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Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:26 pm
by Lax Mouse
DeepPocket wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:00 pm Brennan F***ing O’Neill
Amazing what happens when he's kept on the field and allowed to play his game :roll:

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:19 pm
by stupefied
Whips should have drafted Pat Kavanaugh

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2024 11:28 am
by stupefied
Chaos hung in with Atlas despite playing 2nd game within 24 hrs. Kaut has played well in Riordan's absence and Hennisburg has elevated his play with move back to attack. Chaos offense was not firing on all cylinders yesterday but I'm still surprised how quickly they have integrated all the new faces on that end while changing on the fly their approach. Lot of speed on offense . For Atlas Shellenberger has made a huge difference bringing out the best in Dickson and Teat while Aiken and Carpenter have been huge additions. Former surprises given layoff while latter doesn't. Came away from viewing thinking both teams are legit contenders , just would have preferred seeing this game with equal rest .
1st half of Cannons Whips was not well played , Cannons with plenty of good looks in 1h but sloppy with so many shots off while Krebs played very well on those on goal. Their o flow and transition was better in 2h with Nolting hitting cutters several times with Whips d ball watching . Coordination of Cannons d was off in 1h but tightened up considerably in 2h with Kirst in rthymn . Holman was standout and Tucci held own vs Nardella. Whips offense had problem generating up top with Dordevic and Smith out and their transition game is non existent. Malone injects some speed and creativity to a team lacking such, expect defenses to focus more on him if others not winning matchups.

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:30 pm
by stupefied
Hope Im not suppressing any discussion with my impressions of games/teams. Deeper takes of lax mouse, deep pocket n others are always good reads.

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2024 8:44 pm
by lorin
stupefied wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:30 pm Hope Im not suppressing any discussion with my impressions of games/teams. Deeper takes of lax mouse, deep pocket n others are always good reads.
Well I am sure this is a one and done with the 2 games a weekend for home team, After Friday night game ONEil is the one kids want to see , well Denver has a bye this weekend and no game following week. can’t happen again every team needs to play in each town period stop.

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:11 pm
by Unknown Participant
lorin wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 8:44 pm
stupefied wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:30 pm Hope Im not suppressing any discussion with my impressions of games/teams. Deeper takes of lax mouse, deep pocket n others are always good reads.
Well I am sure this is a one and done with the 2 games a weekend for home team, After Friday night game ONEil is the one kids want to see , well Denver has a bye this weekend and no game following week. can’t happen again every team needs to play in each town period stop.
Agreed. O'Neil was ridiculous. Every Duke game I watched I wanted the same thing. It's crazy how misused he was in college if he could do that against the best pro defenders.

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2024 11:03 pm
by Lax Mouse
stupefied wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:30 pm Hope Im not suppressing any discussion with my impressions of games/teams. Deeper takes of lax mouse, deep pocket n others are always good reads.
Your recaps and thoughts are greatly appreciated!

Only game I was able to see this weekend was Archers/Outlaws. Will try time to watch highlights of the other games during the week.

As much as I love the league, summer schedules make it tough to watch sometimes. Hopefully there'll be some weekends where I have nothing to do and can just relax and watch everything

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:08 pm
by stupefied
Thx LM , Ive unfortunately never played lax so lacking those experiences of others who have and can share, do draw from the three mainstream sports played in my day and watching lax for over twenty years but most of my friends dont. The nuances and subtleties gained from others enhance my enjoyment of watches .Game has parallels and distinctions that make it appealing, could see sport eventually becoming mainstream with wider participation across spectrum. .

PLL season only two weeks in, early impressions regardless of current records, Top to bottom, Atlas turnaround appears sustainable as long as Shellenberger remains healthy. Really coming together across the board faster than most anyone thought . Have to be considered top dawgs currently along with talented and experienced Waterdogs who have many strengths and few weaknesses, g Ward adjustment from NLL to field play began to show in 2h . Cannon face-off tactics last year lessened by rule change , up top d may need tinkering but Kielty injury hinders flexibility, their O spacing off to date but will improve. Chaos performances likely fluctuates but o more diversified and appears more explosive despite losing the Smiths . Archers have some small cracks that may become larger, as seen in Outlaw contest, the superb Dobson can only mitigate so much .Redwoods roster is somewhat overlooked , they have the pieces to be more than competitive, though their refresh may take some time. Whips O missing Dordevic and Smith with their returns unknown so several lifts needed, sense they could be at somewhat of a crossroad. Outlaws exciting comeback may mark the beginning of a turn but remain skeptical pending further proof that win was beyond a BO performance for the ages

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:17 pm
by DeepPocket
stupefied wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:08 pm Thx LM , Ive unfortunately never played lax so lacking those experiences of others who have and can share, do draw from the three mainstream sports played in my day and watching lax for over twenty years but most of my friends dont. The nuances and subtleties gained from others enhance my enjoyment of watches .Game has parallels and distinctions that make it appealing, could see sport eventually becoming mainstream with wider participation across spectrum. .

