2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[HooDat]

The $4.03-an-hour rate recorded in January 1973 had the same purchasing power that $23.68 would today.

makes paying our national debt a lot cheaper.

But most people didn't feel that way in 2015 and 2016?
That was your implication, right?

I won't speak for TLD, but my sense was that most people in 2015/2016 were feeling very financially insecure.

When it comes to deficits and spending, the only formula that works is a D president and a Congress controlled (at least one chamber) by the GOP. Clinton/Gingrich. Obama/Boehner-Ryan/McConnell.

None of the other combos work. #facts

I quite agree with this statement. You need the liberal dreamer who thinks big in the white house and the conservative "doers" in Congress making sure we go slowly and reach consensus before getting too hasty about changes. The problem with the formula is that Congress stopped doing their job a long time ago.


btw this bit if insight is spectacularly true:

If you want to understand Trump, pick up a copy of the classic treatment of this subject -- On Bullshirt by Prof Frankfurt of Princeton:

"Bullshirt and the related concept of humbug are distinct from lying. Bullshirters misrepresent themselves to their audience not as liars do, that is, by deliberately making false claims about what is true. In fact, bullshirt need not be untrue at all."

"Rather, bullshirters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant. Although bullshirt can take many innocent forms, excessive indulgence in it can eventually undermine the practitioner's capacity to tell the truth in a way that lying does not. Liars at least acknowledge that it matters what is true. By virtue of this, bullshirt is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are."

[Typical Lax Dad]

The $4.03-an-hour rate recorded in January 1973 had the same purchasing power that $23.68 would today.

makes paying our national debt a lot cheaper.

But most people didn't feel that way in 2015 and 2016?
That was your implication, right?

I won't speak for TLD, but my sense was that most people in 2015/2016 were feeling very financially insecure.

When it comes to deficits and spending, the only formula that works is a D president and a Congress controlled (at least one chamber) by the GOP. Clinton/Gingrich. Obama/Boehner-Ryan/McConnell.

None of the other combos work. #facts

I quite agree with this statement. You need the liberal dreamer who thinks big in the white house and the conservative "doers" in Congress making sure we go slowly and reach consensus before getting too hasty about changes. The problem with the formula is that Congress stopped doing their job a long time ago.


btw this bit if insight is spectacularly true:

If you want to understand Trump, pick up a copy of the classic treatment of this subject -- On Bullshirt by Prof Frankfurt of Princeton:

"Bullshirt and the related concept of humbug are distinct from lying. Bullshirters misrepresent themselves to their audience not as liars do, that is, by deliberately making false claims about what is true. In fact, bullshirt need not be untrue at all."

"Rather, bullshirters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant. Although bullshirt can take many innocent forms, excessive indulgence in it can eventually undermine the practitioner's capacity to tell the truth in a way that lying does not. Liars at least acknowledge that it matters what is true. By virtue of this, bullshirt is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are."

Yes on the national debt..... cheaper dollars...... all things being equal. But the point is that the american worker has basically been on a treadmill.....

[HooDat]

But the point is that the american worker has basically been on a treadmill.....

which is why he and she are soooo pissed off! Throw on top of that the fact that while wages haven't budged in almots fifty years, the cost of a car has grown 10x, the cost of a house has gone up 100x and the cost of an education has gone up 1,000x!

But don't worry, the "man" will loan you money at 15% to buy that crud.


btw - the comment about the national debt was meant to be snarky

...the gov doesn't give a rat's behind about joe-six-pack's problems, they gov does care about the sustainability of the national credit card.

[6ftstick]

It's because most people are doing well right now...we have been programmed by marketing that we feel good when we have "things" and enough of them to keep us (pre)occupied along with a more discretionary savings account as compared to years past. Our memories are short and our selfishness is vast.

Said a different way....people do not really give a dump about Trump, so long as their lives are comfortable. Almost like how the liberal democrats have treated most, if not all, large inner cities.

