Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:51 am
Entrepreneurship...kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:47 am Haunted houses in the age of Corona:
https://apnews.com/87b6ed800cc198915fee0ed91b5d9da7
Entrepreneurship...kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:47 am Haunted houses in the age of Corona:
https://apnews.com/87b6ed800cc198915fee0ed91b5d9da7
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:33 amEffective however the clinicians define it. Do you know how the flu vaccine works? There is already a Russian vaccine out. You may be able to get it.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:21 amTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:07 amNo vaccine has ever been released that was not clinically safe and effective. If so which vaccines?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:56 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:49 amA known to be safe and effective vaccine?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:41 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:38 amThe "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:26 amCU88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:23 amYou are an idiot.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:20 amYou'll have your vaccine by October 15.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:02 amPretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:45 amSweden won...American libs lost.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:50 amnot really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.CU77 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:22 am*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:
https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden
Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?
sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.
And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.
https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/
Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.
Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...
CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!
But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.
The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!
But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.
I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.
"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.
You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.
Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.
now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"
If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.
No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:
https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html
The flu vaccine is between 40-60% "effective". Is that "effective" in your books?
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:34 amsheesh, I was talking about Sweden and it's strategy potentially looking better if an effective vaccine doesn't get disseminated until a year from now, and you make the outrageous claim that we'll have a vaccine by October 15...heck, you might as well have said that the Russians already have a vaccine.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:56 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:49 amA known to be safe and effective vaccine?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:41 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:38 amThe "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:26 amCU88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:23 amYou are an idiot.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:20 amYou'll have your vaccine by October 15.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:02 amPretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:45 amSweden won...American libs lost.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:50 amnot really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.CU77 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:22 am*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:
https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden
Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?
sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.
And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.
https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/
Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.
Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...
CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!
But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.
The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!
But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.
I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.
"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.
You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.
Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.
now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"
If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.
No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:
https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html
That ain't the point...if a vaccine doesn't get disseminated that actually works, or folks can't be convinced that it's both effective and SAFE, then the virus will continue to plague us, altering our behaviors for a long time.
There's ZERO chance that we'll have a widely disseminated vaccine proven to be both safe and effective by October 15. We can hope and pray that one of these vaccines proves to work and be safe, and that it gets distributed swiftly, but that remains to be proven. In any case, we're looking at sometime in 2021 before it begins to be widely distributed, and even then the massive #'s needed to be vaccinated are going to be an enormous challenge and it will take many months, not weeks, to accomplish this.
Unfortunately, while I think the #'s of vaccines in process is reassuring, there's also a very real chance that the initial set of vaccines will prove to be insufficiently effective, or for such limited periods of immunity, or insufficiently safe as to be the answer we need. That said, there are other tests coming on their heels, so the # of chances is working the right way!
Things have to be getting better. The MSM has dropped the daily new case count and death toll narrative.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:03 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:34 amsheesh, I was talking about Sweden and it's strategy potentially looking better if an effective vaccine doesn't get disseminated until a year from now, and you make the outrageous claim that we'll have a vaccine by October 15...heck, you might as well have said that the Russians already have a vaccine.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:56 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:49 amA known to be safe and effective vaccine?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:41 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:38 amThe "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:26 amCU88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:23 amYou are an idiot.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:20 amYou'll have your vaccine by October 15.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:02 amPretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:45 amSweden won...American libs lost.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:50 amnot really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.CU77 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:22 am*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:
https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden
Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?
sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.
And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.
https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/
Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.
Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...
CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!
But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.
The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!
But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.
I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.
"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.
You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.
Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.
now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"
If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.
No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:
https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html
That ain't the point...if a vaccine doesn't get disseminated that actually works, or folks can't be convinced that it's both effective and SAFE, then the virus will continue to plague us, altering our behaviors for a long time.
There's ZERO chance that we'll have a widely disseminated vaccine proven to be both safe and effective by October 15. We can hope and pray that one of these vaccines proves to work and be safe, and that it gets distributed swiftly, but that remains to be proven. In any case, we're looking at sometime in 2021 before it begins to be widely distributed, and even then the massive #'s needed to be vaccinated are going to be an enormous challenge and it will take many months, not weeks, to accomplish this.
Unfortunately, while I think the #'s of vaccines in process is reassuring, there's also a very real chance that the initial set of vaccines will prove to be insufficiently effective, or for such limited periods of immunity, or insufficiently safe as to be the answer we need. That said, there are other tests coming on their heels, so the # of chances is working the right way!
relax Francis....you'll have options by October 15. In the meantime, Florida continues its good news:
https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/08/ ... s-to-fall/
FL Positivity Rate.jpg
Good trend line and lets hope and pray it continues.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:03 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:34 amsheesh, I was talking about Sweden and it's strategy potentially looking better if an effective vaccine doesn't get disseminated until a year from now, and you make the outrageous claim that we'll have a vaccine by October 15...heck, you might as well have said that the Russians already have a vaccine.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:56 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:49 amA known to be safe and effective vaccine?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:41 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:38 amThe "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:26 amCU88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:23 amYou are an idiot.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:20 amYou'll have your vaccine by October 15.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:02 amPretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:45 amSweden won...American libs lost.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:50 amnot really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.CU77 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:22 am*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:
https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden
Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?
sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.
