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[jhu72]

All of you complaining about Kav drinking. I am curious what you think of this Obama video? Video can be found in the link below
https://www.dailywire.com/news/36649/ob ... n-saavedra

Obama Admits Heavy Drinking, Drug Problems As An 'Adolescent' In Rare Video Footage




In light of the recent attacks on Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh over his alleged drinking in high school and his having thrown ice at someone in a bar, a rare video clip of then-Illinois State Senator Barack Obama has surfaced that shows the 40-year-old admitting that while he was a "young boy" and an "adolescent" he drank "a six-pack in an hour" in between classes, got in fights, was a "thug," and used illegal drugs.

The February 2001 biographical interview was made by The History Makers, who interviewed Obama about everything from his favorite color to describing his adolescent behavior to defining what he wanted his legacy to be.


While discussing his adolescent behavior, Obama said, "I was a thug for a big part of my growing up," adding that he was "mischievous."

"I didn't take school that seriously," Obama continued. "I got into fights. I drank and did —and consumed substances that weren't always legal."

Obama noted that some of his behavior "was self-destructive," saying, "I might have drank a six-pack in an hour before going back to class, things like that."

The clip validates other statements made by Obama, who has admitted to using cocaine and marijuana during his high school years.

Democrats are such hypocrites.

Exceeded only by Trumpnista.

[tech37]

It is now pretty clear the FBI investigation was not intended to do a meaningful investigation and the fault lay with the White House. Only 10 people interviewed, and only 6 known to the public. Those known to the public were, with the possible exception of Mark Judge, not likely to have added anything substantial to the information already known. The other 4 are more interesting, probably Kavanaugh's mom, his wife and two daughters.

Collins called the investigation "thorough."

[runrussellrun]

and make no mistake, this was done for political reasons. No other justice has ever faced this level of scrutiny. and I doubt many of the ones currently sitting on the SCOTUS could survive this gauntlet.

Come on Hoo. That's way way way overstated.

Gorsuch got confirmed with virtually no static only a year ago. He's just as white, entitled, conservative, Fed Society etc. etc. etc. as Kav is. Heck, he was a couple years behind Kav at Gtown Prep!! They are basically clones. Alito got through just fine; so did Roberts, Kagan, Sotomayor. Garland, of course, is the one who didn't get through...

And even if Kav would go down, he'd get replaced by one of the other 20 conservative Fed Society types on Trump's list. None of this happens if Kav doesn't have some issues in his past.

Totally fair to consider if it is OK to confirm Kav if he did these things. Also totally fair to try to figure out if these things from 35 years ago can be proven or at least partly corroborated. This is a shirt show only because the pols couldn't handle these perfectly legit concerns in a fair and reasonable manner.

I think it would be great for the country if Flake et al called BS on the faux investigation and declined to vote at this point. They asked for a week investigation, not a weak investigation. If they insist on a valid process, I'm fine if Kav gets confirmed. If Kav gets jammed through on this basis, a House investigation of Kav becomes Benghazi II.

If not for Dr. Ford, would ANY of the other folks be coming out talking about his drunkeness and lies? Where was Swednick in August? Ramirez in July. So obviously political hit jobbery. Don't like KAV because he supports white collar socialism and its abuse of the legal system, IE; the courts. Gee, you need to hire a LAWYER in order to file personal bankruptcy now? (thank you congress/TAMATS ) Doesn't sound very forefatherly/ US Constitutional to me.

[jhu72]

Who is the judge of what constitutes "destroying a person's reputation"?

Those with supporting/credible facts.

Who makes that decision, who decides what is credible, you?

Certainly not you.

It's why we have presumption of innocence, right to a fair trial, hearings, testimony, etc., in this country. Of course you know all this 72...what's your point?

There is a disconnect here -- you are telling me we have all these things in this country: POI, fair trials, hearings, testimony, but yet you are telling me Bart O. had his reputation destroyed? How can that be, we have all these protections?

[Bandito]

This video shows deep state traitors will be arrested soon. YAY!

Also check the comment section. I can't post it as i get an error message, but one of the posters beautifully describes the Kav hearings and facts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWkDbkODQPk

[runrussellrun]

It is now pretty clear the FBI investigation was not intended to do a meaningful investigation and the fault lay with the White House. Only 10 people interviewed, and only 6 known to the public. Those known to the public were, with the possible exception of Mark Judge, not likely to have added anything substantial to the information already known. The other 4 are more interesting, probably Kavanaugh's mom, his wife and two daughters.

What more do you want to know? You guys don't care about the joke that is Dr. Fords pathetic polygraph "exam" and her poorly written recollection of the issues. At some point, the whataboutism has to matter. The Feinstein letter doesn't match the polygraph letter. Not a credible witness.