How would you define most people and what is your measure of doing well?

And heres the problem.

Something COMMON SENSE used to tell you but now you need this defined. If for no other reason than to dispute it.

[Typical Lax Dad]

It's because most people are doing well right now...we have been programmed by marketing that we feel good when we have "things" and enough of them to keep us (pre)occupied along with a more discretionary savings account as compared to years past. Our memories are short and our selfishness is vast.

Said a different way....people do not really give a dump about Trump, so long as their lives are comfortable. Almost like how the liberal democrats have treated most, if not all, large inner cities.

How would you define most people and what is your measure of doing well?

And heres the problem.

Something COMMON SENSE used to tell you but now you need this defined. If for no other reason than to dispute it.

I was asking because he wrote "Most People = ......" I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something......

[6ftstick]

Thats not what the Mueller Report, a rabid MSM or three other congressional investigations found. Nice try.

This is new from you. So Kush & Co. didn't meet with a Russians spy, looking for dirt on Hillary? That didn't happen?

I know you don't care, and that's fine. But you know this happened. They TRIED to work with Russia.

What did the Mueller report find? Come on you can say it. Youu might choke on it but what dod the report find.

Then why all the noise and handwringing?

Because he didn't pass the immigration reform bill he promised, remember? You don't care that he didn't, and that's par for the course, but that's why.

a 1% move is almost 2million households. Ask those two million if they notice a difference in their lives.

Odd, you didn't feel that way when unemployment dropped every year Obama was in office. Neither did FoxNation. instead, they pointed at the workforce participation rate.

You're stuck now. You telling me that Obama improved the lives of millions and millions of Americans since he took office, and they were put back to work? Uh-oh. You're going to lose your "I hate Obama" membership card over this.

Obama took office in 2008 in 2013 participation in the workforce was the lowest it had been since 1978 FACT

From your post you can tell facts and numbers don't matter to YOU!

Not remotely true. Economy is doing great. My issue is with WHY the economy is doing great.

Trump got us here by borrowing Trillions, spending most of it on stuff we don't need, and handing the bill to our kids. You don't care, because you're a fake conservative. That's fine. Your prerogative.

The Federal Government is bigger than ever. And you're applauding. It's hilarious, if you ask me. Turns out the values you had a few years ago don't matter----you're getting paid, and that's all that matters.

This has been posted many times on multiple threads, but Trumpistas can't read or watch it???

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/all-o ... 30-minutes

From the transcript you posted above.

And Mueller's conclusion about this conspiracy comes right away.

In the very next line, Mueller writes, "Based on the available information, the investigation didn't establish such coordination."

Who can't read. You folks are so fn tiresome.

2.5 years of investigation and Mueller says NO COORDINATION multiple times.

[6ftstick]

The standard reply from sufferers of Trump derangement syndrome.

The guys credentials are perfect for the discussion. Its his findings that aren't.

You have no idea how silly you sound.

So A Psychology degree from Harvard and Editor of Psychology Today has no understanding of what motivates or triggers human behavior.

Hes not intelligent enough to understand research or fact finding on the claims Facebook itself made on how it affected the election.

You know how fning silly you sound?

[6ftstick]

It's because most people are doing well right now...we have been programmed by marketing that we feel good when we have "things" and enough of them to keep us (pre)occupied along with a more discretionary savings account as compared to years past. Our memories are short and our selfishness is vast.

Said a different way....people do not really give a dump about Trump, so long as their lives are comfortable. Almost like how the liberal democrats have treated most, if not all, large inner cities.

How would you define most people and what is your measure of doing well?

And heres the problem.

Something COMMON SENSE used to tell you but now you need this defined. If for no other reason than to dispute it.

I was asking because he wrote "Most People = ......" I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something......

Bullsh*t all you wanted to be able to do was dispute it. Im so sick of hearing from the left how awful things are what a terrible country we live it. Half the country is deplorablele and racist and the other half can't wipe their own azzez. Lets tear it all down and let Bernie and AOC take care of us. Would that make you happy?

