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Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:46 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:44 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:29 pm

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:24 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:13 pmFTR, I would fast forward through any Republican tripe that George Will composes. He is as repugnant to me as is HCR.

Interesting, given how repulsed Will has been by Trumpism.

..

I’m a huge George Will fan but he’s got too much of that edumacation for cradle

You wear cute colorful bowties too? Will is an arrogant snob. It does not surprise me your a fan. I'm educated enough to understand the words of an elitist snob. Garth Brooks said it best.. I got friends in low places. I wouldn't want it any other way. Nobody nibbles on Beluga caviar where I come from.

But not educated enough to understand the words of an educated person. Sadly that’s by choice because it doesn’t require a formal education just listening and being open minded, maybe some independent reading and getting outside your small world.

I eat barbecue and do my own yardwork and most importantly was molded and formed in the same place as you. No matter in that I was open to the larger world and you rejected it. Had no interest in being a bitter fat man with a mustache with kielbasa grease in it while rocking a Bills starter jacket and resenting everyone else while watching my community decline as I crap ok it and do nothing to make it better.

But not educated enough to understand the words of an educated person.

When i need to listen to the words of an educated person, i will choose George Carlin. He is my type of smart person. He would talk to you and not try and baffle you with educated smart person gobbledygook. My mom had a phrase she used no me and my siblings (except my sister Annie) all the time... "your so smart you don't realize just how stupid you can be" In my life the most profound knowledge imparted in my brain came from people who never graduated from HS. They did earn their PhD in the school of hard knocks. Their hands were scarred and covered with callouses. Hard to trust some arrogant, elitist PhD type snob whose hands are softer than raw veal. BTW, in my neck of the woods we chow down on home made Italian sausage from Rubinos Italian Foods. Served in my wifes home made sauce or eaten on fresh sausage rolls from DiVincenzos Bakery served only with my own sauteed onions and peppers. Yeah, they are greasy as hell. They are much better than a TOFU burger served on gluten free bread with organic only condiments.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/j-and-d-divinc ... -rochester

https://rubinos.net/

In my house growing up, knockwurst was only served with kraut and potatoes.

BTW, a dedicated Bills fan never spills anything on their game day gear.

Here you go, for people who don't take George Carlin and their Mom as the final word on democracy and the rule of law:

HCR:

"On this date five years ago, in the run-up to the 2016 election, the Washington Post broke the story of the so-called Access Hollywood tape, a video from 2005 in which Donald Trump told television host Billy Bush about his approach to women. "I don't even wait” to start kissing them, he said. “And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.... Grab 'em by the p***y. You can do anything."

Today’s events indicated that, as president, he took a similar approach to the Department of Justice.

This morning, the Democratic majority of the Senate Judiciary Committee released a draft report of its investigation into Trump’s attempt to use the Department of Justice to overturn the results of the 2020 election. The report found that Trump repeatedly tried to get the DOJ to endorse his false claims that the election was stolen and to overturn its results, singling out nine specific attempts to change the outcome. Trump, the report says, “grossly abused the power of the presidency.”

The report points to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows as a key player in the attempt to subvert the DOJ, and it singles out a number of other officials as participants in the pressure campaign. Those people include Jeffrey Bossert Clark from within the DOJ, whom Trump tried to install as acting attorney general to push his demands; Representative Scott Perry (R-PA); Doug Mastriano, a Republican state senator from Pennsylvania; and Cleta Mitchell, a legal adviser to the Trump campaign. The draft report also notes that under Attorney General William Barr, the DOJ “deviated from longstanding practice” when it began to investigate allegations of fraud before the votes were certified.

The report concludes that the efforts to subvert the DOJ were part of Trump’s attempt “to retain the presidency by any means necessary,” a process that “without a doubt” “created the disinformation ecosystem necessary for Trump to incite almost 1000 Americans to breach the Capitol in a violent attempt to subvert democracy by stopping the certification of a free and fair election.”

The minority of the Senate Judiciary Committee promptly published a rebuttal, defending the former president by saying that “President Trump listened to his advisors, including high-level DOJ officials and White House Counsel and followed their recommendations.”

