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kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:26 am It's not a hoax. But as you put it: the deaths have "maxed out at a fraction of our reality."
Now we know what the real threat is. It's real. Just like having a car accident, being in an airplane crash, or getting paralyzed/killed by a shot in lacrosse.
It's a possibility in life. There's risk in life for everything. It's why you wear a seatbelt commuting, why the airlines give the safety speech before each flight, and why there's an ambulance parked at every h/s lax game.
The threat is known, so prepare, wear your masks, and let's move on.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:27 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:26 am It's not a hoax. But as you put it: the deaths have "maxed out at a fraction of our reality."
Now we know what the real threat is. It's real. Just like having a car accident, being in an airplane crash, or getting paralyzed/killed by a shot in lacrosse.
It's a possibility in life. There's risk in life for everything. It's why you wear a seatbelt commuting, why the airlines give the safety speech before each flight, and why there's an ambulance parked at every h/s lax game.
The threat is known, so prepare, wear your masks, and let's move on.

I agree with "wear your masks"...

Unfortunately, a pandemic is not akin to the other risks you cite.

With the exception of a car crash in which you are the cause, killing those also in the crash, the other types of risks and safety measures you take, don't increase the risks to others. But even in car crashes, the deaths are limited.

Here we have a geometric progression potential from each actor who fails to protect others as well as themselves.

Just to be clear, we wish the deaths had maxed out way, way lower.

But they didn't.

The spread continued to multiply as too many individual actors put not only themselves at risk, but a geometric progression beyond themselves.

And we can have no doubt that our current POTUS had an impact upon those decisions, and continues to have an impact on those decisions.

We also can be pretty darn sure that had we followed the CDC recommendations, across all states and jurisdictions, thoroughly, we would have dramatically changed the trajectory of the pandemic in the US.

And this would have put us in a position to continue to constrict progression by common sense mask wearing, no large gatherings, and comprehensive test, trace, and isolate. The latter would only be effective if we either got the incidence low or we had massively more testing and tracing capacity.

And this would have allowed us to do Most activities, both work and some play, while letting the scientists and doctors continue to progress on therapies and a vaccine.

Instead we're in this horrible conundrum where we are trying to do what would have been far more universally possible at low incidence levels, yet with far worse consequences than if we'd done what was necessary to drive incidence all the way down ala what so many other nations accomplished.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:34 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:27 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:26 am It's not a hoax. But as you put it: the deaths have "maxed out at a fraction of our reality."
Now we know what the real threat is. It's real. Just like having a car accident, being in an airplane crash, or getting paralyzed/killed by a shot in lacrosse.
It's a possibility in life. There's risk in life for everything. It's why you wear a seatbelt commuting, why the airlines give the safety speech before each flight, and why there's an ambulance parked at every h/s lax game.
The threat is known, so prepare, wear your masks, and let's move on.

I agree with "wear your masks"...

Unfortunately, a pandemic is not akin to the other risks you cite.

With the exception of a car crash in which you are the cause, killing those also in the crash, the other types of risks and safety measures you take, don't increase the risks to others. But even in car crashes, the deaths are limited.

Here we have a geometric progression potential from each actor who fails to protect others as well as themselves.

Just to be clear, we wish the deaths had maxed out way, way lower.

But they didn't.

The spread continued to multiply as too many individual actors put not only themselves at risk, but a geometric progression beyond themselves.

And we can have no doubt that our current POTUS had an impact upon those decisions, and continues to have an impact on those decisions.

We also can be pretty darn sure that had we followed the CDC recommendations, across all states and jurisdictions, thoroughly, we would have dramatically changed the trajectory of the pandemic in the US.

And this would have put us in a position to continue to constrict progression by common sense mask wearing, no large gatherings, and comprehensive test, trace, and isolate. The latter would only be effective if we either got the incidence low or we had massively more testing and tracing capacity.

And this would have allowed us to do Most activities, both work and some play, while letting the scientists and doctors continue to progress on therapies and a vaccine.

