2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[njbill]

Dane County recount now completed. Adding those results to those from Milwaukee County, the good guy gained 87 net votes. Ah well. That was $3 million well spent.

https://apple.news/ArLpazbJKTvuEjdfILQhicQ

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/sta ... 63616?s=21

Only the best people...

was actually impressed he seamlessly posted a video until i saw the team trump byline. which i'm guessing means he's just piggybacking.

I can’t believe all the tripe I have missed on Twitter.....Lacrosse and a couple science and finance publications aren’t enough!

[Typical Lax Dad]

This is a network “news” station

[a fan]

This is a network “news” station

By the way? This completely ends the idea that "They are all the same".

Democrats don't do this. And the MSM would never have enabled it.

Hillary conceded, no problems whatsoever.


Anyone here think that Republican voters----or heck, the Republicans on the Forum, outside of MDLax-----are going to admit that they are group that's causing so many freaking problems in Federal Governance?

Yeah, I don't either. 1950's Conservatives would HATE the current Republican party. And justifiably so.

[Typical Lax Dad]

This is a network “news” station

By the way? This completely ends the idea that "They are all the same".

Democrats don't do this. And the MSM would never have enabled it.

Hillary conceded, no problems whatsoever.


Anyone here think that Republican voters----or heck, the Republicans on the Forum, outside of MDLax-----are going to admit that they are group that's causing so many freaking problems in Federal Governance?

Yeah, I don't either. 1950's Conservatives would HATE the current Republican party. And justifiably so.

Mass media communications was my minor and media and the government was my favorite class. What we are witnessing now is a perversion. This might be worse than propaganda.

[youthathletics]

This is a network “news” station

By the way? This completely ends the idea that "They are all the same".

Democrats don't do this. And the MSM would never have enabled it.

Hillary conceded, no problems whatsoever.


Anyone here think that Republican voters----or heck, the Republicans on the Forum, outside of MDLax-----are going to admit that they are group that's causing so many freaking problems in Federal Governance?

Yeah, I don't either. 1950's Conservatives would HATE the current Republican party. And justifiably so.

You musta’ forgot, Trump is really a Democrat, he just plays an r on tv. I believe you have also said this.

[a fan]

This is a network “news” station

By the way? This completely ends the idea that "They are all the same".

Democrats don't do this. And the MSM would never have enabled it.

Hillary conceded, no problems whatsoever.


Anyone here think that Republican voters----or heck, the Republicans on the Forum, outside of MDLax-----are going to admit that they are group that's causing so many freaking problems in Federal Governance?

Yeah, I don't either. 1950's Conservatives would HATE the current Republican party. And justifiably so.

You musta’ forgot, Trump is really a Democrat, he just plays an r on tv. I believe you have also said this.

No. I said he's really a liberal. Or, if you prefer, what American Conservatives think Dems stand for. You know any conservatives who think giving billions to farmers for no reason is a great idea? I don't.

Reagan told farmers to get bent when they came for help under normal free market circumstance. As he should of, if you believe in the buffalo cookies of "the free market is best" that your team sold us for 50 years.

Trump? Out comes the handouts. And tariffs. And MORE Big Government. And borrowing for things we don't need and don't want to pay for.

So yep: a liberal.

[old salt]

This is a network “news” station

By the way? This completely ends the idea that "They are all the same".

Democrats don't do this. And the MSM would never have enabled it.

Hillary conceded, no problems whatsoever.


Anyone here think that Republican voters----or heck, the Republicans on the Forum, outside of MDLax-----are going to admit that they are group that's causing so many freaking problems in Federal Governance?

Yeah, I don't either. 1950's Conservatives would HATE the current Republican party. And justifiably so.

You musta’ forgot, Trump is really a Democrat, he just plays an r on tv. I believe you have also said this.

No. I said he's really a liberal. Or, if you prefer, what American Conservatives think Dems stand for. You know any conservatives who think giving billions to farmers for no reason is a great idea? I don't.

Reagan told farmers to get bent when they came for help under normal free market circumstance. As he should of, if you believe in the buffalo cookies of "the free market is best" that your team sold us for 50 years.

Trump? Out comes the handouts. And tariffs. And MORE Big Government. And borrowing for things we don't need and don't want to pay for.

So yep: a liberal.

Reagan signs record boost in farm subsidies

[a fan]

This is a network “news” station

By the way? This completely ends the idea that "They are all the same".

Democrats don't do this. And the MSM would never have enabled it.

Hillary conceded, no problems whatsoever.