And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.
https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/
Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.
Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...
CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!
But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.
The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!
But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.
I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.
"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.
You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.
Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.
now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"
If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.
No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:
https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html
That ain't the point...if a vaccine doesn't get disseminated that actually works, or folks can't be convinced that it's both effective and SAFE, then the virus will continue to plague us, altering our behaviors for a long time.
There's ZERO chance that we'll have a widely disseminated vaccine proven to be both safe and effective by October 15. We can hope and pray that one of these vaccines proves to work and be safe, and that it gets distributed swiftly, but that remains to be proven. In any case, we're looking at sometime in 2021 before it begins to be widely distributed, and even then the massive #'s needed to be vaccinated are going to be an enormous challenge and it will take many months, not weeks, to accomplish this.
Unfortunately, while I think the #'s of vaccines in process is reassuring, there's also a very real chance that the initial set of vaccines will prove to be insufficiently effective, or for such limited periods of immunity, or insufficiently safe as to be the answer we need. That said, there are other tests coming on their heels, so the # of chances is working the right way!
relax Francis....you'll have options by October 15. In the meantime, Florida continues its good news:
https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/08/ ... s-to-fall/
FL Positivity Rate.jpg
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:05 amThings have to be getting better. The MSM has dropped the daily new case count and death toll narrative.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:03 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:34 amsheesh, I was talking about Sweden and it's strategy potentially looking better if an effective vaccine doesn't get disseminated until a year from now, and you make the outrageous claim that we'll have a vaccine by October 15...heck, you might as well have said that the Russians already have a vaccine.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:56 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:49 amA known to be safe and effective vaccine?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:41 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:38 amThe "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:26 amCU88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:23 amYou are an idiot.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:20 amYou'll have your vaccine by October 15.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:02 amPretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:45 amSweden won...American libs lost.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:50 amnot really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.CU77 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:22 am*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:
https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden
Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?
sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.
And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.
https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/
Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.
Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...
CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!
But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.
The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!
But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.
I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.
"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.
You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.
Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.
now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"
If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.
No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:
https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html
That ain't the point...if a vaccine doesn't get disseminated that actually works, or folks can't be convinced that it's both effective and SAFE, then the virus will continue to plague us, altering our behaviors for a long time.
There's ZERO chance that we'll have a widely disseminated vaccine proven to be both safe and effective by October 15. We can hope and pray that one of these vaccines proves to work and be safe, and that it gets distributed swiftly, but that remains to be proven. In any case, we're looking at sometime in 2021 before it begins to be widely distributed, and even then the massive #'s needed to be vaccinated are going to be an enormous challenge and it will take many months, not weeks, to accomplish this.
Unfortunately, while I think the #'s of vaccines in process is reassuring, there's also a very real chance that the initial set of vaccines will prove to be insufficiently effective, or for such limited periods of immunity, or insufficiently safe as to be the answer we need. That said, there are other tests coming on their heels, so the # of chances is working the right way!
relax Francis....you'll have options by October 15. In the meantime, Florida continues its good news:
https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/08/ ... s-to-fall/
FL Positivity Rate.jpg
The only people counting are gait and CU88
You are a true whackadoodle, PB...you seemed to have a moment of clarity yesterday AM when you said "Trump is a moron", but here you go again saying truly dumb things.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:28 am6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:05 amThings have to be getting better. The MSM has dropped the daily new case count and death toll narrative.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:03 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:34 amsheesh, I was talking about Sweden and it's strategy potentially looking better if an effective vaccine doesn't get disseminated until a year from now, and you make the outrageous claim that we'll have a vaccine by October 15...heck, you might as well have said that the Russians already have a vaccine.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:56 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:49 amA known to be safe and effective vaccine?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:41 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:38 amThe "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:26 amCU88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:23 amYou are an idiot.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:20 amYou'll have your vaccine by October 15.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:02 amPretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:45 amSweden won...American libs lost.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:50 amnot really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.CU77 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:22 am*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:
https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden
Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?
sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.
And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.
https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/
Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.
Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...
CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!
But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.
The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!
But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.
I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.
"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.
You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.
Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.
now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"
If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.
No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:
https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html
That ain't the point...if a vaccine doesn't get disseminated that actually works, or folks can't be convinced that it's both effective and SAFE, then the virus will continue to plague us, altering our behaviors for a long time.