Instead we're in this horrible conundrum where we are trying to do what would have been far more universally possible at low incidence levels, yet with far worse consequences than if we'd done what was necessary to drive incidence all the way down ala what so many other nations accomplished.

I understand all that. My disagreement is at the level of which covid is still a risk. Fortunatey, In Md, our numbers have remained very low. Throughout. Fortunately, in my entire circle of friends and Acquaintances, I know absolutely no one who has died from it and only one person who had a mild case. Gladly, we are getting back to normal. Now each person needs to choose how they mitigate the risk. How they act, on their own.

It’s real, it’s not a hoax, but it’s also not a reason to stop most peoples normal way of life now. Wear a mask, wash your hands. Socially distance if you can. Otherwise, carry on.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:51 pm Maryland just came off the NYS quarantine list. I am sure things are slowly opening up to some level..... won't be pre-Covid level for some time. Gyms in NY and NJ just re-opened with capacity limitations. Thing are not like they were in Late March and April and into May. If it were me, I would have kept everything shut down until July 1. Everywhere. We would be further along than were we are. We are going to limp along.

My disagreement is at the level of which covid is still a risk.

Since the pandemic began, I have spoken with more than 100 experts in a variety of fields. I’ve learned that almost everything that went wrong with America’s response to the pandemic was predictable and preventable. A sluggish response by a government denuded of expertise allowed the coronavirus to gain a foothold. Chronic underfunding of public health neutered the nation’s ability to prevent the pathogen’s spread. A bloated, inefficient health-care system left hospitals ill-prepared for the ensuing wave of sickness. Racist policies that have endured since the days of colonization and slavery left Indigenous and Black Americans especially vulnerable to COVID‑19. The decades-long process of shredding the nation’s social safety net forced millions of essential workers in low-paying jobs to risk their life for their livelihood. The same social-media platforms that sowed partisanship and misinformation during the 2014 Ebola outbreak in Africa and the 2016 U.S. election became vectors for conspiracy theories during the 2020 pandemic.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:41 pm i continue to be challenged to insert "imo" on here for large swaths of declarative statements.

hope i can keep it going.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:41 pm i continue to be challenged to insert "imo" on here for large swaths of declarative statements.

hope i can keep it going.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:06 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:41 pm i continue to be challenged to insert "imo" on here for large swaths of declarative statements.

hope i can keep it going.

If referencing the above, how about “infectious disease experts have concluded that changes in habitat is a contributing factor to the spread of emerging viruses”. Smallpox was one example cited. That’s not an opinion.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:15 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:06 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:41 pm i continue to be challenged to insert "imo" on here for large swaths of declarative statements.

hope i can keep it going.

If referencing the above, how about “infectious disease experts have concluded that changes in habitat is a contributing factor to the spread of emerging viruses”. Smallpox was one example cited. That’s not an opinion.

if it's not an opinion, you have no obligation to wear the shoe! wasn't going by order of previous posts, was referencing our pleasant little community here in general... today a most recent example.

no doubt some of us (all of us?) think our opinions are facts... x y and z heard from so and so. and note i did say "we".

feel free to put an "imo" in front of much of what i say.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:17 pm 186,000+ dead Americans thanks to tRUMP virus.

Donny Dunce's "success" remains unmatchable.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:21 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:17 pm 186,000+ dead Americans thanks to tRUMP virus.

Donny Dunce's "success" remains unmatchable.

Worldmeter has us at 190,000+. We will be getting off the interstate sometime this month.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:31 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:21 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:17 pm 186,000+ dead Americans thanks to tRUMP virus.

Donny Dunce's "success" remains unmatchable.

Worldmeter has us at 190,000+. We will be getting off the interstate sometime this month.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn that the number is higher than that at the present moment. This knowing how Dumpster has downplayed the death toll and attributed its "low" count to his unmatchable success in mitigating the disaster. His pro death attitude belies his image as a "pro life" advocate as he is nothing more than a religious and political Pharisee.

CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:00 pm It is almost as if they are serious about health risks...

PSU football doctor: 30-35 percent of COVID-19-positive Big Ten athletes had myocarditis.

https://www.centredaily.com/sports/coll ... 48050.html