The top Republican member of the Senate Judiciary Committee is Chuck Grassley (R-IA), who is running for reelection in 2022 and is facing a primary challenger from the right. Grassley will be speaking on Saturday at Trump’s “rally” in Iowa. As then–Senate president pro tempore and thus the next person in line to count the electoral votes if Vice President Mike Pence were absent, Grassley was not uninvolved in the events of January 6.

Indeed, on January 5, Roll Call reported Grassley’s statement that he and not Vice President Mike Pence would preside over the counting of the certified votes the following day. “f the Vice President isn’t there, and we don’t expect him to be there, I will be presiding over the Senate,” Grassley said. His staff immediately walked the statement back, but it does suggest he might have been aware of some of the White House machinations to overturn the election.

On CNN, host Jake Tapper called Grassley’s response to the majority’s report “a very, very generous to the point of delusional reflection of what actually happened.”

Today was also the deadline for four of Trump’s closest allies to turn over documents to the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol and to schedule testimony. Former chief of staff Mark Meadows, social media manager Dan Scavino, adviser Steve Bannon, and former Defense Department official Kash Patel have until midnight tonight to contact the committee.

Trump’s lawyers wrote a letter telling the four men not to cooperate with the congressional subpoena. The letter claims that Trump is planning to contest the subpoenas on the basis of executive privilege.

But even if this president does accept his assertion of executive privilege—and there are good reasons for any president to be nervous about depositions from a chief of staff—such an assertion would likely not cover Steve Bannon.

Meanwhile, the committee issued three new subpoenas today, this time for people or entities involved in rallies to protest the 2020 election results to testify. The committee subpoenaed Ali Abdul Akbar, known as Ali Alexander, and Nathan Martin, as well as Stop the Steal L.L.C., an organization affiliated with the January 6 protest in Washington.

After the election, Alexander called frequently for violence to overturn the results and claimed to be in contact with White House officials and Representatives Mo Brooks (R-AL), Paul Gosar (R-AZ), and Andy Biggs (R-AZ) about January 6. In a now-deleted video, Alexander said: “We four schemed up… putting maximum pressure on Congress while they were voting… so that who we couldn’t lobby, we could change the hearts and the minds of Republicans who were in that body, hearing our loud roar from outside.”

This evening the Senate managed to pass a measure to raise the debt ceiling until December, but it was not an easy sell. Trump continued to object to clearing the way for Democrats to keep the nation from tipping over the cliff into default despite the fact that the nation racked up $7.8 trillion in debt on his watch and raising the debt ceiling is necessary to cover that debt.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-KY) promise that the Republicans would no longer block the Democrats from addressing the issue did not stop a number of Republican senators from continuing to object. Finally, 11 Republicans agreed to join the Democrats to break a Republican filibuster by a vote of 61–38. The Democrats then passed legislation to address the debt ceiling by a strict party vote of 50–48 and sent the measure to the House.

It took a filibuster-proof majority of the Senate not to pass a bill to protect the nation’s economic health and international standing, but simply to keep an angry minority at bay long enough to permit Democrats to pass that bill.

The news that the Senate had agreed to a deal made the Dow Jones Industrial Average jump 330 points."

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:13 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:46 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:44 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:29 pm

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:24 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:13 pmFTR, I would fast forward through any Republican tripe that George Will composes. He is as repugnant to me as is HCR.

Interesting, given how repulsed Will has been by Trumpism.

..

I’m a huge George Will fan but he’s got too much of that edumacation for cradle

You wear cute colorful bowties too? Will is an arrogant snob. It does not surprise me your a fan. I'm educated enough to understand the words of an elitist snob. Garth Brooks said it best.. I got friends in low places. I wouldn't want it any other way. Nobody nibbles on Beluga caviar where I come from.

But not educated enough to understand the words of an educated person. Sadly that’s by choice because it doesn’t require a formal education just listening and being open minded, maybe some independent reading and getting outside your small world.

I eat barbecue and do my own yardwork and most importantly was molded and formed in the same place as you. No matter in that I was open to the larger world and you rejected it. Had no interest in being a bitter fat man with a mustache with kielbasa grease in it while rocking a Bills starter jacket and resenting everyone else while watching my community decline as I crap ok it and do nothing to make it better.

But not educated enough to understand the words of an educated person.