There's ZERO chance that we'll have a widely disseminated vaccine proven to be both safe and effective by October 15. We can hope and pray that one of these vaccines proves to work and be safe, and that it gets distributed swiftly, but that remains to be proven. In any case, we're looking at sometime in 2021 before it begins to be widely distributed, and even then the massive #'s needed to be vaccinated are going to be an enormous challenge and it will take many months, not weeks, to accomplish this.
Unfortunately, while I think the #'s of vaccines in process is reassuring, there's also a very real chance that the initial set of vaccines will prove to be insufficiently effective, or for such limited periods of immunity, or insufficiently safe as to be the answer we need. That said, there are other tests coming on their heels, so the # of chances is working the right way!
relax Francis....you'll have options by October 15. In the meantime, Florida continues its good news:
https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/08/ ... s-to-fall/
FL Positivity Rate.jpg
The only people counting are gait and CU88
When they go quiet, you know that the tide has turned for the better.
This virus may just extinguish itself for all I know, as some viruses do.
I may have a unique viewpoint as we never shut down, we have had no masks requirements, and no one has gotten ill. Sometimes I wonder if the alarmism has been exaggerated with a big media play... The only Twitter account I read about Covid anymore is Alex Berensen, who seems to be the only honest journalist on this topic I can find. If you read Alex' twitter account, the last thing you would be is hysterical about Covid. And before you lefty ninnies attack me for saying Covid isn't serious, what Alex says (and I happen to agree) is Covid is serious but like many other viruses before it, no more deadly nor serious than dozens of others that came and left before it; the difference now is we have an obsessed media and paid partisans who constantly inflame the hysteria to make it sound far worse. Oh also, Alex used to work for the New York Times, that conservative rag!
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:13 am How Fn Stupid are Democrats
"Governor Janet Mills (Maine) now decrees that staff in restaurants should wear face shields upside down so that they are attached at the collar instead of the forehead, so that their breath is directed up, not down."
Maine.jpg
Rick Engelbert
https://www.mainepublic.org/post/mills- ... businesses
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:51 amYou are a true whackadoodle, PB...you seemed to have a moment of clarity yesterday AM when you said "Trump is a moron", but here you go again saying truly dumb things.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:28 am6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:05 amThings have to be getting better. The MSM has dropped the daily new case count and death toll narrative.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:03 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:34 amsheesh, I was talking about Sweden and it's strategy potentially looking better if an effective vaccine doesn't get disseminated until a year from now, and you make the outrageous claim that we'll have a vaccine by October 15...heck, you might as well have said that the Russians already have a vaccine.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:56 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:49 amA known to be safe and effective vaccine?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:41 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:38 amThe "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:26 amCU88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:23 amYou are an idiot.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:20 amYou'll have your vaccine by October 15.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:02 amPretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:45 amSweden won...American libs lost.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:50 amnot really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.CU77 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:22 am*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:
https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden
Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?
sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.
And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.
https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/
Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.
Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...
CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!
But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.
The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!
But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.
I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.
"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.
You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.
Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.
now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"
If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.
No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:
https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html
That ain't the point...if a vaccine doesn't get disseminated that actually works, or folks can't be convinced that it's both effective and SAFE, then the virus will continue to plague us, altering our behaviors for a long time.
There's ZERO chance that we'll have a widely disseminated vaccine proven to be both safe and effective by October 15. We can hope and pray that one of these vaccines proves to work and be safe, and that it gets distributed swiftly, but that remains to be proven. In any case, we're looking at sometime in 2021 before it begins to be widely distributed, and even then the massive #'s needed to be vaccinated are going to be an enormous challenge and it will take many months, not weeks, to accomplish this.
Unfortunately, while I think the #'s of vaccines in process is reassuring, there's also a very real chance that the initial set of vaccines will prove to be insufficiently effective, or for such limited periods of immunity, or insufficiently safe as to be the answer we need. That said, there are other tests coming on their heels, so the # of chances is working the right way!
relax Francis....you'll have options by October 15. In the meantime, Florida continues its good news:
https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/08/ ... s-to-fall/
FL Positivity Rate.jpg
The only people counting are gait and CU88
When they go quiet, you know that the tide has turned for the better.
This virus may just extinguish itself for all I know, as some viruses do.
I may have a unique viewpoint as we never shut down, we have had no masks requirements, and no one has gotten ill. Sometimes I wonder if the alarmism has been exaggerated with a big media play... The only Twitter account I read about Covid anymore is Alex Berensen, who seems to be the only honest journalist on this topic I can find. If you read Alex' twitter account, the last thing you would be is hysterical about Covid. And before you lefty ninnies attack me for saying Covid isn't serious, what Alex says (and I happen to agree) is Covid is serious but like many other viruses before it, no more deadly nor serious than dozens of others that came and left before it; the difference now is we have an obsessed media and paid partisans who constantly inflame the hysteria to make it sound far worse. Oh also, Alex used to work for the New York Times, that conservative rag!