PLL season only two weeks in, early impressions regardless of current records, Top to bottom, Atlas turnaround appears sustainable as long as Shellenberger remains healthy. Really coming together across the board faster than most anyone thought . Have to be considered top dawgs currently along with talented and experienced Waterdogs who have many strengths and few weaknesses, g Ward adjustment from NLL to field play began to show in 2h . Cannon face-off tactics last year lessened by rule change , up top d may need tinkering but Kielty injury hinders flexibility, their O spacing off to date but will improve. Chaos performances likely fluctuates but o more diversified and appears more explosive despite losing the Smiths . Archers have some small cracks that may become larger, as seen in Outlaw contest, the superb Dobson can only mitigate so much .Redwoods roster is somewhat overlooked , they have the pieces to be more than competitive, though their refresh may take some time. Whips O missing Dordevic and Smith with their returns unknown so several lifts needed, sense they could be at somewhat of a crossroad. Outlaws exciting comeback may mark the beginning of a turn but remain skeptical pending further proof that win was beyond a BO performance for the ages
I enjoy your takes. Keep them coming.

Goalie controversy in Carolina?
*If* Blaze says he’s 100%, do you take the crease away from Kaut after his strong performance last week?
How long a leash does Blaze get if he starts and is shaky at first?

(Love Blaze, just see a potential story-line to chat up)

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:25 am
by lorin
DeepPocket wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:17 pm
stupefied wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 12:08 pm Thx LM , Ive unfortunately never played lax so lacking those experiences of others who have and can share, do draw from the three mainstream sports played in my day and watching lax for over twenty years but most of my friends dont. The nuances and subtleties gained from others enhance my enjoyment of watches .Game has parallels and distinctions that make it appealing, could see sport eventually becoming mainstream with wider participation across spectrum. .

PLL season only two weeks in, early impressions regardless of current records, Top to bottom, Atlas turnaround appears sustainable as long as Shellenberger remains healthy. Really coming together across the board faster than most anyone thought . Have to be considered top dawgs currently along with talented and experienced Waterdogs who have many strengths and few weaknesses, g Ward adjustment from NLL to field play began to show in 2h . Cannon face-off tactics last year lessened by rule change , up top d may need tinkering but Kielty injury hinders flexibility, their O spacing off to date but will improve. Chaos performances likely fluctuates but o more diversified and appears more explosive despite losing the Smiths . Archers have some small cracks that may become larger, as seen in Outlaw contest, the superb Dobson can only mitigate so much .Redwoods roster is somewhat overlooked , they have the pieces to be more than competitive, though their refresh may take some time. Whips O missing Dordevic and Smith with their returns unknown so several lifts needed, sense they could be at somewhat of a crossroad. Outlaws exciting comeback may mark the beginning of a turn but remain skeptical pending further proof that win was beyond a BO performance for the ages
I enjoy your takes. Keep them coming.

Goalie controversy in Carolina?
*If* Blaze says he’s 100%, do you take the crease away from Kaut after his strong performance last week?
How long a leash does Blaze get if he starts and is shaky at first?

(Love Blaze, just see a potential story-line to chat up)
Only way Blaze comes out of game, is if he takes himself out no way they would pull him.

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:06 pm
by Lax Mouse
Agreed! stupefied, love hearing your thoughts!

Also agree that Blaze should get the start tonight if he's healthy.

Missed the first game but watching the replay now. Can't believe Waterdogs are still going without a FOGO. Really can't believe we're still using football lines on a professional lacrosse field. Did the same week one and I may be dramatic but I really think it detracts from the experience.

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2024 7:40 pm
by Lax Mouse
Archers Team Defense is really not playing well as a unit at this point of the season.

Dobson is being left out to dry, Bond is having a particularly rough first half.

Really calls into question the trade of Conners.

