All things CoronaVirus

[MDlaxfan76]

Haunted houses in the age of Corona:

https://apnews.com/87b6ed800cc198915fee0ed91b5d9da7

Entrepreneurship...

[Peter Brown]

Had that big party at your house yet Pete?

Why has Sweden reached herd immunity?

*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:

Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden

https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/

Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?

not really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.

sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.

Sweden won...American libs lost.

And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.

https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/

Pretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.

Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.

Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...

You'll have your vaccine by October 15.

You are an idiot.

CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!

But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.

The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!

The "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.

But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.

I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.

"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.

You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.

A known to be safe and effective vaccine?
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.

Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.

now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"

If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.

No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:

https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html

No vaccine has ever been released that was not clinically safe and effective. If so which vaccines?

The flu vaccine is between 40-60% "effective". Is that "effective" in your books?

Effective however the clinicians define it. Do you know how the flu vaccine works? There is already a Russian vaccine out. You may be able to get it.

You didn't lead with 'however clinicians define it'; you said "no vaccine has ever been released that was not clinically safe and effective". That sounds like you knew the definition of "effective", which in our historical case of flu vaccines is 40-60% 'effective'.

So, is 40-60% 'effective' in your or your clinician's opinion for all vaccines, or just the flu vaccine?

I'm genuinely curious what you believe the acceptable threshold of 'effective' is for a vaccine, given that we know what the 'effective' standard is for a seasonal flu vaccine.

[Peter Brown]

Had that big party at your house yet Pete?

Why has Sweden reached herd immunity?

*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:

Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden

https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/

Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?

not really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.

sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.

Sweden won...American libs lost.

And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.

https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/

Pretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.

Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.

Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...

You'll have your vaccine by October 15.

You are an idiot.

CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!

But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.

The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!

The "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.

But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.

I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.

"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.

You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.

A known to be safe and effective vaccine?
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.

Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.

now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"

If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.

No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:

https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html

sheesh, I was talking about Sweden and it's strategy potentially looking better if an effective vaccine doesn't get disseminated until a year from now, and you make the outrageous claim that we'll have a vaccine by October 15...heck, you might as well have said that the Russians already have a vaccine.

That ain't the point...if a vaccine doesn't get disseminated that actually works, or folks can't be convinced that it's both effective and SAFE, then the virus will continue to plague us, altering our behaviors for a long time.

There's ZERO chance that we'll have a widely disseminated vaccine proven to be both safe and effective by October 15. We can hope and pray that one of these vaccines proves to work and be safe, and that it gets distributed swiftly, but that remains to be proven. In any case, we're looking at sometime in 2021 before it begins to be widely distributed, and even then the massive #'s needed to be vaccinated are going to be an enormous challenge and it will take many months, not weeks, to accomplish this.

Unfortunately, while I think the #'s of vaccines in process is reassuring, there's also a very real chance that the initial set of vaccines will prove to be insufficiently effective, or for such limited periods of immunity, or insufficiently safe as to be the answer we need. That said, there are other tests coming on their heels, so the # of chances is working the right way!

relax Francis....you'll have options by October 15. In the meantime, Florida continues its good news:

https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/08/ ... s-to-fall/

FL Positivity Rate.jpg (19.25 KiB) Viewed 970 times

[6ftstick]

Had that big party at your house yet Pete?

Why has Sweden reached herd immunity?

*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:

Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden

https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/

Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?

not really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.

sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.

Sweden won...American libs lost.

And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.

https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/

Pretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.

Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.

Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...

You'll have your vaccine by October 15.

You are an idiot.

CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!

But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.

The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!

The "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.

But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.

I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.

"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.

You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.

A known to be safe and effective vaccine?
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.

Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.

now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"

If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.

No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:

https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html

sheesh, I was talking about Sweden and it's strategy potentially looking better if an effective vaccine doesn't get disseminated until a year from now, and you make the outrageous claim that we'll have a vaccine by October 15...heck, you might as well have said that the Russians already have a vaccine.

That ain't the point...if a vaccine doesn't get disseminated that actually works, or folks can't be convinced that it's both effective and SAFE, then the virus will continue to plague us, altering our behaviors for a long time.

There's ZERO chance that we'll have a widely disseminated vaccine proven to be both safe and effective by October 15. We can hope and pray that one of these vaccines proves to work and be safe, and that it gets distributed swiftly, but that remains to be proven. In any case, we're looking at sometime in 2021 before it begins to be widely distributed, and even then the massive #'s needed to be vaccinated are going to be an enormous challenge and it will take many months, not weeks, to accomplish this.

