I think these are based on the supposed expert report and audit of the Dominion machines.
So these two suits can be brought to the SCOTUS because they have already been rejected by the various state supreme courts?
If I'm not mistaken (legal types help!), if the actual case hasn't been properly brought to the relevant state court, SCOTUS rejects out of hand. Needs to be same case, not new facts, new applicants, etc. If the case has proceeded through the state courts and lost, then they may appeal to SCOTUS but SCOTUS can deny certiorari...or accept, IF there's a Constitutional not factual question.
Are these the same cases, now being appealed, no new facts? Or an attempt to introduce new facts or arguments? New case?
I'd be interested in folks' opinions as to what recourse SCOTUS has if they get sufficiently fed up with the Kraken et al?
I think these are based on the supposed expert report and audit of the Dominion machines.
dude, yesterday, I pointed out that there IS roughly a billion dollar$, from the CARES act, to fund the election investigations. With direct links to the actual LAW and the parts that allocate the election, due to covid, funds. One billion dollars. Who is getting this money?
But separating from that, I'll take your question seriously. Are you suggesting that an audit of how CARES money has been spent would be important? I agree. Any malfeasance, nail'em.
As to purpose, the money was supposed to help the states with their infrastructure requirements to prevent election interference, foreign or domestic. According to the Trump appointed head of the federal agency with oversight of that effort, the election was "the safest in American history" and there was no widespread or systematic fraud, foreign or domestic...and for that he was fired by Trump...
It was not intended to support endless investigations of baseless claims.
But I quite agree that an awful lot of money was sloshing around, so tracking whether money was spent as intended is good for 'clean' government.
Just to be clear, anyone that dies from covid19 , from February 2021 on.........is 100% Joe Bidens fault?
~ ABV
If they were infected during the tRUMP regime, blame goes to Demented Donnie.
ABV going in on old Joe already....
nope, just prepping, mentally, for the boring of switching stoopid taaats roles. you know, YOU defending Biden, no matter what, cradle, youth, creepy semen reference, old salty, etc, will be blaming Biden for covid deaths, no different than the lunacy of what docB, brooklyn, matnum and others claim, currently. Day one, called tRump out on his fiscal lies.......no one cared. You were entertained, by "important" stuff.
carry on.
Like I said before, so long as he doesn’t act a fool, I don’t care what he does and you are not going to here a criticism from me.... have at it sport....you ain’t gonna hear, “I can’t stand Joe but.....” hundreds of times.
Good morning fine citizens of these great united states of America..... The 45th President of The United States of America is hard at work this morning keeping us safe from people who wish to do us harm....
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:47 am
Good morning fine citizens of these great united states of America..... The 45th President of The United States of America is hard at work this morning keeping us safe from people who wish to do us harm....
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:47 am
Good morning fine citizens of these great united states of America..... The 45th President of The United States of America is hard at work this morning keeping us safe from people who wish to do us harm....
I need to take a shower after clicking on this......another twatter poster.
Just sad. I don't follow Joe, should I?
I don’t follow any politicians. A couple of musicians (Boston guy in particular that I hope to meet up with at Wally’s when the coast is clear), some lax stuff, finance sites and a couple of scientists). I had never looked at Trump’s feed until a few weeks ago....the entertainment value was so high and so ridiculous I could not believe it. I don’t read the threads....just his posts. I take a look in the morning and then at night. That’s the guy YOU CHOOSE to defend. You are going to miss him....maybe he will invite you on to his boat. No masks of course! Enjoy!!
PS. You may have been in the penalty box when I mentioned my discovery so you may have missed it, but yap on.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:47 am
Good morning fine citizens of these great united states of America..... The 45th President of The United States of America is hard at work this morning keeping us safe from people who wish to do us harm....
I need to take a shower after clicking on this......another twatter poster.
Just sad. I don't follow Joe, should I?
I don’t follow any politicians. A couple of musicians (Boston guy in particular that I hope to meet up with at Wally’s when the coast is clear), some lax stuff, finance sites and a couple of scientists). I had never looked at Trump’s feed until a few weeks ago....the entertainment value was so high and so ridiculous I could not believe it. I don’t read the threads....just his posts. I take a look in the morning and then at night. That’s the guy YOU CHOOSE to defend. You are going to miss him....maybe he will invite you on to his boat. No masks of course! Enjoy!!
PS. You may have been in the penalty box when I mentioned my discovery so you may have missed it, but yap on.
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:47 am
Good morning fine citizens of these great united states of America..... The 45th President of The United States of America is hard at work this morning keeping us safe from people who wish to do us harm....
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:47 am
Good morning fine citizens of these great united states of America..... The 45th President of The United States of America is hard at work this morning keeping us safe from people who wish to do us harm....
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:47 am
Good morning fine citizens of these great united states of America..... The 45th President of The United States of America is hard at work this morning keeping us safe from people who wish to do us harm....
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:47 am
Good morning fine citizens of these great united states of America..... The 45th President of The United States of America is hard at work this morning keeping us safe from people who wish to do us harm....
The more time trump spends on the links the better off America will be.
