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wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:09 pm the crazy takes are only going to get hotter, folks!!!

the end of acc lacrosse! bc the domers, the only acc squad that (checks notes) has zero championships!

taking on umd and rutgers really changed everything in college sports!

i vividly remember almost a decade ago all the prognostications for the imminent death of nc$$ everything not b1g and sec. and yet, here we are.

jrn19 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:10 pm Big Ten isn't going to stand pat at 16. They're gonna go for Notre Dame, and probably get them, and if Stanford would like to jump on board they'll gladly take them. Oregon and Washington also could join as well. It's a race to 20 for the B1G and SEC. ACC is going to get raided

OCanada wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:41 pm Currently there is some talk of the ACC teams going to the B1G slong with a number of PAC 10 and other teams

LaxFan2000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:46 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:10 pm Big Ten isn't going to stand pat at 16. They're gonna go for Notre Dame, and probably get them, and if Stanford would like to jump on board they'll gladly take them. Oregon and Washington also could join as well. It's a race to 20 for the B1G and SEC. ACC is going to get raided

ACC has leverage, UNC and DUKE Basketball. The two premier programs in the sport.

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:34 pm Even if “ACC” lacrosse continues, what purpose is there to a four-team conference?

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:56 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:34 pm Even if “ACC” lacrosse continues, what purpose is there to a four-team conference?

What purpose is there to a five-team conference?

LaxFan2000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:46 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:10 pm Big Ten isn't going to stand pat at 16. They're gonna go for Notre Dame, and probably get them, and if Stanford would like to jump on board they'll gladly take them. Oregon and Washington also could join as well. It's a race to 20 for the B1G and SEC. ACC is going to get raided

ACC has leverage, UNC and DUKE Basketball. The two premier programs in the sport.

1766 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:16 pm

LaxFan2000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:46 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:10 pm Big Ten isn't going to stand pat at 16. They're gonna go for Notre Dame, and probably get them, and if Stanford would like to jump on board they'll gladly take them. Oregon and Washington also could join as well. It's a race to 20 for the B1G and SEC. ACC is going to get raided

ACC has leverage, UNC and DUKE Basketball. The two premier programs in the sport.

Acc has zero leverage. Their basketball teams aren't moving the needle. Their media rights deal is not in the same ballpark as the SEC/B1G.

With USC/UCLA now officially in the Big Ten, the yearly payout per school is going to be at least 2x-3x what the Acc makes. It's not sustainable to compete with those programs if you aren't in one of those two conferences.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:56 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:34 pm Even if “ACC” lacrosse continues, what purpose is there to a four-team conference?

What purpose is there to a five-team conference?

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:34 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:09 pm the crazy takes are only going to get hotter, folks!!!

the end of acc lacrosse! bc the domers, the only acc squad that (checks notes) has zero championships!

taking on umd and rutgers really changed everything in college sports!

i vividly remember almost a decade ago all the prognostications for the imminent death of nc$$ everything not b1g and sec. and yet, here we are.

If, as many expect, Notre Dame takes its entire show to the B1G, that leaves four “ACC” teams. Virginia, Syracuse, North Carolina, and Duke will continue playing lacrosse, of course, but they won’t be doing it in an ACC lacrosse conference. Even if “ACC” lacrosse continues, what purpose is there to a four-team conference?

Frankly, I think those four teams will soon be begging to join the B1G or SEC. I don’t think this mass consolidation is going to end with football. I suspect the B1G and SEC are also eyeing basketball dominance … essentially eliminating the NCAA from the picture.

DocBarrister

1766 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:16 pm

LaxFan2000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:46 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:10 pm Big Ten isn't going to stand pat at 16. They're gonna go for Notre Dame, and probably get them, and if Stanford would like to jump on board they'll gladly take them. Oregon and Washington also could join as well. It's a race to 20 for the B1G and SEC. ACC is going to get raided

ACC has leverage, UNC and DUKE Basketball. The two premier programs in the sport.

Acc has zero leverage. Their basketball teams aren't moving the needle. Their media rights deal is not in the same ballpark as the SEC/B1G.