Anyone here think that Republican voters----or heck, the Republicans on the Forum, outside of MDLax-----are going to admit that they are group that's causing so many freaking problems in Federal Governance?

Yeah, I don't either. 1950's Conservatives would HATE the current Republican party. And justifiably so.

You musta’ forgot, Trump is really a Democrat, he just plays an r on tv. I believe you have also said this.

No. I said he's really a liberal. Or, if you prefer, what American Conservatives think Dems stand for. You know any conservatives who think giving billions to farmers for no reason is a great idea? I don't.

Reagan told farmers to get bent when they came for help under normal free market circumstance. As he should of, if you believe in the buffalo cookies of "the free market is best" that your team sold us for 50 years.

Trump? Out comes the handouts. And tariffs. And MORE Big Government. And borrowing for things we don't need and don't want to pay for.

So yep: a liberal.

Reagan signs record boost in farm subsidies

You think I forgot he caved?

Read the whole story of that legislative process.

Mr. Reagan said his aim was ''to get farming more market-oriented'' and less tied to the ''heavy hand of Government.''

''But since it's government that's been responsible for many of the farmers' problems, it's also only fair that government not now just abandon but make an effort to help the farmers through this transition,'' he added.

Reagan was sold the idea that the Farm Bill was temporary. Not a permanent market fix.

[seacoaster]

OK:

https://mobile.twitter.com/LLinWood/sta ... 5960898561

[seacoaster]

Nice primer:

https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/11/the- ... ile-fight/

[old salt]

This is a network “news” station

By the way? This completely ends the idea that "They are all the same".

Democrats don't do this. And the MSM would never have enabled it.

Hillary conceded, no problems whatsoever.


Anyone here think that Republican voters----or heck, the Republicans on the Forum, outside of MDLax-----are going to admit that they are group that's causing so many freaking problems in Federal Governance?

Yeah, I don't either. 1950's Conservatives would HATE the current Republican party. And justifiably so.

You musta’ forgot, Trump is really a Democrat, he just plays an r on tv. I believe you have also said this.

No. I said he's really a liberal. Or, if you prefer, what American Conservatives think Dems stand for. You know any conservatives who think giving billions to farmers for no reason is a great idea? I don't.

Reagan told farmers to get bent when they came for help under normal free market circumstance. As he should of, if you believe in the buffalo cookies of "the free market is best" that your team sold us for 50 years.

Trump? Out comes the handouts. And tariffs. And MORE Big Government. And borrowing for things we don't need and don't want to pay for.

So yep: a liberal.

Reagan signs record boost in farm subsidies

You think I forgot he caved?

Read the whole story of that legislative process.

Mr. Reagan said his aim was ''to get farming more market-oriented'' and less tied to the ''heavy hand of Government.''

''But since it's government that's been responsible for many of the farmers' problems, it's also only fair that government not now just abandon but make an effort to help the farmers through this transition,'' he added.

Reagan was sold the idea that the Farm Bill was temporary. Not a permanent market fix.

I was responding to what you posted. This :
Reagan told farmers to get bent when they came for help under normal free market circumstance. As he should of, if you believe in the buffalo cookies of "the free market is best" that your team sold us for 50 years.

[a fan]

I was responding to what you posted. This :
Reagan told farmers to get bent when they came for help under normal free market circumstance. As he should of, if you believe in the buffalo cookies of "the free market is best" that your team sold us for 50 years.

And that's entirely fair. I didn't put the context of my comment on paper.

[cradleandshoot]

This is a network “news” station

By the way? This completely ends the idea that "They are all the same".

Democrats don't do this. And the MSM would never have enabled it.

Hillary conceded, no problems whatsoever.


Anyone here think that Republican voters----or heck, the Republicans on the Forum, outside of MDLax-----are going to admit that they are group that's causing so many freaking problems in Federal Governance?

Yeah, I don't either. 1950's Conservatives would HATE the current Republican party. And justifiably so.

"1950's Conservatives would HATE the current Republican party. And justifiably so."

Would they be the same 1950s Conservatives that had no problem keeping black people in the back of the bus? To be fair a 1950s Liberal Democrat would not recognize the party today as well. Hell my family were all liberal Democrats. I was raised as a liberal democrat. There is absolutely nothing in the democrat party, circa 2020 that resembles the democrat party of my parents generation. IMO that should come as no surprise. The Rs and the Ds have both morphed into totally different versions of what the parties used to be. I watched during the last 4 years as fiscal conservatives stood on the sidelines and said NOTHING about all the money trump was whizzing away. I bet these people expect to gain credibility again once trump leaves office? They will pretend as if nothing ever happened.