Pray tell us, Petey, which viruses that just "came and left" were as, or more, 'serious' than COVID-19?
How do you measure 'serious'? Number of deaths perhaps?
But hey, you probably also believe the QAnon conspiracy too...https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/politics ... index.html
You're quoting an oncologist?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:22 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:51 amYou are a true whackadoodle, PB...you seemed to have a moment of clarity yesterday AM when you said "Trump is a moron", but here you go again saying truly dumb things.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:28 am6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:05 amThings have to be getting better. The MSM has dropped the daily new case count and death toll narrative.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:03 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:34 amsheesh, I was talking about Sweden and it's strategy potentially looking better if an effective vaccine doesn't get disseminated until a year from now, and you make the outrageous claim that we'll have a vaccine by October 15...heck, you might as well have said that the Russians already have a vaccine.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:56 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:49 amA known to be safe and effective vaccine?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:41 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:38 amThe "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:26 amCU88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:23 amYou are an idiot.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:20 amYou'll have your vaccine by October 15.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:02 amPretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:45 amSweden won...American libs lost.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:50 amnot really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.CU77 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:22 am*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:
https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden
Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?
sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.
And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.
https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/
Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.
Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...
CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!
But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.
The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!
But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.
I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.
"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.
You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.
Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.
now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"
If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.
No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:
https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html
That ain't the point...if a vaccine doesn't get disseminated that actually works, or folks can't be convinced that it's both effective and SAFE, then the virus will continue to plague us, altering our behaviors for a long time.
There's ZERO chance that we'll have a widely disseminated vaccine proven to be both safe and effective by October 15. We can hope and pray that one of these vaccines proves to work and be safe, and that it gets distributed swiftly, but that remains to be proven. In any case, we're looking at sometime in 2021 before it begins to be widely distributed, and even then the massive #'s needed to be vaccinated are going to be an enormous challenge and it will take many months, not weeks, to accomplish this.
Unfortunately, while I think the #'s of vaccines in process is reassuring, there's also a very real chance that the initial set of vaccines will prove to be insufficiently effective, or for such limited periods of immunity, or insufficiently safe as to be the answer we need. That said, there are other tests coming on their heels, so the # of chances is working the right way!
relax Francis....you'll have options by October 15. In the meantime, Florida continues its good news:
https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/08/ ... s-to-fall/
FL Positivity Rate.jpg
The only people counting are gait and CU88
When they go quiet, you know that the tide has turned for the better.
This virus may just extinguish itself for all I know, as some viruses do.
I may have a unique viewpoint as we never shut down, we have had no masks requirements, and no one has gotten ill. Sometimes I wonder if the alarmism has been exaggerated with a big media play... The only Twitter account I read about Covid anymore is Alex Berensen, who seems to be the only honest journalist on this topic I can find. If you read Alex' twitter account, the last thing you would be is hysterical about Covid. And before you lefty ninnies attack me for saying Covid isn't serious, what Alex says (and I happen to agree) is Covid is serious but like many other viruses before it, no more deadly nor serious than dozens of others that came and left before it; the difference now is we have an obsessed media and paid partisans who constantly inflame the hysteria to make it sound far worse. Oh also, Alex used to work for the New York Times, that conservative rag!
Pray tell us, Petey, which viruses that just "came and left" were as, or more, 'serious' than COVID-19?
How do you measure 'serious'? Number of deaths perhaps?
But hey, you probably also believe the QAnon conspiracy too...https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/politics ... index.html
Your TDS is a strong one, probably irreversible, but since you asked, yes, some viruses burn out on their own.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/we ... d-burn-out
yup, stop feeding it.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:28 am You know how to burn it out? Shut down and ring isolate.
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:20 pm Florida leading the nation on the day in both new infections and deaths once again (both absolute number and per capita). Yesterday's report of over 10K dead included ~130 non-residents who died in Florida. Today, Florida goes over 10K dead, only counting Florida residents.
… the dead don't lie!Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:07 pmjhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:20 pm Florida leading the nation on the day in both new infections and deaths once again (both absolute number and per capita). Yesterday's report of over 10K dead included ~130 non-residents who died in Florida. Today, Florida goes over 10K dead, only counting Florida residents.
The science doesn't support your broader message hysteria.
Florida: state hit another two month low in percent of cases positive at 6.78%.
Feel free to peruse this site at your leisure. We are back, baby!!! Greatest state in the US!
http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partn ... latest.pdf