With USC/UCLA now officially in the Big Ten, the yearly payout per school is going to be at least 2x-3x what the Acc makes. It's not sustainable to compete with those programs if you aren't in one of those two conferences.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:25 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:34 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:09 pm the crazy takes are only going to get hotter, folks!!!

the end of acc lacrosse! bc the domers, the only acc squad that (checks notes) has zero championships!

taking on umd and rutgers really changed everything in college sports!

i vividly remember almost a decade ago all the prognostications for the imminent death of nc$$ everything not b1g and sec. and yet, here we are.

If, as many expect, Notre Dame takes its entire show to the B1G, that leaves four “ACC” teams. Virginia, Syracuse, North Carolina, and Duke will continue playing lacrosse, of course, but they won’t be doing it in an ACC lacrosse conference. Even if “ACC” lacrosse continues, what purpose is there to a four-team conference?

Frankly, I think those four teams will soon be begging to join the B1G or SEC. I don’t think this mass consolidation is going to end with football. I suspect the B1G and SEC are also eyeing basketball dominance … essentially eliminating the NCAA from the picture.

DocBarrister

thanks, this is exactly what i meant.

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:38 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:25 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:34 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:09 pm the crazy takes are only going to get hotter, folks!!!

the end of acc lacrosse! bc the domers, the only acc squad that (checks notes) has zero championships!

taking on umd and rutgers really changed everything in college sports!

i vividly remember almost a decade ago all the prognostications for the imminent death of nc$$ everything not b1g and sec. and yet, here we are.

If, as many expect, Notre Dame takes its entire show to the B1G, that leaves four “ACC” teams. Virginia, Syracuse, North Carolina, and Duke will continue playing lacrosse, of course, but they won’t be doing it in an ACC lacrosse conference. Even if “ACC” lacrosse continues, what purpose is there to a four-team conference?

Frankly, I think those four teams will soon be begging to join the B1G or SEC. I don’t think this mass consolidation is going to end with football. I suspect the B1G and SEC are also eyeing basketball dominance … essentially eliminating the NCAA from the picture.

DocBarrister

thanks, this is exactly what i meant.

ACC will be raided, and will then need to merge with at least one other conference.

There is already speculation of the remnants of the PAC12 merging with whatever remains of the Big12. Whatever remains of the ACC may want to join that PAC12/Big12 conference.

DocBarrister

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:40 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:38 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:25 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:34 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:09 pm the crazy takes are only going to get hotter, folks!!!

the end of acc lacrosse! bc the domers, the only acc squad that (checks notes) has zero championships!

taking on umd and rutgers really changed everything in college sports!

i vividly remember almost a decade ago all the prognostications for the imminent death of nc$$ everything not b1g and sec. and yet, here we are.

If, as many expect, Notre Dame takes its entire show to the B1G, that leaves four “ACC” teams. Virginia, Syracuse, North Carolina, and Duke will continue playing lacrosse, of course, but they won’t be doing it in an ACC lacrosse conference. Even if “ACC” lacrosse continues, what purpose is there to a four-team conference?

Frankly, I think those four teams will soon be begging to join the B1G or SEC. I don’t think this mass consolidation is going to end with football. I suspect the B1G and SEC are also eyeing basketball dominance … essentially eliminating the NCAA from the picture.

DocBarrister

thanks, this is exactly what i meant.

ACC will be raided, and will then need to merge with at least one other conference.

There is already speculation of the remnants of the PAC12 merging with whatever remains of the Big12. Whatever remains of the ACC may want to join that PAC12/Big12 conference.

DocBarrister

any stock tips?

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:37 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:16 pm

LaxFan2000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:46 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:10 pm Big Ten isn't going to stand pat at 16. They're gonna go for Notre Dame, and probably get them, and if Stanford would like to jump on board they'll gladly take them. Oregon and Washington also could join as well. It's a race to 20 for the B1G and SEC. ACC is going to get raided

ACC has leverage, UNC and DUKE Basketball. The two premier programs in the sport.

Acc has zero leverage. Their basketball teams aren't moving the needle. Their media rights deal is not in the same ballpark as the SEC/B1G.

