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Trinity wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:33 am Newt Gingrich, Feb 27: "The city of San Francisco, in its usual irresponsible way, has already declared an emergency..."

Newt Gingrich, today: "Faced with a pandemic threat, history teaches us it is far better to be over prepared than underprepared."

And at last the blind did see....

6ftstick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:23 am So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

Trinity wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:13 pm VA says it is tracking 30 veterans who have tested positive, or presumptively positive, for #COVID19.
VA still says it has administered 100 tests -- unchanged since last week. We have 9 million veterans.
1 veteran so far has died because of the virus.



FYI: Gen Stanley McChrystal dropped by Rachel Maddow tonight to talk about leadership.

Bart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:35 am

6ftstick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:23 am So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

Bart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:35 am

6ftstick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:23 am So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

Trinity wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:51 am Months of mocking science didn’t work so now it’s serious.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:30 am

Bart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:35 am

6ftstick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:23 am So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

We also need to look behind the curtain.

As I mentioned last week in a post, on good authority, from a contact at the pentagon, the end plan is to lock us all down. That can not be done by merely flipping a light switch, without unintended consequences that would result in immediate mass hysteria.

There is certainly a MOP (Method of Procedure) in place for things like this, they are IMO, slow rolling the shutdown/lockdown, in an attempt to buy time to see/measure how incremental changes are occurring, and to be certain families are stocking for much worse than currently happening.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:51 am

Trinity wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:51 am Months of mocking science didn’t work so now it’s serious.

If the scientists don't know the answers, dont try and dazzle us all with sheepdip. All they have to do is admit they dont know what they dont know. I have actually heard some docs on TV admit just that. There is much they dont know. They are working to understand what they are dealing with.

Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:55 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:30 am

Bart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:35 am

6ftstick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:23 am So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

We also need to look behind the curtain.

As I mentioned last week in a post, on good authority, from a contact at the pentagon, the end plan is to lock us all down. That can not be done by merely flipping a light switch, without unintended consequences that would result in immediate mass hysteria.

There is certainly a MOP (Method of Procedure) in place for things like this, they are IMO, slow rolling the shutdown/lockdown, in an attempt to buy time to see/measure how incremental changes are occurring, and to be certain families are stocking for much worse than currently happening.

How would they enforce a nationwide lockdown which I would assume would be similar to what Italy, France and Spain are now doing?

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:51 am

Trinity wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:51 am Months of mocking science didn’t work so now it’s serious.

If the scientists don't know the answers, dont try and dazzle us all with sheepdip. All they have to do is admit they dont know what they dont know. I have actually heard some docs on TV admit just that. There is much they dont know. They are working to understand what they are dealing with.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:51 am

Trinity wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:51 am Months of mocking science didn’t work so now it’s serious.

If the scientists don't know the answers, dont try and dazzle us all with sheepdip. All they have to do is admit they dont know what they dont know. I have actually heard some docs on TV admit just that. There is much they dont know. They are working to understand what they are dealing with.

Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:55 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:30 am

Bart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:35 am

6ftstick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:23 am So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

We also need to look behind the curtain.

As I mentioned last week in a post, on good authority, from a contact at the pentagon, the end plan is to lock us all down. That can not be done by merely flipping a light switch, without unintended consequences that would result in immediate mass hysteria.

There is certainly a MOP (Method of Procedure) in place for things like this, they are IMO, slow rolling the shutdown/lockdown, in an attempt to buy time to see/measure how incremental changes are occurring, and to be certain families are stocking for much worse than currently happening.

How would they enforce a nationwide lockdown which I would assume would be similar to what Italy, France and Spain are now doing?

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:30 am

Bart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:35 am

6ftstick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:23 am So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

We also need to look behind the curtain.

As I mentioned last week in a post, on good authority, from a contact at the pentagon, the end plan is to lock us all down. That can not be done by merely flipping a light switch, without unintended consequences that would result in immediate mass hysteria.

There is certainly a MOP (Method of Procedure) in place for things like this, they are IMO, slow rolling the shutdown/lockdown, in an attempt to buy time to see/measure how incremental changes are occurring, and to be certain families are stocking for much worse than currently happening.

Bart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:24 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:30 am

Bart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:35 am

6ftstick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:23 am So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

We also need to look behind the curtain.

As I mentioned last week in a post, on good authority, from a contact at the pentagon, the end plan is to lock us all down. That can not be done by merely flipping a light switch, without unintended consequences that would result in immediate mass hysteria.

There is certainly a MOP (Method of Procedure) in place for things like this, they are IMO, slow rolling the shutdown/lockdown, in an attempt to buy time to see/measure how incremental changes are occurring, and to be certain families are stocking for much worse than currently happening.

If this is the case (red line), then how do you roll out the message in a proper way? I still feel there are lots of people who believe this is not a problem at all, there are still Governors who are not embracing social distancing. Look at the FLa beaches right now. We have been told to just get enough for a week.......... The shock of the change in message abruptly, IMO, will lead to the mass hysteria you indicate in your first paragraph.

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:04 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:51 am

Trinity wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:51 am Months of mocking science didn’t work so now it’s serious.

If the scientists don't know the answers, dont try and dazzle us all with sheepdip. All they have to do is admit they dont know what they dont know. I have actually heard some docs on TV admit just that. There is much they dont know. They are working to understand what they are dealing with.

They did not know some of the specifics for this particular virus, because it was the first time it had been seen. But they _had_ seen other epidemics/pandemics before, and did absolutely know the deep kind of situation we could end up at - and how it could be modified early in its impact by restrictions on movement and social distancing. And the knowledge about the particulars of the virus actually came with extreme speed due to the level of technology the world is capable of these days.

It is NOT sheepdip. It was willful ignorance of expertise quite consistent with prior behavior. They think that they can put out their own fake news and change the reality, but in fact here they cannot.