Unfortunately, while I think the #'s of vaccines in process is reassuring, there's also a very real chance that the initial set of vaccines will prove to be insufficiently effective, or for such limited periods of immunity, or insufficiently safe as to be the answer we need. That said, there are other tests coming on their heels, so the # of chances is working the right way!

relax Francis....you'll have options by October 15. In the meantime, Florida continues its good news:

https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/08/ ... s-to-fall/


FL Positivity Rate.jpg

Things have to be getting better. The MSM has dropped the daily new case count and death toll narrative.

The only people counting are gait and CU88

[MDlaxfan76]

Had that big party at your house yet Pete?

Why has Sweden reached herd immunity?

*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:

Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden

https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/

Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?

not really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.

sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.

Sweden won...American libs lost.

And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.

https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/

Pretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.

Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.

Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...

You'll have your vaccine by October 15.

You are an idiot.

CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!

But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.

The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!

The "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.

But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.

I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.

"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.

You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.

A known to be safe and effective vaccine?
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.

Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.

now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"

If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.

No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:

https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html

sheesh, I was talking about Sweden and it's strategy potentially looking better if an effective vaccine doesn't get disseminated until a year from now, and you make the outrageous claim that we'll have a vaccine by October 15...heck, you might as well have said that the Russians already have a vaccine.

That ain't the point...if a vaccine doesn't get disseminated that actually works, or folks can't be convinced that it's both effective and SAFE, then the virus will continue to plague us, altering our behaviors for a long time.

There's ZERO chance that we'll have a widely disseminated vaccine proven to be both safe and effective by October 15. We can hope and pray that one of these vaccines proves to work and be safe, and that it gets distributed swiftly, but that remains to be proven. In any case, we're looking at sometime in 2021 before it begins to be widely distributed, and even then the massive #'s needed to be vaccinated are going to be an enormous challenge and it will take many months, not weeks, to accomplish this.

Unfortunately, while I think the #'s of vaccines in process is reassuring, there's also a very real chance that the initial set of vaccines will prove to be insufficiently effective, or for such limited periods of immunity, or insufficiently safe as to be the answer we need. That said, there are other tests coming on their heels, so the # of chances is working the right way!

relax Francis....you'll have options by October 15. In the meantime, Florida continues its good news:

https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/08/ ... s-to-fall/


FL Positivity Rate.jpg

Good trend line and lets hope and pray it continues.
I'd really like for it to make sense for my mom to be able to return safely this fall and live a relatively normal life...
But hey, opening up all schools may throw a next monkey wrench in that hope and prayer...

After all, Florida continues in August to be the worst average daily death rate as a % of population in the US.
So, no worries of a next bloom right?
The heck with them masks...

[Peter Brown]

Had that big party at your house yet Pete?

Why has Sweden reached herd immunity?

*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:

Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden

https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/

Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?

not really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.

sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.

Sweden won...American libs lost.

And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.

https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/

Pretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.

Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.

Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...

You'll have your vaccine by October 15.

You are an idiot.

CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!

But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.

The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!

The "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.

But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.

I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.

"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.

You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.

A known to be safe and effective vaccine?
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.

Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.

now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"

If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.

No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:

https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html

sheesh, I was talking about Sweden and it's strategy potentially looking better if an effective vaccine doesn't get disseminated until a year from now, and you make the outrageous claim that we'll have a vaccine by October 15...heck, you might as well have said that the Russians already have a vaccine.

That ain't the point...if a vaccine doesn't get disseminated that actually works, or folks can't be convinced that it's both effective and SAFE, then the virus will continue to plague us, altering our behaviors for a long time.

There's ZERO chance that we'll have a widely disseminated vaccine proven to be both safe and effective by October 15. We can hope and pray that one of these vaccines proves to work and be safe, and that it gets distributed swiftly, but that remains to be proven. In any case, we're looking at sometime in 2021 before it begins to be widely distributed, and even then the massive #'s needed to be vaccinated are going to be an enormous challenge and it will take many months, not weeks, to accomplish this.