You guys keep on saying its NOT a trial, so what is there to investigate? Whether Kav bought the UB40 tickets thru a scalper? He lied about like beer, b/c he was known to drink sex on the beach and kamikazes ?

And, why CAN'T we open up the current Supremes past? We can impeach them, should we set up a "hotline" or "tipline" on all of them? Lord knows the Supremes NEVER affliate nor invest with the people they right briefs on.

(misspelling is on purpose, nuts )

[runrussellrun]

MDlaxfan76 wrote
"Yes, I drank way too much back in my youth, did and said stupid things, but I have no recollection of these specific incidents or any other time like them that would constitute sexual assault. If I ever did anything remotely approaching such, I was unaware and I'm deeply distressed and sorry anything I did ever hurt anyone. I've tried to live my life as an adult as someone who cares about others, who respects and supports women, both in my personal and my professional dealing. I stand by that record 100%.

That's all it would have taken for me. As has been mentioned, I would have been one of those who couldn't pick out Barf in a picture of two before this mess, had no bias (don't care about the D & R thing), no reason to question his honesty, integrity, or character. Sure didn't feel that way after watching and listening to him though. All he had to do was say what you suggest he should have said. He brought this stuff on himself.

You kidding with this. Kav DID say pretty much this. Just in an angry tone. Suggest you re-watch the hearings, post Dr. Ford outing.

Completely sober, we forget things that happened recently. Don't we? (was it the day of my grandmothers funeral that I sat in a hotel conference room, or the day after? )

[dislaxxic]

Some would like to ask the other persons identified as being in the house, in the vicinity of the door Dr. Ford exited out of, whether they saw her exit, and in what state she seemed at that moment. Did they ask those people that question?

Similarly, what did persons in the room, building, at the gathering that interacted directly with Ms. Ramirez after the alleged activity...have to say about the alleged activity. Did they ask those people that question?

Dr. Ford's therapist? Questions may well be asked of these people going forward, confirmation or not.

Isn't it interesting that many of these circular firing squad questions challenging this whole affair come from a place "left of most Democrats".

What would Dr. Jill Stein say? Anybody ask her?? exactly (not).

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[jhu72]

It is now pretty clear the FBI investigation was not intended to do a meaningful investigation and the fault lay with the White House. Only 10 people interviewed, and only 6 known to the public. Those known to the public were, with the possible exception of Mark Judge, not likely to have added anything substantial to the information already known. The other 4 are more interesting, probably Kavanaugh's mom, his wife and two daughters.

Collins called the investigation "thorough."

I will believe it is "thorough" when they (the republicans / trumpnista) release all of the reports to the public, all 7 claimed to exist, including the 302s and I review this myself, and I find it "thorough". But they won't do that, the republicans have too much to hide. They know and have known about Kegnaughs drinking problem. They many also have known about his questionable behavior with women and have been trying to sweep this all under the rug.

[runrussellrun]

Anyone on here have an issue with kids getting drunk and stupid in their youth (other than whatever danger that may have been for themselves or others)?

Anyone on here want to claim they themselves never did anything stupid and/or dangerous, especially when adolescent and drunk?

I don't hear either from any posters on this thread.

At least on this thread, that's not the standard anyone is saying we should hold people accountable to, whether for President or for SCOTUS or for Senate, or whatever job.

Just be honest about your youthful mistakes. Learn from them. That's the standard.

For instance, people get TS security clearances all the time who've done various things earlier in their life that are embarrassing...but they need to be honest and open about those errors and not be at risk of repeating them or be potential blackmail targets.

For a SCOTUS position we should, at a minimum, expect 100% integrity and respect for the oath taken to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Fail that test, though, and move on to the next nominee.

Define youth? Adolescent , I understand, but if I did something stupid at age 55, but live to 95, forty more years, is that considered my youth?

Why should stupid things be the playground of only the under 30 crowd

[Bandito]

Some would like to ask the other persons identified as being in the house, in the vicinity of the door Dr. Ford exited out of, whether they saw her exit, and in what state she seemed at that moment. Did they ask those people that question?

Similarly, what did persons in the room, building, at the gathering that interacted directly with Ms. Ramirez after the alleged activity...have to say about the alleged activity. Did they ask those people that question?

Dr. Ford's therapist? Questions may well be asked of these people going forward, confirmation or not.

Isn't it interesting that many of these circular firing squad questions challenging this whole affair come from a place "left of most Democrats".

What would Dr. Jill Stein say? Anybody ask her?? exactly (not).