When i need to listen to the words of an educated person, i will choose George Carlin. He is my type of smart person. He would talk to you and not try and baffle you with educated smart person gobbledygook. My mom had a phrase she used no me and my siblings (except my sister Annie) all the time... "your so smart you don't realize just how stupid you can be" In my life the most profound knowledge imparted in my brain came from people who never graduated from HS. They did earn their PhD in the school of hard knocks. Their hands were scarred and covered with callouses. Hard to trust some arrogant, elitist PhD type snob whose hands are softer than raw veal. BTW, in my neck of the woods we chow down on home made Italian sausage from Rubinos Italian Foods. Served in my wifes home made sauce or eaten on fresh sausage rolls from DiVincenzos Bakery served only with my own sauteed onions and peppers. Yeah, they are greasy as hell. They are much better than a TOFU burger served on gluten free bread with organic only condiments.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/j-and-d-divinc ... -rochester

https://rubinos.net/

In my house growing up, knockwurst was only served with kraut and potatoes.

BTW, a dedicated Bills fan never spills anything on their game day gear.

A. You didn’t know my dad-his wing sauce stains were a source of pride. Real bills fans go shirtless as well.
B. Never could eat a lot of those German items just give me some gold ok’d greasy italian sausage.
C. Who the f**k eats tofu burgers. Just give me circumcised foreskin instead.

Nonetheless this dichotomy you set up is bull**it. I’ve got callouses all over my hands, but it ain’t from a healthy done of crank and yank, I.e. throwing rope, because that’s the only time I use lotion and yet I can use words that exist in the broad and diverse universe of the English language rather than standing around and opening the Candygram for Mongo. It’s just insecurity that makes you believe what you espouse. Lean into the fear and darkness of the unknown. There’s risk but it’s invaluable to life even if you’re and the backside of the age curve. My dad never stopped asking questions and there’s no simpler folks than the ones where he grew up. Or just open your mind to the fact that the world is more than your experience.

Or not and continue to be angry and resentful and think everyone is an jerk. Liberty, free choice and such…

*enter others with no context to explain something that’s not relevant or completely misunderstands our dialogue.

So, what do we think the timetable will prove to be for getting these subpoena refusers under oath?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/07/politics ... index.html

Any of our further to the right posters care to speculate why they don't want to be under oath?

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:23 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:13 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:46 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:44 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:29 pm

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:24 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:13 pmFTR, I would fast forward through any Republican tripe that George Will composes. He is as repugnant to me as is HCR.

Interesting, given how repulsed Will has been by Trumpism.

..

I’m a huge George Will fan but he’s got too much of that edumacation for cradle

You wear cute colorful bowties too? Will is an arrogant snob. It does not surprise me your a fan. I'm educated enough to understand the words of an elitist snob. Garth Brooks said it best.. I got friends in low places. I wouldn't want it any other way. Nobody nibbles on Beluga caviar where I come from.

But not educated enough to understand the words of an educated person. Sadly that’s by choice because it doesn’t require a formal education just listening and being open minded, maybe some independent reading and getting outside your small world.

I eat barbecue and do my own yardwork and most importantly was molded and formed in the same place as you. No matter in that I was open to the larger world and you rejected it. Had no interest in being a bitter fat man with a mustache with kielbasa grease in it while rocking a Bills starter jacket and resenting everyone else while watching my community decline as I crap ok it and do nothing to make it better.

But not educated enough to understand the words of an educated person.

When i need to listen to the words of an educated person, i will choose George Carlin. He is my type of smart person. He would talk to you and not try and baffle you with educated smart person gobbledygook. My mom had a phrase she used no me and my siblings (except my sister Annie) all the time... "your so smart you don't realize just how stupid you can be" In my life the most profound knowledge imparted in my brain came from people who never graduated from HS. They did earn their PhD in the school of hard knocks. Their hands were scarred and covered with callouses. Hard to trust some arrogant, elitist PhD type snob whose hands are softer than raw veal. BTW, in my neck of the woods we chow down on home made Italian sausage from Rubinos Italian Foods. Served in my wifes home made sauce or eaten on fresh sausage rolls from DiVincenzos Bakery served only with my own sauteed onions and peppers. Yeah, they are greasy as hell. They are much better than a TOFU burger served on gluten free bread with organic only condiments.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/j-and-d-divinc ... -rochester

https://rubinos.net/

In my house growing up, knockwurst was only served with kraut and potatoes.