[Kismet]

This is a network “news” station

By the way? This completely ends the idea that "They are all the same".

Democrats don't do this. And the MSM would never have enabled it.

Hillary conceded, no problems whatsoever.


Anyone here think that Republican voters----or heck, the Republicans on the Forum, outside of MDLax-----are going to admit that they are group that's causing so many freaking problems in Federal Governance?

Yeah, I don't either. 1950's Conservatives would HATE the current Republican party. And justifiably so.

"1950's Conservatives would HATE the current Republican party. And justifiably so."

Would they be the same 1950s Conservatives that had no problem keeping black people in the back of the bus? To be fair a 1950s Liberal Democrat would not recognize the party today as well. Hell my family were all liberal Democrats. I was raised as a liberal democrat. There is absolutely nothing in the democrat party, circa 2020 that resembles the democrat party of my parents generation. IMO that should come as no surprise. The Rs and the Ds have both morphed into totally different versions of what the parties used to be. I watched during the last 4 years as fiscal conservatives stood on the sidelines and said NOTHING about all the money trump was whizzing away. I bet these people expect to gain credibility again once trump leaves office? They will pretend as if nothing ever happened.

Actually, The mainstream Republican Party of the 1950s (not McCarthy) was actually quite liberal by today's definition. The Democratic Party had all those Southerners dating back to the Civil War to go with the FDR New Dealers and organized labor. This is why LBJ had to get Sen. Everett Dirksen (R-Il) on board to pass the Civil & Voting Rights Acts in the mid 60s. Many in his own party would not support it. History often makes for strange bedfellows.

While we are on history - there was a Op-ED today in the NYT by Jochen Bittner of the Die Zeit newspaper in Germany referencing what occurred in Germany in 1918 after WWI and parallels to today in America.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/opin ... -1918.html

1918 Germany Has a Warning for America
Donald Trump’s “Stop the Steal” campaign recalls one of the most disastrous political lies of the 20th century.

"HAMBURG, Germany — It may well be that Germans have a special inclination to panic at specters from the past, and I admit that this alarmism annoys me at times. Yet watching President Trump’s “Stop the Steal” campaign since Election Day, I can’t help but see a parallel to one of the most dreadful episodes from Germany’s history.

One hundred years ago, amid the implosions of Imperial Germany, powerful conservatives who led the country into war refused to accept that they had lost. Their denial gave birth to arguably the most potent and disastrous political lie of the 20th century — the Dolchstosslegende, or stab-in-the-back myth.

Its core claim was that Imperial Germany never lost World War I. Defeat, its proponents said, was declared but not warranted. It was a conspiracy, a con, a capitulation — a grave betrayal that forever stained the nation. That the claim was palpably false didn’t matter. Among a sizable number of Germans, it stirred resentment, humiliation and anger. And the one figure who knew best how to exploit their frustration was Adolf Hitler.

Don’t get me wrong: This is not about comparing Mr. Trump to Hitler, which would be absurd. But the Dolchstosslegende provides a warning. It’s tempting to dismiss Mr. Trump’s irrational claim that the election was “rigged” as a laughable last convulsion of his reign or a cynical bid to heighten the market value for the TV personality he might once again intend to become, especially as he appears to be giving up on his effort to overturn the election result.

But that would be a grave error. Instead, the campaign should be seen as what it is: an attempt to elevate “They stole it” to the level of legend, perhaps seeding for the future social polarization and division on a scale America has never seen.

In 1918, Germany was staring at defeat. The entry of the United States into the war the year before, and a sequence of successful counterattacks by British and French forces, left German forces demoralized. Navy sailors went on strike. They had no appetite to be butchered in the hopeless yet supposedly holy mission of Kaiser Wilhelm II and the loyal aristocrats who made up the Supreme Army Command.

A starving population joined the strikes and demands for a republic grew. On Nov. 9, 1918, Wilhelm abdicated, and two days later the army leaders signed the armistice. It was too much to bear for many: Military officers, monarchists and right-wingers spread the myth that if it had not been for political sabotage by Social Democrats and Jews back home, the army would never have had to give in.

The deceit found willing supporters. “Im Felde unbesiegt” — “undefeated on the battlefield” — was the slogan with which returning soldiers were greeted. Newspapers and postcards depicted German soldiers being stabbed in the back by either evil figures carrying the red flag of socialism or grossly caricatured Jews.