Unfortunately, while I think the #'s of vaccines in process is reassuring, there's also a very real chance that the initial set of vaccines will prove to be insufficiently effective, or for such limited periods of immunity, or insufficiently safe as to be the answer we need. That said, there are other tests coming on their heels, so the # of chances is working the right way!

relax Francis....you'll have options by October 15. In the meantime, Florida continues its good news:

https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/08/ ... s-to-fall/


FL Positivity Rate.jpg

Things have to be getting better. The MSM has dropped the daily new case count and death toll narrative.

The only people counting are gait and CU88

When they go quiet, you know that the tide has turned for the better.

This virus may just extinguish itself for all I know, as some viruses do.

I may have a unique viewpoint as we never shut down, we have had no masks requirements, and no one has gotten ill. Sometimes I wonder if the alarmism has been exaggerated with a big media play... The only Twitter account I read about Covid anymore is Alex Berensen, who seems to be the only honest journalist on this topic I can find. If you read Alex' twitter account, the last thing you would be is hysterical about Covid. And before you lefty ninnies attack me for saying Covid isn't serious, what Alex says (and I happen to agree) is Covid is serious but like many other viruses before it, no more deadly nor serious than dozens of others that came and left before it; the difference now is we have an obsessed media and paid partisans who constantly inflame the hysteria to make it sound far worse. Oh also, Alex used to work for the New York Times, that conservative rag!

[Typical Lax Dad]

Safe and effective:

https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/drugs ... and-safety

[MDlaxfan76]

Had that big party at your house yet Pete?

Why has Sweden reached herd immunity?

*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:

Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden

https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/

Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?

not really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.

sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.

Sweden won...American libs lost.

And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.

https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/

Pretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.

Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.

Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...

You'll have your vaccine by October 15.

You are an idiot.

CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!

But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.

The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!

The "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.

But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.

I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.

"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.

You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.

A known to be safe and effective vaccine?
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.

Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.

now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"

If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.

No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:

https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html

sheesh, I was talking about Sweden and it's strategy potentially looking better if an effective vaccine doesn't get disseminated until a year from now, and you make the outrageous claim that we'll have a vaccine by October 15...heck, you might as well have said that the Russians already have a vaccine.

That ain't the point...if a vaccine doesn't get disseminated that actually works, or folks can't be convinced that it's both effective and SAFE, then the virus will continue to plague us, altering our behaviors for a long time.

There's ZERO chance that we'll have a widely disseminated vaccine proven to be both safe and effective by October 15. We can hope and pray that one of these vaccines proves to work and be safe, and that it gets distributed swiftly, but that remains to be proven. In any case, we're looking at sometime in 2021 before it begins to be widely distributed, and even then the massive #'s needed to be vaccinated are going to be an enormous challenge and it will take many months, not weeks, to accomplish this.

Unfortunately, while I think the #'s of vaccines in process is reassuring, there's also a very real chance that the initial set of vaccines will prove to be insufficiently effective, or for such limited periods of immunity, or insufficiently safe as to be the answer we need. That said, there are other tests coming on their heels, so the # of chances is working the right way!

relax Francis....you'll have options by October 15. In the meantime, Florida continues its good news:

https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/08/ ... s-to-fall/


FL Positivity Rate.jpg

Things have to be getting better. The MSM has dropped the daily new case count and death toll narrative.

The only people counting are gait and CU88

When they go quiet, you know that the tide has turned for the better.

This virus may just extinguish itself for all I know, as some viruses do.

I may have a unique viewpoint as we never shut down, we have had no masks requirements, and no one has gotten ill. Sometimes I wonder if the alarmism has been exaggerated with a big media play... The only Twitter account I read about Covid anymore is Alex Berensen, who seems to be the only honest journalist on this topic I can find. If you read Alex' twitter account, the last thing you would be is hysterical about Covid. And before you lefty ninnies attack me for saying Covid isn't serious, what Alex says (and I happen to agree) is Covid is serious but like many other viruses before it, no more deadly nor serious than dozens of others that came and left before it; the difference now is we have an obsessed media and paid partisans who constantly inflame the hysteria to make it sound far worse. Oh also, Alex used to work for the New York Times, that conservative rag!

You are a true whackadoodle, PB...you seemed to have a moment of clarity yesterday AM when you said "Trump is a moron", but here you go again saying truly dumb things.

Pray tell us, Petey, which viruses that just "came and left" were as, or more, 'serious' than COVID-19?
How do you measure 'serious'? Number of deaths perhaps?