BTW, a dedicated Bills fan never spills anything on their game day gear.

A. You didn’t know my dad-his wing sauce stains were a source of pride. Real bills fans go shirtless as well.
B. Never could eat a lot of those German items just give me some gold ok’d greasy italian sausage.
C. Who the f**k eats tofu burgers. Just give me circumcised foreskin instead.

Nonetheless this dichotomy you set up is bull**it. I’ve got callouses all over my hands, but it ain’t from a healthy done of crank and yank, I.e. throwing rope, because that’s the only time I use lotion and yet I can use words that exist in the broad and diverse universe of the English language rather than standing around and opening the Candygram for Mongo. It’s just insecurity that makes you believe what you espouse. Lean into the fear and darkness of the unknown. There’s risk but it’s invaluable to life even if you’re and the backside of the age curve. My dad never stopped asking questions and there’s no simpler folks than the ones where he grew up. Or just open your mind to the fact that the world is more than your experience.

Or not and continue to be angry and resentful and think everyone is an jerk. Liberty, free choice and such…

*enter others with no context to explain something that’s not relevant or completely misunderstands our dialogue.

We have one thing in common FFG. We were both born from poor middle families in Upstate NY. There is not an angry bone in my body. My beautiful Italian bride will attest to that. I'm heading towards the end of my working career. I collect my first ss check in mid January. I work now because I want to not because I have to. That ain't a bad thing for a lowlife like me that never went to college or appreciated the existentialism of Sartre. So you think I'm stupid
? Maybe I am in your eyes? In my defense I have never once in my lifetime pretended to be someone I have never been. How many of your elitist, snob friends know that you are trailer park trash from upstate NY?

Do you guys think this is a productive discussion?

Relationship to thread topic?

For instance, is it your thesis cradle that you're a conservative because you are proud not to be an "elitist, snob" and have "calloused hands" and "didn't go to college", went to the "school of hard knocks" and don't see anything interesting in the "existentialism of Sartre" ?

and Geneva, younger, did go to college?

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:26 am So, what do we think the timetable will prove to be for getting these subpoena refusers under oath?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/07/politics ... index.html

Any of our further to the right posters care to speculate why they don't want to be under oath?

I don't know, you ask a fair question. I'm guessing that pesky little issue of the 5th amendment may come into play?

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:43 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:26 am So, what do we think the timetable will prove to be for getting these subpoena refusers under oath?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/07/politics ... index.html

Any of our further to the right posters care to speculate why they don't want to be under oath?

I don't know, you ask a fair question. I'm guessing that pesky little issue of the 5th amendment may come into play?

Gotta go under oath to take the 5th...can't just refuse to show up.

They do have the right to take the 5th...but they have to show up, else be in contempt and go to jail for that.
And they also don't have the right to refuse to provide documents, etc.

Here's the thing, there's going to be lots of documents without their cooperation...if they choose the 5th or contempt, they'll be subject as well to criminal charges for various other criminal violations, Hatch Act etc, as well as potentially very serious charges like sedition.

The smart play is to take their lumps, explain themselves best they can, 'orders from POTUS' etc.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:42 am Do you guys think this is a productive discussion?

Relationship to thread topic?

For instance, is it your thesis cradle that you're a conservative because you are proud not to be an "elitist, snob" and have "calloused hands" and "didn't go to college", went to the "school of hard knocks" and don't see anything interesting in the "existentialism of Sartre" ?

and Geneva, younger, did go to college?

Sometimes MD, you should butt the eff out and mind your own business. You have no concept of the context of our conversation. Why don't you go back to disparaging OS? If FFG wants to rip me a new one I'm sure he does not need your help.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:48 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:42 am Do you guys think this is a productive discussion?

Relationship to thread topic?

For instance, is it your thesis cradle that you're a conservative because you are proud not to be an "elitist, snob" and have "calloused hands" and "didn't go to college", went to the "school of hard knocks" and don't see anything interesting in the "existentialism of Sartre" ?

and Geneva, younger, did go to college?

Sometimes MD, you should butt the eff out and mind your own business. You have no concept of the context of our conversation. Why don't you go back to disparaging OS? If FFG wants to rip me a new one I'm sure he does not need your help.

