yet, we get the same thing over and over and over. Trump was on to something, but he fudged it up b/c he couldn't shut up. If Trump had cleaned up his decorum early on, acted presidential, he would have won over many more. Instead, he doubled down...and to be frank, I believe his base is shrinking b/c of it.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:57 am In don’t think given all the democrats have discussed with respect to rule of law, transparency and democracy of late that he fits in there. He’s a parasite on all of us. His behavior of spending and wealth transfers and retribution I’ve seen in various portions of the Democratic Party for sure but he won the republican primary so if you’re rte actually correct that would mean everyone who ever voted for him is a complete and absolute moron And/or a deceptive, fraudulent, fake Republican.
So you’re saying OS, PB, 6ft, etc are closet democrats? What else are in those closets I wonder?
I don’t think that cohort who voted for him would like the latter though it may very well be true. Seems to me that’s the case.
Back to your question, No, I do not think they are closet democrats, nor am I. There is still the division between the parties on issues, here on fan lax, we tend to shoot the messenger, because we are more worried about getting our two cents and a dig in. If you noticed, those of us that were arguing in the (r) defense (not so much for Trump), were focused on primarily principled issues abroad that have impacted us locally and financially for years/decades.....all things China, The UN, M.E., SK, Climate accord, Southern border. The goal was to shore up our footings, a long overdue physical, we have spread ourselves a bit too thin after a looong war. Notice OS's post recently about agreeing with Jim Webb and the ME?
Additionally, does Trump truly represent “everyone’s vote counts” in light of the recorded call that came out yest? If not then everyone, and I mean everyone who needed to feel their vote counted needs to immediately get off this train or would be very much hypocritical.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:42 amTrump capitalized at an opportunistic time, think third party. A new aged revolt, fed up with status quo, dead beat, talk out of the side of their neck entrenched politicians. Everyone says your vote counts, and yet, we get the same thing over and over and over. Trump was on to something, but he fudged it up b/c he couldn't shut up. If Trump had cleaned up his decorum early on, acted presidential, he would have won over many more. Instead, he doubled down...and to be frank, I believe his base is shrinking b/c of it.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:57 am In don’t think given all the democrats have discussed with respect to rule of law, transparency and democracy of late that he fits in there. He’s a parasite on all of us. His behavior of spending and wealth transfers and retribution I’ve seen in various portions of the Democratic Party for sure but he won the republican primary so if you’re rte actually correct that would mean everyone who ever voted for him is a complete and absolute moron And/or a deceptive, fraudulent, fake Republican.
So you’re saying OS, PB, 6ft, etc are closet democrats? What else are in those closets I wonder?
I don’t think that cohort who voted for him would like the latter though it may very well be true. Seems to me that’s the case.
Back to your question, No, I do not think they are closet democrats, nor am I. There is still the division between the parties on issues, here on fan lax, we tend to shoot the messenger, because we are more worried about getting our two cents and a dig in. If you noticed, those of us that were arguing in the (r) defense (not so much for Trump), were focused on primarily principled issues abroad that have impacted us locally and financially for years/decades.....all things China, The UN, M.E., SK, Climate accord, Southern border. The goal was to shore up our footings, a long overdue physical, we have spread ourselves a bit too thin after a looong war. Notice OS's post recently about agreeing with Jim Webb and the ME?
Can we turn it down a notch?
This is utter BS, and you know it. Republicans don't get to make this claim anymore.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:42 am Trump capitalized at an opportunistic time, think third party. A new aged revolt, fed up with status quo, dead beat, talk out of the side of their neck entrenched politicians.
Thanks for proving my point...that Trump is indeed a democrat.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:21 pmThis is utter BS, and you know it. Republicans don't get to make this claim anymore.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:42 am Trump capitalized at an opportunistic time, think third party. A new aged revolt, fed up with status quo, dead beat, talk out of the side of their neck entrenched politicians.
Because what happened when Trump took office? Everything----corruption, reckless spending, saying one thing and doing another-----got WORSE.
FAR FAR WORSE. And your Party supported all of it to a mind numbingly ridiculous extent.
So you don't get to hide behind this anymore. Hate. Trump spewed hate at the libs. That's what did it. And that's why his actual policies are immaterial to Republican voters. So long as he spews hate? TrumpNation eats it up, and asks for more.