I wonder who he blames if he drops his ball in a water hazard? That the Democrats fault too?
You know when I looked at his account....I offered a challenge....any adult that supports him, should read 10 of his tweets aloud to a 12 year old and then explain to them that he is the guy they support.... if no children read it in front of the mirror and then tell yourself that is the guy you support....show me a person that isn’t embarrassed and I will show you what is likely to be an idiot.
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:13 pm
But she could’ve made any number of decisions that would’ve led to similar numbers as well.
Unlikely, given comparison countries like Germany.
The problem in the US would have been that not having Trump in charge would not have eliminated the trumpistas, who likely would still have been bleating out virus from their maskless pie-holes.
But I think a death rate twice Germany's (rather that four times, as under Trump) would have been entirely achievable.
What about the part later on in my comment where I said that I believe she (or anyone else) would likely have done much better by not prioritizing certain things Trump did and afford it the appropriate focus and dedication it should’ve have gotten from day 1?
But, to state, as a certainty that the number would’ve been lower is impossible to support. Probability wise, I’d lay odds at the outcome quantitatively was similar under her at something like 5-10%, off the cuff.
I also agree with you that Doc’s comments come from some personal hatred. It’s pretty much impossible at this point to defend the position that Trump did a good job managing and overseeing a response to Covid. And easy to believe that a better set of choices, decisions and actions would have produced a lower mortality total, by how much who knows, but let’s just start at min 15-20% better (so if we’re at like 250k now that means 35-50k less deaths).
Lastly attributing the actions of trump suckers to trump as if he’s conditioned them is wrong in my opinion. He is just a nasty accelerant. They would’ve resisted the mandates and recommendations of a Hillary led effort 14x as much no doubt.
If you’re suggesting that I hate Donald Trump ...
... you’re probably correct.
He’s a vile, malignant, racist, bigoted, authoritarian, misogynistic, narcissistic piece of trash. His actions and inactions have killed a quarter million Americans (not my number ... see the Columbia University study I cited). He has tried to subvert American democracy. Trump made white supremacy acceptable. He has separated hundreds of young migrant children from their families. His administration is easily the most corrupt in American history.
Trump is quite simply the worst human being to have ever occupied the Oval Office.
Is Trump a worthy subject of hate?
Hard to say anyone is worthy of hate ... but Trump is more worthy of revulsion and spite than any other president in American history.
DocBarrister
No I wasn’t suggesting that, though if you did it wouldn’t surprise me and it wouldn’t move me at all (always disappointing when anyone, myself including, gets to the point of felling hatred towards anyone as a generality, but it happens unfortunately for a plethora of reasons).
I was responding to CU where I was making the simple case that any absolute claim on certainty of an outcome in an alternative scenario and so of course you’re using hyperbole, in a previous comment where Mr Minnesota has gotten so upset with you. But later on in the comment I said I believed that Hillary or any other leader would’ve produced a better outcome with the degree of improvement to be debated.
For me, I knew Trump was a gross fraud from my days in the CMBS and CRE CDO businesses around many people who did business with him in the past and shared his many failures and related stories in those years (among other major and prominent CRE owners/investors, Trump was actually down the list a good bit but usually when discussing the bank lender blacklists that we’re created for a while in the end of the 80s and early 90s due to a host of cowboy investors around NYC defaulting and doing crazy stuff where Trumps names comes up after Macklowe and a few others). Many greater NYC area people like him but most know who he really is and he was never as big as his public persona portrayed. What I didn’t realize until he became president how dirty he could be as a human being to try to scrape any advantage for himself personally. extend and perpetuate whatever lie he’s caught in at the moment, sell out this country in every way imaginable for a buck like a true huckster no different than an old fashioned pick pocket or simple con man in a small town with no allegiance to anything or anyone else.
So I don’t hate him I’m just disgusted and tired of this sh*t and hoping we, really the political class at large but especially my group, bottom out soon and start to rebuild while we flip generationally and avoid giving our hegemony over to anyone else by eating our own.
Estimating outcomes in “alternative scenarios” is precisely what much of the science of epidemiology does.
For example, how many person-years of life would have been saved if you had reduced smoking by 10% between 1980 and 1985? Epidemiologists can estimate that.
It’s challenging to estimate how many lives would have been saved if Trump had initiated serious pandemic mitigation measures six weeks earlier and more consistently advocated mask wearing, etc., but it’s hardly impossible. That’s what epidemiologists do. In fact, that has already been done.
There’s an entire field devoted to estimating health outcomes with “alternative scenarios.” That is epidemiology, and that’s why we have epidemiologists.
DocBarrister
Yes and as a devotee to the empirical skepticism line of thinking I would counter that while these “data scientists” can create elegant mathematical models and produce “model validated” (which is simply an affirmation of the methodologies, not the value of the input variables and weighting however) output to be published, but it always underestimated the Rho, or error, in the model.