Context?
I've followed the back and forth insults and don't see much relationship to the thread topic...take it to PM if you don't want others to read and comment.

My question is an attempt to give you guys a chance to show some relationship to the thread topic.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:46 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:43 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:26 am So, what do we think the timetable will prove to be for getting these subpoena refusers under oath?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/07/politics ... index.html

Any of our further to the right posters care to speculate why they don't want to be under oath?

I don't know, you ask a fair question. I'm guessing that pesky little issue of the 5th amendment may come into play?

Gotta go under oath to take the 5th...can't just refuse to show up.

Good point, does that lessen anybody's rights to not incriminate themselves?

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:56 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:46 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:43 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:26 am So, what do we think the timetable will prove to be for getting these subpoena refusers under oath?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/07/politics ... index.html

Any of our further to the right posters care to speculate why they don't want to be under oath?

I don't know, you ask a fair question. I'm guessing that pesky little issue of the 5th amendment may come into play?

Gotta go under oath to take the 5th...can't just refuse to show up.

Good point, does that lessen anybody's rights to not incriminate themselves?

I added a bit more to my comment above.

Absolutely, we all have a right to take the 5th...after we go under oath.
We don't have a right to refuse a subpoena.
We must produce documents, we must testify...though when we testify we can take the 5th.

I'm not a lawyer, so perhaps one of our legal folks will correct me, but that's my understanding.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:53 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:48 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:42 am Do you guys think this is a productive discussion?

Relationship to thread topic?

For instance, is it your thesis cradle that you're a conservative because you are proud not to be an "elitist, snob" and have "calloused hands" and "didn't go to college", went to the "school of hard knocks" and don't see anything interesting in the "existentialism of Sartre" ?

and Geneva, younger, did go to college?

Sometimes MD, you should butt the eff out and mind your own business. You have no concept of the context of our conversation. Why don't you go back to disparaging OS? If FFG wants to rip me a new one I'm sure he does not need your help.

Context?
I've followed the back and forth insults and don't see much relationship to the thread topic...take it to PM if you don't want others to read and comment.

My question is an attempt to give you guys a chance to show some relationship to the thread topic.

Since when, as of late, does the thread topic have any relevant issue to the discussion? Are you now addressing selective outrage? FTR I know what you are talking about. If you have paid enough attention many of our posters meander off into far left field all of the time.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:00 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:56 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:46 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:43 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:26 am So, what do we think the timetable will prove to be for getting these subpoena refusers under oath?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/07/politics ... index.html

Any of our further to the right posters care to speculate why they don't want to be under oath?

I don't know, you ask a fair question. I'm guessing that pesky little issue of the 5th amendment may come into play?

Gotta go under oath to take the 5th...can't just refuse to show up.

Good point, does that lessen anybody's rights to not incriminate themselves?

I added a bit more to my comment above.

Absolutely, we all have a right to take the 5th...after we go under oath.
We don't have a right to refuse a subpoena.
We must produce documents, we must testify...though when we testify we can take the 5th.

I'm not a lawyer, so perhaps one of our legal folks will correct me, but that's my understanding.

Again, good point. IMO irrespective of party loyalty, no one wants to sit in front of any committee under oath and plead the 5th. It always makes it look like you have something to hide.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:01 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:53 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:48 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:42 am Do you guys think this is a productive discussion?

Relationship to thread topic?

For instance, is it your thesis cradle that you're a conservative because you are proud not to be an "elitist, snob" and have "calloused hands" and "didn't go to college", went to the "school of hard knocks" and don't see anything interesting in the "existentialism of Sartre" ?

and Geneva, younger, did go to college?

Sometimes MD, you should butt the eff out and mind your own business. You have no concept of the context of our conversation. Why don't you go back to disparaging OS? If FFG wants to rip me a new one I'm sure he does not need your help.

Context?
I've followed the back and forth insults and don't see much relationship to the thread topic...take it to PM if you don't want others to read and comment.

My question is an attempt to give you guys a chance to show some relationship to the thread topic.

Since when, as of late, does the thread topic have any relevant issue to the discussion? Are you now addressing selective outrage? FTR I know what you are talking about. If you have paid enough attention many of our posters meander off into far left field all of the time.

Yup, I've done so as well, most of us do "meander" or "digress" sometimes, and generally other posters try to nudge folks back to the topic.