It's why Republicans don't have a Federal platform.....when your idea of governance is "stick it to he libs", you don't need an actual policy for anything whatsoever.
You own this outcome, and you don't get to walk away from it. Trump is on you, my man.
And just wait until we see what he did in individual Federal Departments in the coming years as the books roll out.
Fan -- that's fine advice. Which I try to follow.Just don't direct the attack at the poster him/herself.
The entire Republican Voting base is banking on the fact that Democrats won't hit back.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:11 amJust remarkableMitchell and Hilbert backed Trump and Meadows in their repeated demand for information about voters, including their voter IDs and registrations. This is voter data to which, by law, they cannot have access. (When Germany answered that the state is prohibited from sharing that information, Trump retorted: “Well, you have to.”)
University of Georgia Law Professor Anthony Michael Kreis told Politico reporters Allie Bice, Kyle Cheney, Anita Kumar, and Zach Montellaro that it is against the law in Georgia for anyone to “solicit” or “request” election fraud. “There’s just no way that… he has not violated this law,” Kreis said. Michael R. Bromwich, former inspector general of the Department of Justice, tweeted that “unless there are portions of the tape that somehow negate criminal intent,” Trump’s “best defense would be insanity.”
Yep.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:06 pmThe entire Republican Voting base is banking on the fact that Democrats won't hit back.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:11 amJust remarkableMitchell and Hilbert backed Trump and Meadows in their repeated demand for information about voters, including their voter IDs and registrations. This is voter data to which, by law, they cannot have access. (When Germany answered that the state is prohibited from sharing that information, Trump retorted: “Well, you have to.”)
University of Georgia Law Professor Anthony Michael Kreis told Politico reporters Allie Bice, Kyle Cheney, Anita Kumar, and Zach Montellaro that it is against the law in Georgia for anyone to “solicit” or “request” election fraud. “There’s just no way that… he has not violated this law,” Kreis said. Michael R. Bromwich, former inspector general of the Department of Justice, tweeted that “unless there are portions of the tape that somehow negate criminal intent,” Trump’s “best defense would be insanity.”
At this point? I hope NYState and GA and the rest go after Trump and his family nonstop until they get convictions. Go after the German Banks. Go after Trump in every way imaginable.
Show the next Trump what will happen. And the next Trump is warming up in the bullpen-----because Republican America doesn't just want another Trump....they want him the next one to be worse.
Look at how the Congressional Dems are behaving. You're a fool if you think the TrumpEra is over....
This is difficult. I’ve always been for enforcing laws on the books Vs layering on new redundant tangential ones and in that would suggest he should be jammed up (both literally and if he were to get equal treatment in jail then metaphorically too). Conversely this is akin to the neverending cycle of “violence” (to steal a term from third world countries which our politicians have turned us into) that only end when one group behaves better. Delay machine was a function of Clinton who was a function of Manafort and Stone types and the Delay machine led to an easy Obama win which led to this Teabaggers and this disaster which has led to some vitriol from the youngins like AOC and Omar who know little of the technical aspects of how things work in the world and will be looking for heads ala the French Revolution and The Guillotine which hasn’t exactly worked out for the French over time in hindsight.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:20 pmYep.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:06 pmThe entire Republican Voting base is banking on the fact that Democrats won't hit back.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:11 amJust remarkableMitchell and Hilbert backed Trump and Meadows in their repeated demand for information about voters, including their voter IDs and registrations. This is voter data to which, by law, they cannot have access. (When Germany answered that the state is prohibited from sharing that information, Trump retorted: “Well, you have to.”)
University of Georgia Law Professor Anthony Michael Kreis told Politico reporters Allie Bice, Kyle Cheney, Anita Kumar, and Zach Montellaro that it is against the law in Georgia for anyone to “solicit” or “request” election fraud. “There’s just no way that… he has not violated this law,” Kreis said. Michael R. Bromwich, former inspector general of the Department of Justice, tweeted that “unless there are portions of the tape that somehow negate criminal intent,” Trump’s “best defense would be insanity.”
At this point? I hope NYState and GA and the rest go after Trump and his family nonstop until they get convictions. Go after the German Banks. Go after Trump in every way imaginable.
Show the next Trump what will happen. And the next Trump is warming up in the bullpen-----because Republican America doesn't just want another Trump....they want him the next one to be worse.
Look at how the Congressional Dems are behaving. You're a fool if you think the TrumpEra is over....