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Jill Stein and Dr. Ford do have a few things in common. Not only do they have cob webby and dusty old vaginas, but they both stole money through Go Fund Me's from gullible followers. And Jill Stein is the most insignificant person ever. She is a hairy jerk

[jhu72]

MDlaxfan76 wrote
"Yes, I drank way too much back in my youth, did and said stupid things, but I have no recollection of these specific incidents or any other time like them that would constitute sexual assault. If I ever did anything remotely approaching such, I was unaware and I'm deeply distressed and sorry anything I did ever hurt anyone. I've tried to live my life as an adult as someone who cares about others, who respects and supports women, both in my personal and my professional dealing. I stand by that record 100%.

That's all it would have taken for me. As has been mentioned, I would have been one of those who couldn't pick out Barf in a picture of two before this mess, had no bias (don't care about the D & R thing), no reason to question his honesty, integrity, or character. Sure didn't feel that way after watching and listening to him though. All he had to do was say what you suggest he should have said. He brought this stuff on himself.

You kidding with this. Kav DID say pretty much this. Just in an angry tone. Suggest you re-watch the hearings, post Dr. Ford outing.

Completely sober, we forget things that happened recently. Don't we? (was it the day of my grandmothers funeral that I sat in a hotel conference room, or the day after? )

Bart O lied in his first appearance before the Senate. It was only after he was caught and pressed did he come semi-clean, with an "angry tone" during his second appearance. He did not do this because of anything Dr. Ford said. He did it because numerous credible sources started coming out in the press about his drinking and behavior between his first and second appearance.

[runrussellrun]

Some would like to ask the other persons identified as being in the house, in the vicinity of the door Dr. Ford exited out of, whether they saw her exit, and in what state she seemed at that moment. Did they ask those people that question?

Similarly, what did persons in the room, building, at the gathering that interacted directly with Ms. Ramirez after the alleged activity...have to say about the alleged activity. Did they ask those people that question?

Dr. Ford's therapist? Questions may well be asked of these people going forward, confirmation or not.

Isn't it interesting that many of these circular firing squad questions challenging this whole affair come from a place "left of most Democrats".

What would Dr. Jill Stein say? Anybody ask her?? exactly (not).

..

Just checked with my Monkey county legal source. Christy Ford has still NOT been able to find her way to a police station and file a criminal complaint. why the pretends don't let this bother them is strange. No statues on limitations, so whats the deal. Same with Julie Swednicky, gang rape is for scumbags and they should all be killed. Worse than murder. (I will do it for free ) Why she hasn't headed to the police either is troubling.

[runrussellrun]

MDlaxfan76 wrote
"Yes, I drank way too much back in my youth, did and said stupid things, but I have no recollection of these specific incidents or any other time like them that would constitute sexual assault. If I ever did anything remotely approaching such, I was unaware and I'm deeply distressed and sorry anything I did ever hurt anyone. I've tried to live my life as an adult as someone who cares about others, who respects and supports women, both in my personal and my professional dealing. I stand by that record 100%.

That's all it would have taken for me. As has been mentioned, I would have been one of those who couldn't pick out Barf in a picture of two before this mess, had no bias (don't care about the D & R thing), no reason to question his honesty, integrity, or character. Sure didn't feel that way after watching and listening to him though. All he had to do was say what you suggest he should have said. He brought this stuff on himself.

You kidding with this. Kav DID say pretty much this. Just in an angry tone. Suggest you re-watch the hearings, post Dr. Ford outing.

Completely sober, we forget things that happened recently. Don't we? (was it the day of my grandmothers funeral that I sat in a hotel conference room, or the day after? )

Bart O lied in his first appearance before the Senate. It was only after he was caught and pressed did he come semi-clean, with an "angry tone" during his second appearance. He did not do this because of anything Dr. Ford said. He did it because numerous credible sources started coming out in the press about his drinking and behavior between his first and second appearance.

huh. Kav was asked about his drinking, yearbook posts and Mark Judge in the first set of hearings? Prove it.

[youthathletics]

The FBI admitted they do not go back prior to your 18th birthday

It is now pretty clear the FBI investigation was not intended to do a meaningful investigation and the fault lay with the White House. Only 10 people interviewed, and only 6 known to the public. Those known to the public were, with the possible exception of Mark Judge, not likely to have added anything substantial to the information already known. The other 4 are more interesting, probably Kavanaugh's mom, his wife and two daughters.

Collins called the investigation "thorough."

I will believe it is "thorough" when they (the republicans / trumpnista) release all of the reports to the public, all 7 claimed to exist, including the 302s and I review this myself, and I find it "thorough". But they won't do that, the republicans have too much to hide. They know and have known about Kegnaughs drinking problem. They many also have known about his questionable behavior with women and have been trying to sweep this all under the rug.

Let it go jhu72. I suppose you all are now going to smear the FBI....pot meet kettle Maybe if Comey says it's all good, you'll reconsider your position about a grown man that drank alot as a youthful knucklehead.