Personally, I find the personal insults back and forth to be wearing.
They're sometimes even outside the bounds of the rules, but my own preference is for other posters to give the 'offenders' a chance to just get back on topic and tone down the personal.

Personally, I'm less bothered by off topic digressions about what beer to drink, what book or movie...etc, jokes, etc...than personal insults.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:04 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:00 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:56 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:46 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:43 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:26 am So, what do we think the timetable will prove to be for getting these subpoena refusers under oath?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/07/politics ... index.html

Any of our further to the right posters care to speculate why they don't want to be under oath?

I don't know, you ask a fair question. I'm guessing that pesky little issue of the 5th amendment may come into play?

Gotta go under oath to take the 5th...can't just refuse to show up.

Good point, does that lessen anybody's rights to not incriminate themselves?

I added a bit more to my comment above.

Absolutely, we all have a right to take the 5th...after we go under oath.
We don't have a right to refuse a subpoena.
We must produce documents, we must testify...though when we testify we can take the 5th.

I'm not a lawyer, so perhaps one of our legal folks will correct me, but that's my understanding.

Again, good point. IMO irrespective of party loyalty, no one wants to sit in front of any committee under oath and plead the 5th. It always makes it look like you have something to hide.

queue a Godfather II clip...

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:11 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:04 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:00 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:56 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:46 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:43 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:26 am So, what do we think the timetable will prove to be for getting these subpoena refusers under oath?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/07/politics ... index.html

Any of our further to the right posters care to speculate why they don't want to be under oath?

I don't know, you ask a fair question. I'm guessing that pesky little issue of the 5th amendment may come into play?

Gotta go under oath to take the 5th...can't just refuse to show up.

Good point, does that lessen anybody's rights to not incriminate themselves?

I added a bit more to my comment above.

Absolutely, we all have a right to take the 5th...after we go under oath.
We don't have a right to refuse a subpoena.
We must produce documents, we must testify...though when we testify we can take the 5th.

I'm not a lawyer, so perhaps one of our legal folks will correct me, but that's my understanding.

Again, good point. IMO irrespective of party loyalty, no one wants to sit in front of any committee under oath and plead the 5th. It always makes it look like you have something to hide.

queue a Godfather II clip...

Good one... GF two is one of my all time favorite movies.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:37 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:23 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:13 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:46 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:44 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:29 pm

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:24 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:13 pmFTR, I would fast forward through any Republican tripe that George Will composes. He is as repugnant to me as is HCR.

Interesting, given how repulsed Will has been by Trumpism.

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I’m a huge George Will fan but he’s got too much of that edumacation for cradle

You wear cute colorful bowties too? Will is an arrogant snob. It does not surprise me your a fan. I'm educated enough to understand the words of an elitist snob. Garth Brooks said it best.. I got friends in low places. I wouldn't want it any other way. Nobody nibbles on Beluga caviar where I come from.

But not educated enough to understand the words of an educated person. Sadly that’s by choice because it doesn’t require a formal education just listening and being open minded, maybe some independent reading and getting outside your small world.

I eat barbecue and do my own yardwork and most importantly was molded and formed in the same place as you. No matter in that I was open to the larger world and you rejected it. Had no interest in being a bitter fat man with a mustache with kielbasa grease in it while rocking a Bills starter jacket and resenting everyone else while watching my community decline as I crap ok it and do nothing to make it better.

But not educated enough to understand the words of an educated person.

When i need to listen to the words of an educated person, i will choose George Carlin. He is my type of smart person. He would talk to you and not try and baffle you with educated smart person gobbledygook. My mom had a phrase she used no me and my siblings (except my sister Annie) all the time... "your so smart you don't realize just how stupid you can be" In my life the most profound knowledge imparted in my brain came from people who never graduated from HS. They did earn their PhD in the school of hard knocks. Their hands were scarred and covered with callouses. Hard to trust some arrogant, elitist PhD type snob whose hands are softer than raw veal. BTW, in my neck of the woods we chow down on home made Italian sausage from Rubinos Italian Foods. Served in my wifes home made sauce or eaten on fresh sausage rolls from DiVincenzos Bakery served only with my own sauteed onions and peppers. Yeah, they are greasy as hell. They are much better than a TOFU burger served on gluten free bread with organic only condiments.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/j-and-d-divinc ... -rochester

https://rubinos.net/

In my house growing up, knockwurst was only served with kraut and potatoes.