But hey, you probably also believe the QAnon conspiracy too...https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/politics ... index.html

[6ftstick]

How Fn Stupid are Democrats

"Governor Janet Mills (Maine) now decrees that staff in restaurants should wear face shields upside down so that they are attached at the collar instead of the forehead, so that their breath is directed up, not down."

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Rick Engelbert
https://www.mainepublic.org/post/mills- ... businesses

[Peter Brown]

How Fn Stupid are Democrats

"Governor Janet Mills (Maine) now decrees that staff in restaurants should wear face shields upside down so that they are attached at the collar instead of the forehead, so that their breath is directed up, not down."

Maine.jpg

Rick Engelbert
https://www.mainepublic.org/post/mills- ... businesses

Democrats think you are no different than dogs:

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[Peter Brown]

Had that big party at your house yet Pete?

Why has Sweden reached herd immunity?

*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:

Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden

https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/

Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?

not really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.

sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.

Sweden won...American libs lost.

And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.

https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/

Pretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.

Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.

Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...

You'll have your vaccine by October 15.

You are an idiot.

CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!

But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.

The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!

The "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.

But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.

I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.

"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.

You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.

A known to be safe and effective vaccine?
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.

Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.

now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"

If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.

No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:

https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html

sheesh, I was talking about Sweden and it's strategy potentially looking better if an effective vaccine doesn't get disseminated until a year from now, and you make the outrageous claim that we'll have a vaccine by October 15...heck, you might as well have said that the Russians already have a vaccine.

That ain't the point...if a vaccine doesn't get disseminated that actually works, or folks can't be convinced that it's both effective and SAFE, then the virus will continue to plague us, altering our behaviors for a long time.

There's ZERO chance that we'll have a widely disseminated vaccine proven to be both safe and effective by October 15. We can hope and pray that one of these vaccines proves to work and be safe, and that it gets distributed swiftly, but that remains to be proven. In any case, we're looking at sometime in 2021 before it begins to be widely distributed, and even then the massive #'s needed to be vaccinated are going to be an enormous challenge and it will take many months, not weeks, to accomplish this.

Unfortunately, while I think the #'s of vaccines in process is reassuring, there's also a very real chance that the initial set of vaccines will prove to be insufficiently effective, or for such limited periods of immunity, or insufficiently safe as to be the answer we need. That said, there are other tests coming on their heels, so the # of chances is working the right way!

relax Francis....you'll have options by October 15. In the meantime, Florida continues its good news:

https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/08/ ... s-to-fall/


FL Positivity Rate.jpg

Things have to be getting better. The MSM has dropped the daily new case count and death toll narrative.

The only people counting are gait and CU88

When they go quiet, you know that the tide has turned for the better.

This virus may just extinguish itself for all I know, as some viruses do.

I may have a unique viewpoint as we never shut down, we have had no masks requirements, and no one has gotten ill. Sometimes I wonder if the alarmism has been exaggerated with a big media play... The only Twitter account I read about Covid anymore is Alex Berensen, who seems to be the only honest journalist on this topic I can find. If you read Alex' twitter account, the last thing you would be is hysterical about Covid. And before you lefty ninnies attack me for saying Covid isn't serious, what Alex says (and I happen to agree) is Covid is serious but like many other viruses before it, no more deadly nor serious than dozens of others that came and left before it; the difference now is we have an obsessed media and paid partisans who constantly inflame the hysteria to make it sound far worse. Oh also, Alex used to work for the New York Times, that conservative rag!

You are a true whackadoodle, PB...you seemed to have a moment of clarity yesterday AM when you said "Trump is a moron", but here you go again saying truly dumb things.

Pray tell us, Petey, which viruses that just "came and left" were as, or more, 'serious' than COVID-19?
How do you measure 'serious'? Number of deaths perhaps?

But hey, you probably also believe the QAnon conspiracy too...https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/politics ... index.html

Your TDS is a strong one, probably irreversible, but since you asked, yes, some viruses burn out on their own.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/we ... d-burn-out

[Typical Lax Dad]

You know how to burn it out? Shut down and ring isolate.

[MDlaxfan76]

Had that big party at your house yet Pete?

Why has Sweden reached herd immunity?

