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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:56 pm
by Peter Brown
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:44 pm Hmm. Is somebody watching Mark Levin?

Even Trump has given up on HCQ.

Where is the “that ship has sailed” emoji?


Are you saying this doctor/scientist with 300 peer reviewed studies is incorrect?

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:01 pm
by njbill
Yes.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:24 pm
by Peter Brown
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:01 pmYes.


Party before science, I guess.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:34 pm
by Brooklyn
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:56 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:44 pm Hmm. Is somebody watching Mark Levin?

Even Trump has given up on HCQ.

Where is the “that ship has sailed” emoji?


Are you saying this doctor/scientist with 300 peer reviewed studies is incorrect?



It may possibly arrest the spread of or possibly kill the virus in a few cases. But that does not mean it does not have severe side effects. This medicine has been shown to accelerate the heart beat with reported fatal consequences. That is why it has not been widely prescribed anywhere. By the way, the FDA which is under tRUMP's control has advised against it. Therefore, blaming Democrats for not using it is once again a sure sign of right wing stupidity.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:41 pm
by a fan
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:24 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:01 pmYes.
Party before science, I guess.
Yes, and in this case, direct all complaints to Dr. Fauci. He's the head fred, and is responsible for all medical advice on this virus.

So if you don't like what we're doing? Complain to him.

But you won't do that, because he's part of a Republican Administration...and we can't have that, right, Pete?

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:48 pm
by wgdsr
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:34 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:56 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:44 pm Hmm. Is somebody watching Mark Levin?

Even Trump has given up on HCQ.

Where is the “that ship has sailed” emoji?
Are you saying this doctor/scientist with 300 peer reviewed studies is incorrect?
It may possibly arrest the spread of or possibly kill the virus in a few cases. But that does not mean it does not have severe side effects. This medicine has been shown to accelerate the heart beat with reported fatal consequences. That is why it has not been widely prescribed anywhere. By the way, the FDA which is under tRUMP's control has advised against it. Therefore, blaming Democrats for not using it is once again a sure sign of right wing stupidity.
it's actually widely prescribed lots of places.
if you can find a study using recommended dosing that shows severe side effects, i'd like to see it.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:52 pm
by njbill
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:24 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:01 pmYes.


Party before science, I guess.
I believe Donald Trump. If he is no longer talking about it, and he hasn’t for a couple of months now, then it must be no good. Even our resident HCQ advocate hasn’t touted it in quite some time. (Oops, he just proved me wrong. :lol: )

I was watching the same show as you. Honest to God, I had to check the date to see if it was a rerun from May.

What is the ratio on HCQ reports now, about 9-1 against?

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:55 pm
by wgdsr
in other news, all youse guys that thought you'd wait on the guinea pigs, buckle up!
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... -residents

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:56 pm
by Brooklyn
wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:48 pm it's actually widely prescribed lots of places.
if you can find a study using recommended dosing that shows severe side effects, i'd like to see it.

click google for links to FDA

https://www.google.com/search?q=FDA+rul ... e&ie=UTF-8

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:58 pm
by wgdsr
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:52 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:24 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:01 pmYes.


Party before science, I guess.
I believe Donald Trump. If he is no longer talking about it, and he hasn’t for a couple of months now, then it must be no good. Even our resident HCQ advocate hasn’t touted it in quite some time. (Oops, he just proved me wrong. :lol: )

I was watching the same show as you. Honest to God, I had to check the date to see if it was a rerun from May.

What is the ratio on HCQ reports now, about 9-1 against?
nah, it's not that bad:

https://c19study.com/

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:59 pm
by wgdsr
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:56 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:48 pm it's actually widely prescribed lots of places.
if you can find a study using recommended dosing that shows severe side effects, i'd like to see it.

click google for links to FDA
no, that's ok. just link me one.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:04 pm
by Brooklyn
wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:59 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:56 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:48 pm it's actually widely prescribed lots of places.
if you can find a study using recommended dosing that shows severe side effects, i'd like to see it.

click google for links to FDA
no, that's ok. just link me one.

ah, you replied before I put the link on

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:10 pm
by wgdsr
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:04 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:59 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:56 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:48 pm it's actually widely prescribed lots of places.
if you can find a study using recommended dosing that shows severe side effects, i'd like to see it.

click google for links to FDA
no, that's ok. just link me one.
ah, you replied before I put the link on
brooklyn... i don't think you'll find one but i'll be happy to be informed if there is one. your link did not provide any.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:11 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:58 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:52 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:24 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:01 pmYes.


Party before science, I guess.
I believe Donald Trump. If he is no longer talking about it, and he hasn’t for a couple of months now, then it must be no good. Even our resident HCQ advocate hasn’t touted it in quite some time. (Oops, he just proved me wrong. :lol: )

I was watching the same show as you. Honest to God, I had to check the date to see if it was a rerun from May.

What is the ratio on HCQ reports now, about 9-1 against?
nah, it's not that bad:

https://c19study.com/
Where is the “game changer” category? ;)

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:13 pm
by wgdsr
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:11 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:58 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:52 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:24 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:01 pmYes.


Party before science, I guess.
I believe Donald Trump. If he is no longer talking about it, and he hasn’t for a couple of months now, then it must be no good. Even our resident HCQ advocate hasn’t touted it in quite some time. (Oops, he just proved me wrong. :lol: )

I was watching the same show as you. Honest to God, I had to check the date to see if it was a rerun from May.