By the time of the Treaty of Versailles the following year, the myth was already well established. The harsh conditions imposed by the Allies, including painful reparation payments, burnished the sense of betrayal. It was especially incomprehensible that Germany, in just a couple of years, had gone from one of the world’s most respected nations to its biggest loser.

The startling aspect about the Dolchstosslegende is this: It did not grow weaker after 1918 but stronger. In the face of humiliation and unable or unwilling to cope with the truth, many Germans embarked on a disastrous self-delusion: The nation had been betrayed, but its honor and greatness could never be lost. And those without a sense of national duty and righteousness — the left and even the elected government of the new republic — could never be legitimate custodians of the country.

In this way, the myth was not just the sharp wedge that drove the Weimar Republic apart. It was also at the heart of Nazi propaganda, and instrumental in justifying violence against opponents. The key to Hitler’s success was that, by 1933, a considerable part of the German electorate had put the ideas embodied in the myth — honor, greatness, national pride — above democracy.

The Germans were so worn down by the lost war, unemployment and international humiliation that they fell prey to the promises of a “Führer” who cracked down hard on anyone perceived as “traitors,” leftists and Jews above all. The stab-in-the-back myth was central to it all. When Hitler became chancellor on Jan. 30, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Völkischer Beobachter wrote that “irrepressible pride goes through the millions” who fought so long to “undo the shame of 9 November 1918.”

Germany’s first democracy fell. Without a basic consensus built on a shared reality, society split into groups of ardent, uncompromising partisans. And in an atmosphere of mistrust and paranoia, the notion that dissenters were threats to the nation steadily took hold.

Alarmingly, that seems to be exactly what is happening in the United States today. According to the Pew Research Center, 89 percent of Trump supporters believe that a Joe Biden presidency would do “lasting harm to the U.S.,” while 90 percent of Biden supporters think the reverse. And while the question of which news media to trust has long split America, now even the largely un-moderated Twitter is regarded as partisan. Since the election, millions of Trump supporters have installed the alternative social media app Parler. Filter bubbles are turning into filter networks.

In such a landscape of social fragmentation, Mr. Trump’s baseless accusations about electoral fraud could do serious harm. A staggering 88 percent of Trump voters believe that the election result is illegitimate, according to a YouGov poll. A myth of betrayal and injustice is well underway.

It took another war and decades of reappraisal for the Dolchstosslegende to be exposed as a disastrous, fatal fallacy. If it has any worth today, it is in the lessons it can teach other nations. First among them: Beware the beginnings."

While not an exact replica it appears to be common enough parallel for people to pay attention to the current situation here in America.

[seacoaster]

Kismet, thanks for posting that opinion piece. Agreed, the GOP drift to authoritarianism may seem overstated o a lot of people, but the last three weeks make it clearer than ever that the party is hostile to free and open elections, and altogether open to continued efforts to suppress. The growing myth -- fueled by the faux journalism of Maria Bartiromo and many others -- that the election was a fraud will stick among a large group of the 74 million. And its principal use will be to make it harder for people to vote.

[ardilla secreta]

I was skeptical of the fraud claims until I came upon this.
https://howbidenstoletheelection.com/?f ... vq_XoSaAqQ

[RedFromMI]

I was skeptical of the fraud claims until I came upon this.
https://howbidenstoletheelection.com/?f ... vq_XoSaAqQ

[MDlaxfan76]

Kismet, thanks for posting that opinion piece. Agreed, the GOP drift to authoritarianism may seem overstated o a lot of people, but the last three weeks make it clearer than ever that the party is hostile to free and open elections, and altogether open to continued efforts to suppress. The growing myth -- fueled by the faux journalism of Maria Bartiromo and many others -- that the election was a fraud will stick among a large group of the 74 million. And its principal use will be to make it harder for people to vote.

I've been pilloried on here for years as an alarmist, but IMO the author is correct to warn us of these dangers.

"It can't happen here" is a crock.

[RedFromMI]

Kismet, thanks for posting that opinion piece. Agreed, the GOP drift to authoritarianism may seem overstated o a lot of people, but the last three weeks make it clearer than ever that the party is hostile to free and open elections, and altogether open to continued efforts to suppress. The growing myth -- fueled by the faux journalism of Maria Bartiromo and many others -- that the election was a fraud will stick among a large group of the 74 million. And its principal use will be to make it harder for people to vote.

I've been pilloried on here for years as an alarmist, but IMO the author is correct to warn us of these dangers.

"It can't happen here" is a crock.

And in fact it will be painful to eliminate it - and if we as a society do not do so, we will be in trouble.