*sigh* That's fake news, Pete. Please try to keep up:

Herd Immunity to COVID-19 Fails to Materialize in Sweden

https://scitechdaily.com/herd-immunity- ... in-sweden/

Sent out the party invitations yet? They'll say "No masks!" right?

not really much to be gleaned from the article or the study. study is just a short compilation of stats of covid tracking and measures taken, really.

sweden seems to have gotten back toward semi-normal even after disrupting society maybe the least during the spring. death rate high vs scandanavian cousins, of course. odds are they'll lose that particular numbers game given how things have gone and what neighboring countries are likely willing to do to keep their deaths and infections down until (maybe) help with a therapeutic or vaccine arrives.

Sweden won...American libs lost.

And before our country's libs lost this round, they were extolling Sweden as a model of socialism to emulate. Goes to show you it's all about power and not honest conversations. Defeat Democrats.

https://reason.com/2020/08/14/did-swede ... -immunity/

Pretty dumb argument. Out of 215 countries, Sweden is 8th worst in deaths per million population. It's a long distance race, but that's miserably worse than their immediate neighbors...who BTW are also experiencing low deaths/day currently. And they did no better than their neighbors economically.

Of course, it could all get better for Sweden over the long haul, especially if it takes another year before an effective vaccine is available, but right now they look miserable.

Of course, it looks like the USA will soon blow past Sweden on that millions of deaths per million pop metric...with far worse economic impact...

You'll have your vaccine by October 15.

You are an idiot.

CU88 last night posted a gem which said that 'getting a check from the Feds is being on the dole' (meaning I suppose that Joe Biden has been on the dole practically his entire adult life since he has worked for the federal government most of that time?). Work for the military? On the Dole! Be a judge? On the dole! Serve as Ambassador? On the dole!

But I'm the idiot for pointing out that we already have 3 stage 3 Covid vaccines.

The entertainment here is endless. Bob Saget Live has nothing on this crowd!

The "dole" comment was a head scratcher, but I did understand the point that the gal had been supported at every stage of her life by government dollars, including even who she went to work for. I doubt anyone is criticizing her for that, just the rather dense lack of recognition of the importance of government $ in her life.

But yeah, you're an idiot for predicting I'll have my vaccine by October 15. Zero chance.

I wasn't predicting it would take a full year from now to get an effective vaccine disseminated sufficiently to quash the virus, but it's one very real possibility of timetable, and IF that's what happens, Sweden's strategy may prove less awful. On the other hand, if an effective vaccine happens much sooner, then Sweden's awful strategy will remain far worse than their peer neighbors.

"Zero chance". How can there be a "ZERO" chance when you could have already gotten one of three vaccines simply by signing up for a Stage 3 active trial?! 90,000 (minimum) active participants would like a word with you.

You'll have a choice of several (not even one) by October 15.

A known to be safe and effective vaccine?
Zero chance by Oct 15.
Disseminated across the population sufficient to quash the virus, enabling us to truly get back to normal behaviors?
Zero chance by Jan 15.

Of course, if you do sign up for an NIH trial, you have an equal chance of placebo, so there's that comfort.

now the disqualifier: "known to be a safe and effective vaccine"

If I could move the goalposts every time I am challenged on a statement.

No vaccine is ever 100% safe nor effective:

https://www.livescience.com/57488-vacci ... mbers.html

sheesh, I was talking about Sweden and it's strategy potentially looking better if an effective vaccine doesn't get disseminated until a year from now, and you make the outrageous claim that we'll have a vaccine by October 15...heck, you might as well have said that the Russians already have a vaccine.

That ain't the point...if a vaccine doesn't get disseminated that actually works, or folks can't be convinced that it's both effective and SAFE, then the virus will continue to plague us, altering our behaviors for a long time.

There's ZERO chance that we'll have a widely disseminated vaccine proven to be both safe and effective by October 15. We can hope and pray that one of these vaccines proves to work and be safe, and that it gets distributed swiftly, but that remains to be proven. In any case, we're looking at sometime in 2021 before it begins to be widely distributed, and even then the massive #'s needed to be vaccinated are going to be an enormous challenge and it will take many months, not weeks, to accomplish this.

Unfortunately, while I think the #'s of vaccines in process is reassuring, there's also a very real chance that the initial set of vaccines will prove to be insufficiently effective, or for such limited periods of immunity, or insufficiently safe as to be the answer we need. That said, there are other tests coming on their heels, so the # of chances is working the right way!

relax Francis....you'll have options by October 15. In the meantime, Florida continues its good news:

https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/08/ ... s-to-fall/


FL Positivity Rate.jpg

Things have to be getting better. The MSM has dropped the daily new case count and death toll narrative.