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:35 am
by lorin
Lax Mouse wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 7:40 pm Archers Team Defense is really not playing well as a unit at this point of the season.

Dobson is being left out to dry, Bond is having a particularly rough first half.

Really calls into question the trade of Conners.
The PLL needs have Joe Beninati call all the games , he actually calls the game and tells stories in between plays, crew yesterday thought it was a podcast.

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:08 am
by GoldEagle13
Agreed

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:42 am
by stupefied
Took in all four games in person but just going to comment for now on Waterdogs idiocy is not adjusting to Rabil's annual face-off tinkering.


Dogs might be 3-0 instead of 0-3 if they were using a fogo On Saturday former waterdog Zac Tucci who was released by them last year owned/won the game for Cannons by scoring three goals including the overtime game winner. His two pt goal at end of 1h was flukish but he was a threat all day while Dogs foolishly tired out Currier for the second straight game by having him actually try to win face-offs including the single one in overtime. Cannons who also didnt use a fogo last year adjusted after seeing the ineffectiveness of continuing without a specialist after rule change prohibiting pole .
Yesterday, dogs basically decided to concede every face-off and Nardella goes 31-31 without any resistance as dogs play their wing pole way down the line to prevent Nardella from fast breaking Whips in return smartly put two offensive mids on wings to have their full offensive contingent after each and every win. In settled situations dogs d actually played well , they were actually bested yesterday by Whips transitioning.

Meanwhile fans were disgruntled and BORED out of their mind watching dogs concede every face-off . Lax is marketed as the fastest game but this really distracted from enjoying the game as it is meant to be played .

Tierney says he has a fogo in wait in Stahahkis but there are a plethora of decent fogos that could/should have been be used in the interim.

Rabil for his part may have intended to minimize the impact of a top fogo on game but present tinker is flawed and taking away from play and watch


I personally enjoy face-offs and scrums . To me 52 seconds was enuff balancing .

Rabid imo needs imo to either revert fully back or at least increase the shot clock on face-offs by ten seconds to 42 and allow teams to use whatever.

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:42 am
by Lax Mouse
stupefied wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:42 am Took in all four games in person but just going to comment for now on Waterdogs idiocy is not adjusting to Rabil's annual face-off tinkering.


Dogs might be 3-0 instead of 0-3 if they were using a fogo
The Waterdogs are certainly a perplexing case and you're 100% correct - it starts with the FO but midfield production has been lacking as well. But I do think that issue is in part due to limited touches on offense and opportunities to create consistency.

Tierney could be playing the long game - with almost all teams making the playoffs there's probably no huge rush or sense of urgency. It's doubtful to me that they'll be in last place by season's end. They're learning to play a style of lacrosse that will help them in tough games down the road, but at some point they'll need to pull together some wins, and they'll need a FO guy to do it.

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:51 am
by Lax Mouse
A couple of player moves this week that have the potential to change the season.

Cormier and Stevens now available for the Atlas. They'll only get even stronger, but who do you take out of the line up to get them in? Jacoby? Molloy? Both have had moments of strong play this year. Bowering is likely relegated to the bench for the remainder of the season I'd imagine. He played okay but now finds himself in one of the most crowded offensive groups in the league. Not to mention that Law could return later this season as well (I think, I don't know if his full prognosis was put in writing anywhere).

Waterdogs have Hannah back which should be a boon for their midfield woes. Mazzone was released and if I'm the Redwoods I'm snatching him up ASAP. Archers could give him a look too but they've got Hossack back which will likely drastically improve their stock the rest of the season. Their defense has been tough to watch.

Archers also now have Dyson Williams available. With the periods of stagnancy their offense has experienced in games, a fresh option might do them wonders.

Donville is back for the Cannons as well.

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 6:53 pm
by DeepPocket
Lax Mouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:51 am A couple of player moves this week that have the potential to change the season.

Cormier and Stevens now available for the Atlas. They'll only get even stronger, but who do you take out of the line up to get them in? Jacoby? Molloy? Both have had moments of strong play this year. Bowering is likely relegated to the bench for the remainder of the season I'd imagine. He played okay but now finds himself in one of the most crowded offensive groups in the league. Not to mention that Law could return later this season as well (I think, I don't know if his full prognosis was put in writing anywhere).

Waterdogs have Hannah back which should be a boon for their midfield woes. Mazzone was released and if I'm the Redwoods I'm snatching him up ASAP. Archers could give him a look too but they've got Hossack back which will likely drastically improve their stock the rest of the season. Their defense has been tough to watch.