What is the ratio on HCQ reports now, about 9-1 against?
nah, it's not that bad:

https://c19study.com/
Where is the “game changer” category? ;)
take it. whaddaya got to lose? take it.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:13 pm
by njbill
wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:58 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:52 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:24 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:01 pmYes.


Party before science, I guess.
I believe Donald Trump. If he is no longer talking about it, and he hasn’t for a couple of months now, then it must be no good. Even our resident HCQ advocate hasn’t touted it in quite some time. (Oops, he just proved me wrong. :lol: )

I was watching the same show as you. Honest to God, I had to check the date to see if it was a rerun from May.

What is the ratio on HCQ reports now, about 9-1 against?
nah, it's not that bad:

https://c19study.com/
I just pulled that ratio out of my rear end, as I suspect you understand. Nevertheless, the overwhelming scientific consensus at this point is that the drug doesn’t work on the coronavirus to any important degree.

I’m actually not one of those who overly emphasizes the side effects. All drugs have side effects. Heart problems have long been known to be a possible adverse side effect of HCQ. The reported percentage is low, however. As with all drugs, the doctor has to decide whether to prescribe the medication after balancing the pros and cons for the particular patient.

I went to Bolivia about five years ago and was advised to take an anti-malarial drug. HCQ was one of the ones discussed. It was suggested to me that I take a more modern malaria drug because HCQ had side effects. Don’t remember them mentioning heart problems. What I remember is they said the drug could cause hallucinations. So I didn’t take it. I went with a more modern drug.

So, for me, the bottom line for HCQ is that, while its known side effects probably are rare enough as to not to be of significant concern, the drug doesn’t work. I have no interest in taking a drug that doesn’t work.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:15 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:13 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:11 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:58 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:52 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:24 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:01 pmYes.


Party before science, I guess.
I believe Donald Trump. If he is no longer talking about it, and he hasn’t for a couple of months now, then it must be no good. Even our resident HCQ advocate hasn’t touted it in quite some time. (Oops, he just proved me wrong. :lol: )

I was watching the same show as you. Honest to God, I had to check the date to see if it was a rerun from May.

What is the ratio on HCQ reports now, about 9-1 against?
nah, it's not that bad:

https://c19study.com/
Where is the “game changer” category? ;)
take it. whaddaya got to lose? take it.
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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:20 pm
by wgdsr
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:13 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:58 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:52 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:24 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:01 pmYes.


Party before science, I guess.
I believe Donald Trump. If he is no longer talking about it, and he hasn’t for a couple of months now, then it must be no good. Even our resident HCQ advocate hasn’t touted it in quite some time. (Oops, he just proved me wrong. :lol: )

I was watching the same show as you. Honest to God, I had to check the date to see if it was a rerun from May.

What is the ratio on HCQ reports now, about 9-1 against?
nah, it's not that bad:

https://c19study.com/
I just pulled that ratio out of my rear end, as I suspect you understand. Nevertheless, the overwhelming scientific consensus at this point is that the drug doesn’t work on the coronavirus to any important degree.

I’m actually not one of those who overly emphasizes the side effects. All drugs have side effects. Heart problems have long been known to be a possible adverse side effect of HCQ. The reported percentage is low, however. As with all drugs, the doctor has to decide whether to prescribe the medication after balancing the pros and cons for the particular patient.

I went to Bolivia about five years ago and was advised to take an anti-malarial drug. HCQ was one of the ones discussed. It was suggested to me that I take a more modern malaria drug because HCQ had side effects. Don’t remember them mentioning heart problems. What I remember is they said the drug could cause hallucinations. So I didn’t take it. I went with a more modern drug.

So, for me, the bottom line for HCQ is that, while its known side effects probably are rare enough as to not to be of significant concern, the drug doesn’t work. I have no interest in taking a drug that doesn’t work.
i hear ya. i'd like to see some early treatment and prophylaxis trials, but that may come after the pandemic.

i never took you for a woodstock or haight ashbury guy!

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:24 pm
by njbill
:lol:

When I took my daughter to San Francisco years ago, we took a picture at the corner of Haight and Ashbury with the street sign in the background. Can’t find it unfortunately.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:27 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:13 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:58 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:52 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:24 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:01 pmYes.


Party before science, I guess.
I believe Donald Trump. If he is no longer talking about it, and he hasn’t for a couple of months now, then it must be no good. Even our resident HCQ advocate hasn’t touted it in quite some time. (Oops, he just proved me wrong. :lol: )

I was watching the same show as you. Honest to God, I had to check the date to see if it was a rerun from May.

What is the ratio on HCQ reports now, about 9-1 against?
nah, it's not that bad:

https://c19study.com/
I just pulled that ratio out of my rear end, as I suspect you understand. Nevertheless, the overwhelming scientific consensus at this point is that the drug doesn’t work on the coronavirus to any important degree.

I’m actually not one of those who overly emphasizes the side effects. All drugs have side effects. Heart problems have long been known to be a possible adverse side effect of HCQ. The reported percentage is low, however. As with all drugs, the doctor has to decide whether to prescribe the medication after balancing the pros and cons for the particular patient.

I went to Bolivia about five years ago and was advised to take an anti-malarial drug. HCQ was one of the ones discussed. It was suggested to me that I take a more modern malaria drug because HCQ had side effects. Don’t remember them mentioning heart problems. What I remember is they said the drug could cause hallucinations. So I didn’t take it. I went with a more modern drug.

So, for me, the bottom line for HCQ is that, while its known side effects probably are rare enough as to not to be of significant concern, the drug doesn’t work. I have no interest in taking a drug that doesn’t work.