With USC/UCLA now officially in the Big Ten, the yearly payout per school is going to be at least 2x-3x what the Acc makes. It's not sustainable to compete with those programs if you aren't in one of those two conferences.

the acc's 1st contract in 2012 was for 12 years with look ins @ 2017 and 2022. they tore up the contract and got a new one in 2016.
this new one has look ins every 5 years, but i believe they pushed the 1st one out (to this year?) because the acc network had a late launch and comcast just came on board.

they also had all schools sign a pretty ironclad grant of rights in 2015 or 2016. there isn't just one possible scenario here, no matter how much fans of other conferences want it so.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:37 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:16 pm

LaxFan2000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:46 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:10 pm Big Ten isn't going to stand pat at 16. They're gonna go for Notre Dame, and probably get them, and if Stanford would like to jump on board they'll gladly take them. Oregon and Washington also could join as well. It's a race to 20 for the B1G and SEC. ACC is going to get raided

ACC has leverage, UNC and DUKE Basketball. The two premier programs in the sport.

Acc has zero leverage. Their basketball teams aren't moving the needle. Their media rights deal is not in the same ballpark as the SEC/B1G.

With USC/UCLA now officially in the Big Ten, the yearly payout per school is going to be at least 2x-3x what the Acc makes. It's not sustainable to compete with those programs if you aren't in one of those two conferences.

the acc's 1st contract in 2012 was for 12 years with look ins @ 2017 and 2022. they tore up the contract and got a new one in 2016.
this new one has look ins every 5 years, but i believe they pushed the 1st one out (to this year?) because the acc network had a late launch and comcast just came on board.

they also had all schools sign a pretty ironclad grant of rights in 2015 or 2016. there isn't just one possible scenario here, no matter how much fans of other conferences want it so.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:40 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:38 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:25 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:34 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:09 pm the crazy takes are only going to get hotter, folks!!!

the end of acc lacrosse! bc the domers, the only acc squad that (checks notes) has zero championships!

taking on umd and rutgers really changed everything in college sports!

i vividly remember almost a decade ago all the prognostications for the imminent death of nc$$ everything not b1g and sec. and yet, here we are.

If, as many expect, Notre Dame takes its entire show to the B1G, that leaves four “ACC” teams. Virginia, Syracuse, North Carolina, and Duke will continue playing lacrosse, of course, but they won’t be doing it in an ACC lacrosse conference. Even if “ACC” lacrosse continues, what purpose is there to a four-team conference?

Frankly, I think those four teams will soon be begging to join the B1G or SEC. I don’t think this mass consolidation is going to end with football. I suspect the B1G and SEC are also eyeing basketball dominance … essentially eliminating the NCAA from the picture.

DocBarrister

thanks, this is exactly what i meant.

ACC will be raided, and will then need to merge with at least one other conference.

There is already speculation of the remnants of the PAC12 merging with whatever remains of the Big12. Whatever remains of the ACC may want to join that PAC12/Big12 conference.

DocBarrister

any stock tips?

1766 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:03 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:37 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:16 pm

LaxFan2000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:46 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:10 pm Big Ten isn't going to stand pat at 16. They're gonna go for Notre Dame, and probably get them, and if Stanford would like to jump on board they'll gladly take them. Oregon and Washington also could join as well. It's a race to 20 for the B1G and SEC. ACC is going to get raided

ACC has leverage, UNC and DUKE Basketball. The two premier programs in the sport.

Acc has zero leverage. Their basketball teams aren't moving the needle. Their media rights deal is not in the same ballpark as the SEC/B1G.

With USC/UCLA now officially in the Big Ten, the yearly payout per school is going to be at least 2x-3x what the Acc makes. It's not sustainable to compete with those programs if you aren't in one of those two conferences.

the acc's 1st contract in 2012 was for 12 years with look ins @ 2017 and 2022. they tore up the contract and got a new one in 2016.
this new one has look ins every 5 years, but i believe they pushed the 1st one out (to this year?) because the acc network had a late launch and comcast just came on board.

they also had all schools sign a pretty ironclad grant of rights in 2015 or 2016. there isn't just one possible scenario here, no matter how much fans of other conferences want it so.

The Big 12 has a GOR. That didn't stop Texas and Oklahoma. It won't stop Acc schools who want out either.

Unc and Uva bring new markets and fit the profile of Big Ten schools. Those are two schools I wouldn't be shocked if they moved. The other piece from an Acc standpoint is Notre Dame. Their football independence just got squeezed significantly.