Archers also now have Dyson Williams available. With the periods of stagnancy their offense has experienced in games, a fresh option might do them wonders.

Donville is back for the Cannons as well.
Nice write-up on these moves. With Stathakis back for Philly, the question is who, if anyone, comes out for him?

As frustrating as the painfully deliberate time-release of, pretty much everything that the PLL does is, they worked this league wide bye weekend rather well. Timing it for the Canadian player availability release, and dropping AMAZING looking NA heritage jerseys, have kept them relevant in the timelines of those that cared to follow in the first place.

Top pick for the best NA Jersey? I might have to go archers. It’s a beaut.

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 7:13 am
by lorin
DeepPocket wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 6:53 pm
Lax Mouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:51 am A couple of player moves this week that have the potential to change the season.

Cormier and Stevens now available for the Atlas. They'll only get even stronger, but who do you take out of the line up to get them in? Jacoby? Molloy? Both have had moments of strong play this year. Bowering is likely relegated to the bench for the remainder of the season I'd imagine. He played okay but now finds himself in one of the most crowded offensive groups in the league. Not to mention that Law could return later this season as well (I think, I don't know if his full prognosis was put in writing anywhere).

Waterdogs have Hannah back which should be a boon for their midfield woes. Mazzone was released and if I'm the Redwoods I'm snatching him up ASAP. Archers could give him a look too but they've got Hossack back which will likely drastically improve their stock the rest of the season. Their defense has been tough to watch.

Archers also now have Dyson Williams available. With the periods of stagnancy their offense has experienced in games, a fresh option might do them wonders.

Donville is back for the Cannons as well.
Nice write-up on these moves. With Stathakis back for Philly, the question is who, if anyone, comes out for him?

As frustrating as the painfully deliberate time-release of, pretty much everything that the PLL does is, they worked this league wide bye weekend rather well. Timing it for the Canadian player availability release, and dropping AMAZING looking NA heritage jerseys, have kept them relevant in the timelines of those that cared to follow in the first place.

Top pick for the best NA Jersey? I might have to go archers. It’s a beaut.
It seems like PLL only promotes the rookies they treat Logan W and Gray like they are over the hill its amazing to watch. Again last years Covid draft is a combination of some kids from 2022, 2023,2024 graduating classes. you will not see a class like that again .Next years draft will not be great.

Re: PLL 2024

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 6:07 pm
by Lax Mouse
lorin wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 7:13 am
DeepPocket wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 6:53 pm
Lax Mouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:51 am A couple of player moves this week that have the potential to change the season.

Cormier and Stevens now available for the Atlas. They'll only get even stronger, but who do you take out of the line up to get them in? Jacoby? Molloy? Both have had moments of strong play this year. Bowering is likely relegated to the bench for the remainder of the season I'd imagine. He played okay but now finds himself in one of the most crowded offensive groups in the league. Not to mention that Law could return later this season as well (I think, I don't know if his full prognosis was put in writing anywhere).

Waterdogs have Hannah back which should be a boon for their midfield woes. Mazzone was released and if I'm the Redwoods I'm snatching him up ASAP. Archers could give him a look too but they've got Hossack back which will likely drastically improve their stock the rest of the season. Their defense has been tough to watch.

Archers also now have Dyson Williams available. With the periods of stagnancy their offense has experienced in games, a fresh option might do them wonders.

Donville is back for the Cannons as well.
Nice write-up on these moves. With Stathakis back for Philly, the question is who, if anyone, comes out for him?

As frustrating as the painfully deliberate time-release of, pretty much everything that the PLL does is, they worked this league wide bye weekend rather well. Timing it for the Canadian player availability release, and dropping AMAZING looking NA heritage jerseys, have kept them relevant in the timelines of those that cared to follow in the first place.

Top pick for the best NA Jersey? I might have to go archers. It’s a beaut.
It seems like PLL only promotes the rookies they treat Logan W and Gray like they are over the hill its amazing to watch. Again last years Covid draft is a combination of some kids from 2022, 2023,2024 graduating classes. you will not see a class like that again .Next years draft will not be great.
I think it's a combo of lack of resources from a coverage perspective and the limited roster spots/wealth of talent. Only so many games in a season and so many players who can see the field. Very much a "who's been hot lately" type of coverage. Media is also desperate for superstars they can build their narrative around, and to your point they don't look often outside of that narrative.