BTW, a dedicated Bills fan never spills anything on their game day gear.

A. You didn’t know my dad-his wing sauce stains were a source of pride. Real bills fans go shirtless as well.
B. Never could eat a lot of those German items just give me some gold ok’d greasy italian sausage.
C. Who the f**k eats tofu burgers. Just give me circumcised foreskin instead.

Nonetheless this dichotomy you set up is bull**it. I’ve got callouses all over my hands, but it ain’t from a healthy done of crank and yank, I.e. throwing rope, because that’s the only time I use lotion and yet I can use words that exist in the broad and diverse universe of the English language rather than standing around and opening the Candygram for Mongo. It’s just insecurity that makes you believe what you espouse. Lean into the fear and darkness of the unknown. There’s risk but it’s invaluable to life even if you’re and the backside of the age curve. My dad never stopped asking questions and there’s no simpler folks than the ones where he grew up. Or just open your mind to the fact that the world is more than your experience.

Or not and continue to be angry and resentful and think everyone is an jerk. Liberty, free choice and such…

*enter others with no context to explain something that’s not relevant or completely misunderstands our dialogue.

We have one thing in common FFG. We were both born from poor middle families in Upstate NY. There is not an angry bone in my body. My beautiful Italian bride will attest to that. I'm heading towards the end of my working career. I collect my first ss check in mid January. I work now because I want to not because I have to. That ain't a bad thing for a lowlife like me that never went to college or appreciated the existentialism of Sartre. So you think I'm stupid
? Maybe I am in your eyes? In my defense I have never once in my lifetime pretended to be someone I have never been. How many of your elitist, snob friends know that you are trailer park trash from upstate NY?

Never said stupid or think that. Closed minded based on a myriad of conversations here which is primary source evidence because the alternative is that you are duplicitously behaving different here than you do in the real world which I seriously doubt. Universally, you tie it all back to your specific experience and that's just not the whole story of life. To refuse to try to understand and assume there's no value at all in any of this other stuff is stupid, but that's not the same thing as saying you are stupid which I'm sure you understand. You measure yourself by being able to live on SSI and that was a goal of my parents by and large, my mother should not have been a homeowner once I was out of the house but she held onto it like a squirrel with a singular nut in the winter because owning a home was a huge deal even if I left $30k on the table beacuse it had so much deferred maintenance when I sold it. Aand yet chide others for wanting something more yet don't actually express that such agendas are, in fact, a measurement for those people. I did, but don't anymore and it was a mistake and I can admit my mistakes and learn from them, not just bury them and blame the shifting of the planet or whatever for my issues or problems.

I don't hang with many of those people outisde of free (expensed) business steak/seafood dinners, because if you're honest, you'd do those too on someone else's tab and take that paycheck to deal with them professionally. I spend very little time in buckhead, little time betwwen K & M street NW, little time in Gramercy, Tribeca or SoHo during my time in those cities. I find talented people regardless - if it's Tupac that's great, if it's Yo Yo Ma or Taj Mahal or Bach that's just as good as The Pixies or Pearl Jam, The Clash, Zeppelin or Johnny Cash. I don't close my mind to "headbangers" or "ghetto bangers". Do I want to get down with Keith Haring's lifestyle? Heck no, but his stuff is pretty cool. "real recognizes real" I'm grateful that I can recognize both talents and recognize bs artists which is both a valuable tool I have acquired and puts me outside of the mainstream in some ways, but I like that way of life.

The only lowlife thing I've seen, otherwise think you are a kind and decent thing in the real world is trying to shame me by outing a private conversation where I shared to empathize with your situation and you used it as some tool to hurt, which only made you look bad, especially after going after MD for a lesser version of your offense.

Totally unsurprising disgrace:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... clerkship/

"For a graduating law student, a clerkship with a federal appeals court judge is a glittering credential. With the right judge, it can be a steppingstone to the most sought-after credential of all, a clerkship at the Supreme Court itself. One of those reliable “feeder” judges is William H. Pryor Jr., chief judge of the 11th Circuit and on Donald Trump’s original shortlist for the Supreme Court.