[jhu72]

It is now pretty clear the FBI investigation was not intended to do a meaningful investigation and the fault lay with the White House. Only 10 people interviewed, and only 6 known to the public. Those known to the public were, with the possible exception of Mark Judge, not likely to have added anything substantial to the information already known. The other 4 are more interesting, probably Kavanaugh's mom, his wife and two daughters.

What more do you want to know? You guys don't care about the joke that is Dr. Fords pathetic polygraph "exam" and her poorly written recollection of the issues. At some point, the whataboutism has to matter. The Feinstein letter doesn't match the polygraph letter. Not a credible witness.

You guys keep on saying its NOT a trial, so what is there to investigate? Whether Kav bought the UB40 tickets thru a scalper? He lied about like beer, b/c he was known to drink sex on the beach and kamikazes ?

And, why CAN'T we open up the current Supremes past? We can impeach them, should we set up a "hotline" or "tipline" on all of them? Lord knows the Supremes NEVER affliate nor invest with the people they right briefs on.

(misspelling is on purpose, nuts )

Kavanaugh lied about more than the drinking and more than the tickets, those lies however are significant but boring. I disagree about Ford's credibility, her testimony was compelling. I have no idea what you are talking about her polygraph -- I haven't seen it and I wouldn't know what I was looking at if I did.

We can open up impeachment investigations of past supremes. Nothing to stop it.

[runrussellrun]

jhu72,

it's telling that you don't know the contradicktions in Ford's letters. smoogle it.

[ggait]

Collins called the investigation "thorough."

Who knows exactly what the FBI was allowed to do. It seems like the Ramirez claims were given very short shrift and might have been more prove-able than the Ford claims.

Ford's allegations seem to have been given a decent amount of scrutiny -- FBI seems to have talked to Judge and all the other people identified by Ford as being at the gathering. Doesn't mean it didn't happen -- just means (as is often the case) the allegations couldn't be proven. People involved may have been drunk or blacked out (which is essentially unprove-able), folks could be lying, or folks could just not remember from decades ago. It happens.

Although I think Ford's story is more believable than Kav's, I'm surprised Ford's team didn't nail down the location of the house. That's a big hole in her story and you'd think that could have been filled. Wouldn't have been hard to take her on a tour of the inside of the houses that Timmy, Squi, etc. lived in at the time and see if it lines up.

Ronan Farrow or someone else will presumably do that eventually.

[runrussellrun]

Collins called the investigation "thorough."

Who knows exactly what the FBI was allowed to do. It seems like the Ramirez claims were given very short shrift and might have been more prove-able than the Ford claims.

Ford's allegations seem to have been given a decent amount of scrutiny -- FBI seems to have talked to Judge and all the other people identified by Ford as being at the gathering. Doesn't mean it didn't happen -- just means (as is often the case) the allegations couldn't be proven. People involved may have been drunk or blacked out (which is essentially unprove-able), folks could be lying, or folks could just not remember from decades ago. It happens.

Although I think Ford's story is more believable than Kav's, I'm surprised Ford's team didn't nail down the location of the house. That's a big hole in her story and you'd think that could have been filled. Wouldn't have been hard to take her on a tour of the inside of the houses that Timmy, Squi, etc. lived in at the time and see if it lines up.

Ronan Farrow or someone else will presumably do that eventually.

Fords team couldn't even get their letters to match up. (between the Feinstein letter and her recollection of issues she said were "true" via the polygraph ) Of course, Ford also said her therapist wrote down the wrong information in her notes. What part of all this points the compass to credible?

ANd no, like Kaiser Souza, Dr. Ford will dissappear forever. You pretends don't care about the CRIMINAL act, if one happened. SHe served her self serving purpose. Hope she activates her social media accounts after this.

[tech37]

Collins called the investigation "thorough."

Who knows exactly what the FBI was allowed to do. It seems like the Ramirez claims were given very short shrift and might have been more prove-able than the Ford claims.

Ford's allegations seem to have been given a decent amount of scrutiny -- FBI seems to have talked to Judge and all the other people identified by Ford as being at the gathering. Doesn't mean it didn't happen -- just means (as is often the case) the allegations couldn't be proven. People involved may have been drunk or blacked out (which is essentially unprove-able), folks could be lying, or folks could just not remember from decades ago. It happens.

Although I think Ford's story is more believable than Kav's, I'm surprised Ford's team didn't nail down the location of the house. That's a big hole in her story and you'd think that could have been filled. Wouldn't have been hard to take her on a tour of the inside of the houses that Timmy, Squi, etc. lived in at the time and see if it lines up.

Ronan Farrow or someone else will presumably do that eventually.

Since none of us know, seems to me that the fact that Susan Collins, someone who is a swing vote and definitely not a Trump fan, is telling/credible when she says "very thorough."