This where where I point out how Nietzsche was pointing to exactly this problem when he stated that god is dead in that he meant that this post modern reason/thinking/metaphysical analysis Isn’t necessarily superior to religious type beliefs but simply has replaced them as a belief with conviction disconnected to the understanding that a final answer has never been solved and that science is softer than many folks think in its evolving and chaotic nature.
The Harvard School of Public Health actually required a philosophy course when I attended. There is a place for philosophy in science.
However, if you are trying to cast doubt on modern epidemiological methods ... don’t. The science and methodology are solid, fine tuned by over a century of work. Certainly, the epidemiologists have been more accurate and insightful during this pandemic than the politicians and ideologues.
DocBarrister
Well when you tell me to not express skepticism at all towards science, as in “dont”, we tend to diverge but that’s ok. I’m not religious either, so don’t get me confused with some folks. I would only suggest you consider the concept of Iatrogenics a little more when insisting that modern reasoning is “god” which is what you do when you tell me that epidemiologists have some degree of history (100yrs out of how many thousands of human history?) and validated methodology is all.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
my point: for every message i hear about wearing proper masks, wearing them properly... i (and everyone else) hears 50? 100 times? "masks".
and what did i hear from these boards alone in discussing this: "troll". you remember that, 77, right?
As usual, I have no idea what you're talking about.
I have seen MANY news shows, media articles, etc etc etc, explaining the proper way to wear masks, and that they should be (at minimum) two layers. And the official CDC guidance is easy to find. i didn't see any in the general consumption media until around late september or later on better masks. or if i had, it was very rare and drowned out by the general message. i posted about it after finally seeing a segment on the telly. by then, i had heard the term "wear a mask" maybe 1000s or 10s of thousands of times. and it has run at a huge ratio since. again, that was what i was trying to get across.
Also, I don't believe I ever called you, or anyone else, a "troll". so correction, you identified it as the action you perceived, which is obviously better. and not related to masks, that was someone else. yours was on the subject of testing with the inference that there was more trolling elsewhere. it's all good.
Also, you often post in enigmatic half-sentences that I find hard to understand. yeah, i've been told. work in progress. hasn't gone anywhere yet.
Actually you were quite clear and thorough just a little while ago on the virus thread re your concern about what's been communicated about masks...much appreciated.
Still wish you'd capitalize between sentences, but it wasn't that hard to figure out.
American people, The President of The United States of America has spent his day hard at work for you. Despite losing the election, the health and welfare of the people and the republic are first and foremost in his mind....he has spent his day, working for you:
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:47 am
Good morning fine citizens of these great united states of America..... The 45th President of The United States of America is hard at work this morning keeping us safe from people who wish to do us harm....
The more time trump spends on the links the better off America will be.
I wonder who he blames if he drops his ball in a water hazard? That the Democrats fault too?
You know when I looked at his account....I offered a challenge....any adult that supports him, should read 10 of his tweets aloud to a 12 year old and then explain to them that he is the guy they support.... if no children read it in front of the mirror and then tell yourself that is the guy you support....show me a person that isn’t embarrassed and I will show you what is likely to be an idiot.
This is just my opinion, if trump never tweeted his ignorant comments he probably would have been re elected. He is his own worst public relations nightmare.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
Bob Ross:
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:47 am
Good morning fine citizens of these great united states of America..... The 45th President of The United States of America is hard at work this morning keeping us safe from people who wish to do us harm....
The more time trump spends on the links the better off America will be.
I wonder who he blames if he drops his ball in a water hazard? That the Democrats fault too?
You know when I looked at his account....I offered a challenge....any adult that supports him, should read 10 of his tweets aloud to a 12 year old and then explain to them that he is the guy they support.... if no children read it in front of the mirror and then tell yourself that is the guy you support....show me a person that isn’t embarrassed and I will show you what is likely to be an idiot.
So obsessed.......so much so that you don't even realize it. Kind of like a few posters who seem to have phattylax voodoo dolls and follow each and every post. Guess being victims of the sunless finger lake region does something to the mental flames of life.....
How about this? NO......how about NOT having a twatter account, in the first place. What IS your excuse for reading Trumps tweets?
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:47 am
Good morning fine citizens of these great united states of America..... The 45th President of The United States of America is hard at work this morning keeping us safe from people who wish to do us harm....
The more time trump spends on the links the better off America will be.
I wonder who he blames if he drops his ball in a water hazard? That the Democrats fault too?
You know when I looked at his account....I offered a challenge....any adult that supports him, should read 10 of his tweets aloud to a 12 year old and then explain to them that he is the guy they support.... if no children read it in front of the mirror and then tell yourself that is the guy you support....show me a person that isn’t embarrassed and I will show you what is likely to be an idiot.
So obsessed.......so much so that you don't even realize it. Kind of like a few posters who seem to have phattylax voodoo dolls and follow each and every post. Guess being victims of the sunless finger lake region does something to the mental flames of life.....
How about this? NO......how about NOT having a twatter account, in the first place. What IS your excuse for reading Trumps tweets?
Sen. Angus King on CNN: "Those who claim that there are irregularities or fraud or whatever it is have never shown any evidence of it ... Why do they believe that? Because they're being told it daily — particularly by the president."