[Typical Lax Dad]

It's because most people are doing well right now...we have been programmed by marketing that we feel good when we have "things" and enough of them to keep us (pre)occupied along with a more discretionary savings account as compared to years past. Our memories are short and our selfishness is vast.

Said a different way....people do not really give a dump about Trump, so long as their lives are comfortable. Almost like how the liberal democrats have treated most, if not all, large inner cities.

How would you define most people and what is your measure of doing well?

And heres the problem.

Something COMMON SENSE used to tell you but now you need this defined. If for no other reason than to dispute it.

I was asking because he wrote "Most People = ......" I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something......

Bullsh*t all you wanted to be able to do was dispute it. Im so sick of hearing from the left how awful things are what a terrible country we live it. Half the country is deplorablele and racist and the other half can't wipe their own azzez. Lets tear it all down and let Bernie and AOC take care of us. Would that make you happy?

Now you are mind reader. 1/3 are deplorable btw

[seacoaster]

"Half the country is deplorablele and racist...."

Awesome. Having one's stereotypes fulfilled is kind of fun.

[cradleandshoot]

Show me a politician that does not lie. That would be truly remarkable.

Come on C&S. We all know that Trump is outrageously far away from normal/typical.

When it comes to lying, Trump is Babe Ruth. The greatest of all time by a YUGE margin. And he's getting worse. He's now up to an average of 20 lies per day in public. As compared to Trump, all other politicians (D or R) are playing in the Little League of lying.

A good case can be made, though, that Trump really shouldn't be thought of as a liar. Hillary and Bill are classic liars -- they are very careful and cautious when lying. They work to keep their lies under wraps or keep their lies/stories straight. Since they know that lying is bad.

In contrast, Trump is better thought of as a classic bull shirt artist. He literally doesn't care if what he says is true or not. He doesn't bother to try to track his inaccuracies to keep his story straight. He doesn't even bother to try to hide that he's lying constantly -- he revels in telling spectacular lies that are easily proven to be such. He will literally say anything in the moment that seems advantageous to him. His tells so many lies that his lies are always conflicting with his other lies.

If you want to understand Trump, pick up a copy of the classic treatment of this subject -- On Bullshirt by Prof Frankfurt of Princeton:

"Bullshirt and the related concept of humbug are distinct from lying. Bullshirters misrepresent themselves to their audience not as liars do, that is, by deliberately making false claims about what is true. In fact, bullshirt need not be untrue at all."

"Rather, bullshirters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant. Although bullshirt can take many innocent forms, excessive indulgence in it can eventually undermine the practitioner's capacity to tell the truth in a way that lying does not. Liars at least acknowledge that it matters what is true. By virtue of this, bullshirt is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are."

It isn't lies, right? Just alternative facts! How telling that Trump says his apartment in Trump Tower is on the 68th floor. FYI, Trump Tower is 58 stories high.

When it comes to lying, Trump is Babe Ruth.


Did you forget about that little lie that revolved around the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution? That little lie sort of kind of out did all of Trumps lies. How many Americans died as the result of that little white lie... 60,000 thousand dead Americans. Trump is a lying SOB but the sum total of his lies never bought us a war in Vietnam. Explain to me again how all lies are created equal? Trump lies 20 times a day. It took one lie to involve us in a war in Vietnam. So you don't think it is a big deal that some politicians lie more than other... maybe a good counselor such as yourself can argue your case with all of our Vietnam vets. Ten thousand lies can be outdone by one very big lie... once it puts the lives of our service members in harms way. To be fair, the same argument could be made about the war in Iraq. Was it a lie or the result of really bad intelligence? The common denominator is the destruction in human lives caused by a little white lie or the bad interpretation of intelligence.

[Typical Lax Dad]

But the point is that the american worker has basically been on a treadmill.....

which is why he and she are soooo ticked off! Throw on top of that the fact that while wages haven't budged in almots fifty years, the cost of a car has grown 10x, the cost of a house has gone up 100x and the cost of an education has gone up 1,000x!