The only people counting are gait and CU88

When they go quiet, you know that the tide has turned for the better.

This virus may just extinguish itself for all I know, as some viruses do.

I may have a unique viewpoint as we never shut down, we have had no masks requirements, and no one has gotten ill. Sometimes I wonder if the alarmism has been exaggerated with a big media play... The only Twitter account I read about Covid anymore is Alex Berensen, who seems to be the only honest journalist on this topic I can find. If you read Alex' twitter account, the last thing you would be is hysterical about Covid. And before you lefty ninnies attack me for saying Covid isn't serious, what Alex says (and I happen to agree) is Covid is serious but like many other viruses before it, no more deadly nor serious than dozens of others that came and left before it; the difference now is we have an obsessed media and paid partisans who constantly inflame the hysteria to make it sound far worse. Oh also, Alex used to work for the New York Times, that conservative rag!

You are a true whackadoodle, PB...you seemed to have a moment of clarity yesterday AM when you said "Trump is a moron", but here you go again saying truly dumb things.

Pray tell us, Petey, which viruses that just "came and left" were as, or more, 'serious' than COVID-19?
How do you measure 'serious'? Number of deaths perhaps?

But hey, you probably also believe the QAnon conspiracy too...https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/politics ... index.html

Your TDS is a strong one, probably irreversible, but since you asked, yes, some viruses burn out on their own.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/we ... d-burn-out

You're quoting an oncologist?
But no actual examples of these sorts of viruses which just 'burn out on their own'???

The EU is seeing an uptick in transmission as travel restrictions have been eased...this virus certainly isn't yet giving any actual signs that it's just gonna 'burn out'...though, sure, eventually enough people die and 'herd immunity' can develop with some viruses...but the people who actually study viruses (not oncologists) say we're less than a third the way there...maybe less than a 10th the way, though we really don't know as yet how this bug may evolve so it could keep coming back in new waves year after year...sure hope that's not the case!

[MDlaxfan76]

You know how to burn it out? Shut down and ring isolate.

yup, stop feeding it.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02278-5

[holmes435]

The Spanish flu burned out. 20-50+ million dead.

If we let COVID-19 "burn out" and just go for herd immunity we're looking at tens of millions of dead worldwide and a million+ dead Americans.

Of course "burn out" is vastly different from a virus completely disappearing off the face of the planet tomorrow.

[jhu72]

Florida leading the nation on the day in both new infections and deaths once again (both absolute number and per capita). Yesterday's report of over 10K dead included ~130 non-residents who died in Florida. Today, Florida goes over 10K dead, only counting Florida residents.

[Peter Brown]

Florida leading the nation on the day in both new infections and deaths once again (both absolute number and per capita). Yesterday's report of over 10K dead included ~130 non-residents who died in Florida. Today, Florida goes over 10K dead, only counting Florida residents.

The science doesn't support your broader message hysteria.

Florida: state hit another two month low in percent of cases positive at 6.78%.

Feel free to peruse this site at your leisure. We are back, baby!!! Greatest state in the US!

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partn ... latest.pdf

[njbill]

So Trump calls up Putin and says, Vlad, I’ve got this Fauci guy who has become a real problem. He is telling the truth. People believe him. He is just killing me in the polls. I need some help.

Vlad says, Don, you called the right guy. Getting rid of “problems” is my specialty. I’ll send over some of my guys with some “Russian medicine,” not the coronavirus vaccine, but, you know, .

Trump says, I don’t know, if they catch me, I’ll spend the rest of my life in jail. We have a terrible judicial system here, not like that tiptop one you have. Got any other ideas?

Well, says Vlad, how about if we insert a polyp on his vocal cord. Surgery needed. Won’t be able to talk for some period of time.

Bingo says Trump. How can I ever repay you?

Well, says Vlad, I actually have an idea or two.

[jhu72]

Florida leading the nation on the day in both new infections and deaths once again (both absolute number and per capita). Yesterday's report of over 10K dead included ~130 non-residents who died in Florida. Today, Florida goes over 10K dead, only counting Florida residents.

The science doesn't support your broader message hysteria.

Florida: state hit another two month low in percent of cases positive at 6.78%.

Feel free to peruse this site at your leisure. We are back, baby!!! Greatest state in the US!

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partn ... latest.pdf

… the dead don't lie!