Pryor has just selected his next crop of law clerks, including Crystal Clanton of the Antonin Scalia Law School at George Mason University, a development first reported by the legal website Above the Law.

Clanton, 26, is Pryor’s first clerk from Scalia, according to a list published by the school, but she is notable for another reason: racist comments she appears to have made years ago when working for the conservative youth group Turning Point USA.

“I hate black people. Like f--- them all … I hate blacks. End of story,” Clanton, then the group’s national field director, wrote in a text message to a fellow Turning Point employee unearthed by the New Yorker’s Jane Mayer in 2017. (Her version was unexpurgated.)

In an email to Mayer then, Clanton wrote, “I have no recollection of these messages and they do not reflect what I believe or who I am and the same was true when I was a teenager.” It’s not clear how old Clanton was when she wrote the text.

Clanton left Turning Point right after Mayer’s story appeared, and ended up working for conservative activist Ginni Thomas, wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, whom she had met while at Turning Point.

Pryor has sent on law clerks to every conservative justice except Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., and most of those have worked for Thomas, who over the years has selected an astonishing 13 Pryor clerks.

And this is the truly worrisome part of the Clanton story: that a sitting federal judge is credentialing someone with this kind of hateful statement in her background, and perhaps grooming her for a post that’s even more important, a Supreme Court clerkship.

It gives me no pleasure to focus on Clanton, who did not respond to requests for comment. I have daughters her age, one of whom happens to be in law school. We all do stupid things when we are young, and some of us do terrible things. We should allow some space for repentance and forgiveness.

But there is no evidence of repentance here, and her reported comments are astonishing in their savagery. This is not a case of a racial slur directed in anger at a single individual — not that such conduct would be in any way acceptable. This is even worse: animus expressed toward an entire race.

Nor was this an isolated outburst. The year after the New Yorker story, the website Mediaite, reporting on Clanton’s hiring by Ginni Thomas, described a Snapchat message featuring “a photo of a man who appears to be Arab and a caption written by Clanton that reads, ‘Just thinking about ways to do another 9/11.’”

Someone who writes such things would not be hired in my private-sector workplace or most others, unless I miss my guess. Moreover, judicial clerkships are federal positions, paid for by taxpayer dollars, where dispensing equal justice under the law is job one.

And federal judges are called on to interpret and enforce the law impartially. Ask yourself: How do Black litigants — or Black lawyers — with cases before Pryor have confidence of a fair ruling in their cases with a clerk with Clanton’s record waiting in chambers? How do litigants in employment discrimination or voting rights cases have confidence that they will be treated equally in his court?

Indeed, there is a reasonable question about whether someone who has expressed these views and not apologized should be admitted to law school, let alone the bar; after all, state bars generally require evidence of good moral character.

In Virginia, where Clanton attends law school, that includes any “conduct that reflects adversely upon the character or fitness of an applicant,” although in making that assessment bar officials take into account the applicant’s age at the time of the conduct and “evidence of rehabilitation.”

Did Pryor know of Clanton’s texts before he hired her? Do her comments concern him? If not, why not? I put those questions to Pryor by email. I haven’t heard back."

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:49 am
The only lowlife thing I've seen, otherwise think you are a kind and decent thing in the real world is trying to shame me by outing a private conversation where I shared to empathize with your situation and you used it as some tool to hurt, which only made you look bad, especially after going after MD for a lesser version of your offense.

I realize you're not saying this, but just to be clear (though repetitive), I didn't disclose anything disclosed in confidence about someone else other than the exact message that had been sent to me by a poster who apparently was seeking to insult and scream at me "privately" rather than publicly. Nothing in it was personal to him, other than the tone and tenor of his post itself.

I should have warned him not to do it again, making clear that I'd respond by publishing his PM if he did so.

But I was fed up with someone seeking to intimidate me. I since apologized for that action.

Most of our interactions since have been far more civil. We don't have to agree on everything, but civility goes along way to actually being able to hear and learn from one another. Tough to maintain sometimes, for all of us.

cradle was indeed one who ripped me for publishing a PM...and I agree that his disclosure of something you had actually shared in confidence was way, way out of bounds.

That said, I too think cradle is a fundamentally decent and kind human being, and I'm willing to cut him a ton of slack for getting worked up at times...as I hope he has at least some respect for me as well...