But don't worry, the "man" will loan you money at 15% to buy that crud.


btw - the comment about the national debt was meant to be snarky

...the gov doesn't give a rat's behind about joe-six-pack's problems, they gov does care about the sustainability of the national credit card.

Nope. The ruling class would rather have Joe six pack worry about some peasants that walked from Guatemala.... instead of the guy that quit his job because he was offended by a low 7 figure bonus.

[a fan]

Bullsh*t all you wanted to be able to do was dispute it. Im so sick of hearing from the left how awful things are what a terrible country we live it. Half the country is deplorablele and racist and the other half can't wipe their own azzez.

This is what makes the Water Cooler so glorious: posters have history.

Are us long time posters supposed to forget that this is PRECISELY what you felt for 8 long years under Obama? Everything Obama did was wrong. America, according to 6ftstick, was in flames. So was the rest of the Middle East and the rest of the world. And all of it was either the fault of Obama and the Dems, or Hillary Clinton.

Remember?

And now that Trump and his little R is in charge? Oh, sunshine, rainbows, and fuzzy bunnies have arrived en masse!! Hurray!!

Come on man. It's not possible you have this little self-awareness.


It's simple: you're happy a R is in charge. It makes your glass half full when you look at anything. While I don't understand how your mind works, and never will....I'm sincerely happy for you. I'm glad you're happy with Trump.

Btw, C&S brought up an excellent point: Trump gets the biggest star imaginable by his name for NOT invading a new country so far. Dead serious. Over the moon happy with Trump on this count.


And I frankly doubt we'd have the same situation had Hillary won. She was too much of an interventionist to leave well enough alone.

[youthathletics]

But the point is that the american worker has basically been on a treadmill.....

which is why he and she are soooo ticked off! Throw on top of that the fact that while wages haven't budged in almots fifty years, the cost of a car has grown 10x, the cost of a house has gone up 100x and the cost of an education has gone up 1,000x!

But don't worry, the "man" will loan you money at 15% to buy that crud.

Yup...this is what keeps that treadmill spinning......faster and faster and faster.

As you say the place that has gone up 1,000x is college education, is the same place where the man will lend you the most money with the least interrogation AND allow an 18 year old college freshman to have a CC with darned near zero credit history and no co-signer. Cha-Ching says the guy smoking Cohibas and lighting them w/$100 bills. His 42' Fountain stabin cabin boat name is likely.... "Interest Pays".

[Typical Lax Dad]

But the point is that the american worker has basically been on a treadmill.....

which is why he and she are soooo ticked off! Throw on top of that the fact that while wages haven't budged in almots fifty years, the cost of a car has grown 10x, the cost of a house has gone up 100x and the cost of an education has gone up 1,000x!

But don't worry, the "man" will loan you money at 15% to buy that crud.

Yup...this is what keeps that treadmill spinning......faster and faster and faster.

As you say the place that has gone up 1,000x is college education, is the same place where the man will lend you the most money with the least interrogation AND allow an 18 year old college freshman to have a CC with darned near zero credit history and no co-signer. Cha-Ching says the guy smoking Cohibas and lighting them w/$100 bills. His 42' Fountain stabin cabin boat name is likely.... "Interest Pays".

Lower his taxes so the money can trickle down.

[6ftstick]

Bullsh*t all you wanted to be able to do was dispute it. Im so sick of hearing from the left how awful things are what a terrible country we live it. Half the country is deplorablele and racist and the other half can't wipe their own azzez.

This is what makes the Water Cooler so glorious: posters have history.

Are us long time posters supposed to forget that this is PRECISELY what you felt for 8 long years under Obama? Everything Obama did was wrong. America, according to 6ftstick, was in flames. So was the rest of the Middle East and the rest of the world. And all of it was either the fault of Obama and the Dems, or Hillary Clinton.

Remember?

And now that Trump and his little R is in charge? Oh, sunshine, rainbows, and fuzzy bunnies have arrived en masse!! Hurray!!

Come on man. It's not possible you have this little self-awareness.


It's simple: you're happy a R is in charge. It makes your glass half full when you look at anything. While I don't understand how your mind works, and never will....I'm sincerely happy for you. I'm glad you're happy with Trump.

Btw, C&S brought up an excellent point: Trump gets the biggest star imaginable by his name for NOT invading a new country so far. Dead serious. Over the moon happy with Trump on this count.


And I frankly doubt we'd have the same situation had Hillary won. She was too much of an interventionist to leave well enough alone.

Obama NEVER improved anything. Trump has improved everything. Big difference.

[a fan]

Well played, sir.

[CU88]

Thats not what the Mueller Report, a rabid MSM or three other congressional investigations found. Nice try.

This is new from you. So Kush & Co. didn't meet with a Russians spy, looking for dirt on Hillary? That didn't happen?

I know you don't care, and that's fine. But you know this happened. They TRIED to work with Russia.

What did the Mueller report find? Come on you can say it. Youu might choke on it but what dod the report find.

Then why all the noise and handwringing?

Because he didn't pass the immigration reform bill he promised, remember? You don't care that he didn't, and that's par for the course, but that's why.

a 1% move is almost 2million households. Ask those two million if they notice a difference in their lives.

Odd, you didn't feel that way when unemployment dropped every year Obama was in office. Neither did FoxNation. instead, they pointed at the workforce participation rate.

You're stuck now. You telling me that Obama improved the lives of millions and millions of Americans since he took office, and they were put back to work? Uh-oh. You're going to lose your "I hate Obama" membership card over this.

Obama took office in 2008 in 2013 participation in the workforce was the lowest it had been since 1978 FACT

From your post you can tell facts and numbers don't matter to YOU!

Not remotely true. Economy is doing great. My issue is with WHY the economy is doing great.

Trump got us here by borrowing Trillions, spending most of it on stuff we don't need, and handing the bill to our kids. You don't care, because you're a fake conservative. That's fine. Your prerogative.

The Federal Government is bigger than ever. And you're applauding. It's hilarious, if you ask me. Turns out the values you had a few years ago don't matter----you're getting paid, and that's all that matters.

This has been posted many times on multiple threads, but Trumpistas can't read or watch it???

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/all-o ... 30-minutes

From the transcript you posted above.

And Mueller's conclusion about this conspiracy comes right away.

In the very next line, Mueller writes, "Based on the available information, the investigation didn't establish such coordination."

Who can't read. You folks are so fn tiresome.

2.5 years of investigation and Mueller says NO COORDINATION multiple times.

You can lead a horse to water...

[6ftstick]

Well played, sir.

HAHAAH

[foreverlax]

It's because most people are doing well right now...we have been programmed by marketing that we feel good when we have "things" and enough of them to keep us (pre)occupied along with a more discretionary savings account as compared to years past. Our memories are short and our selfishness is vast.

Said a different way....people do not really give a dump about Trump, so long as their lives are comfortable. Almost like how the liberal democrats have treated most, if not all, large inner cities.

How would you define most people and what is your measure of doing well?

And heres the problem.

Something COMMON SENSE used to tell you but now you need this defined. If for no other reason than to dispute it.

I was asking because he wrote "Most People = ......" I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something......

Bullsh*t all you wanted to be able to do was dispute it. Im so sick of hearing from the left how awful things are what a terrible country we live it. Half the country is deplorablele and racist and the other half can't wipe their own azzez. Lets tear it all down and let Bernie and AOC take care of us. Would that make you happy?

Trump is the one who complains the most about how bad America is.....65% of the Americans don't hate America, they just want a POTUS who actually has a plan and doesn't lie.

Obama NEVER improved anything. Trump has improved everything. Big difference.

Never mind.