Socialism

[Farfromgeneva]

Agreed on Reagan or anyone, I only deify my kids because of their innocence and interest in learning. Everyone else is just a bunch of people to me. That is a lesson I learned in my 20s when I started to get exposed to known people of status in public in various fields. Big let down for a guy who grew up lower middle class in Broome Co, NY but a valuable and necessary lesson.

I also agree that if I believed in human “greatness” or “exceptionalism” one of the defining characteristics would be response in times of stress, maintaining principles (though with an open mind to changing information on a topic) and transparently doing what is necessary.

[Brooklyn]

Who also tried to turn the presidency into his permanent office by eliminating term limits...

Republican schemes including voter suppression and gerrymandering have accomplished what FDR failed to do. At least his vote margins and electoral votes were legit unlike what we see nowadays. As a consequence they have packed the Supreme Court with right wing delusionals who rubber stamp the pro war anti-America and pro elite agenda the right wing is known for.

[Farfromgeneva]

See but while this isn’t defending any of those actions what I read is “but, but the other side did it too”. Doesn’t feel very productive to having a discussion that hopes to achieve anything tangible. Maybe that’s not the point here though I suppose. Just an outlet to rant and vent frustrations.

[Bandito]

Socialism has caused over 100 million deaths worldwide in the 20th century alone. And you all think it’s a great idea! Democrats are socialists plain and simple

[Farfromgeneva]

Coming out guns blazing. Just don’t shoot yourself like Cheddar Bob.

[youthathletics]

Coming out guns blazing. Just don’t shoot yourself like Cheddar Bob.

[Peter Brown]

Socialism has caused over 100 million deaths worldwide in the 20th century alone. And you all think it’s a great idea! Democrats are socialists plain and simple

I think we learned in this election cycle that the 'socialist' wing of the D Party is probably smaller than previously believed, though still a force. I put it around 30% of the D Party.

What you can say is that a majority of the D Party is certainly sympathetic to socialism, but I do not think most are quite there yet. Events like Covid-19 will convince some of those on the fence to embrace socialism.

America has always been and will always be a country for strong individualists, high achievers, not collectivist schemers. This is our heritage. We have had such a great last 40 years, creating the best companies the world has ever seen, creating the sum wealth of every other nation combined into just one country.

As Republicans, we need to listen to the thoughts and feelings of those who do not make that grade, and frankly we need to carry them. The exchange is our freedom for their burden, otherwise, revolution, and we do not want that.

We are headed to a two-tiered medical system, whereby 50% or more of Americans will go on a M4A plan...this will be substandard care, but if you do not want to pay for premium care, you will have that option. Social Security will become almost a standard birthright, and my guess is unemployment benefits will be more like Yang;'s UBI.

The fight is eternal, to keep those who leech from rebelling against those who make it, by offering them just enough to keep them content while not bankrupting a society and economy. It's the coming divide in America. It can be managed, but you need to be honest about what it is, and honest about the fine line between permanent welfare and class war.

[Farfromgeneva]

The divide is here. It came with the last crisis. It's just hard to see if you aren't looking. Upstate NY offers a lot of opportunities to see it, Corning/Elmira area, Syracuse area, even Rochester area which I always considered 2nd strongest in the state outside NYC and ahead of Albany despite the steady floor of state gov't there. Suburbs have become exurbs and downtowns look like a middle east war zone. Ripping off a client CFO at a bank that was HQ'd in Gastonia, NC (a sort of suburb of Charlotte) as we walked to lunch down the block "welcome to beruit". Check Kocsiusko or Tupelo MS, Winston Salem or Greensboro, NC, Roanoke, VA etc. I've run all around a dozen or states seeing community and regional banks and there's pain everywhere.

I'm for less involvement in life by gov't generally but one has to acknowledge that pure capitalism to it's extreme leads to feudalism. Arguably the "single family rental" business that was institutionalized post crisis is akin to it.

[Peter Brown]

The divide is here. It came with the last crisis. It's just hard to see if you aren't looking. Upstate NY offers a lot of opportunities to see it, Corning/Elmira area, Syracuse area, even Rochester area which I always considered 2nd strongest in the state outside NYC and ahead of Albany despite the steady floor of state gov't there. Suburbs have become exurbs and downtowns look like a middle east war zone. Ripping off a client CFO at a bank that was HQ'd in Gastonia, NC (a sort of suburb of Charlotte) as we walked to lunch down the block "welcome to beruit". Check Kocsiusko or Tupelo MS, Winston Salem or Greensboro, NC, Roanoke, VA etc. I've run all around a dozen or states seeing community and regional banks and there's pain everywhere.

I'm for less involvement in life by gov't generally but one has to acknowledge that pure capitalism to it's extreme leads to feudalism. Arguably the "single family rental" business that was institutionalized post crisis is akin to it.

This is a topic I am immensely fascinated with.

I have been to upstate NY many times. I think some of this country's greatest treasures are up that way, namely, the Adirondack Mountains. But also the rolling hills further upstate, with incredible angus and holstein farms. To me the only real downsides are taxes and the grey skies.

But I do feel like the country writ large always needs to keep an eye on those who do not fare as well and do something about them; this is a key part of my being. By the way, in my previous post I used a word I'd like to take back: "leech". I was being too fast writing; that word is not one I want to use. What I mean simply is dependency. Permanent dependency is soul-sucking, and no one wins.

In my state, the church is an integral part of community help, whereas we do not tend to look to government to help. That seems to be changing, as more northerners migrate here. But dotting the roads of Florida are mega-churches, where I promise you, anyone can go and get a meal any day, and they help you get back on your feet.

I don't know how to get upstate NY back on its feet, but I do note that one of the great business success stories in America is Chobani. Also, Corning is up that way, and Corning is just an amazing company.

[Brooklyn]

Socialism has caused over 100 million deaths worldwide in the 20th century alone. And you all think it’s a great idea! Democrats are socialists plain and simple

Funny, though, how it was Republican Wall Street that financed the Bolsheviks:

https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sut ... tion-5.pdf


Even conservative Antony Sutton knew it.


As did communist Robert Minor:

[Farfromgeneva]

The divide is here. It came with the last crisis. It's just hard to see if you aren't looking. Upstate NY offers a lot of opportunities to see it, Corning/Elmira area, Syracuse area, even Rochester area which I always considered 2nd strongest in the state outside NYC and ahead of Albany despite the steady floor of state gov't there. Suburbs have become exurbs and downtowns look like a middle east war zone. Ripping off a client CFO at a bank that was HQ'd in Gastonia, NC (a sort of suburb of Charlotte) as we walked to lunch down the block "welcome to beruit". Check Kocsiusko or Tupelo MS, Winston Salem or Greensboro, NC, Roanoke, VA etc. I've run all around a dozen or states seeing community and regional banks and there's pain everywhere.

I'm for less involvement in life by gov't generally but one has to acknowledge that pure capitalism to it's extreme leads to feudalism. Arguably the "single family rental" business that was institutionalized post crisis is akin to it.

This is a topic I am immensely fascinated with.

I have been to upstate NY many times. I think some of this country's greatest treasures are up that way, namely, the Adirondack Mountains. But also the rolling hills further upstate, with incredible angus and holstein farms. To me the only real downsides are taxes and the grey skies.

But I do feel like the country writ large always needs to keep an eye on those who do not fare as well and do something about them; this is a key part of my being. By the way, in my previous post I used a word I'd like to take back: "leech". I was being too fast writing; that word is not one I want to use. What I mean simply is dependency. Permanent dependency is soul-sucking, and no one wins.

In my state, the church is an integral part of community help, whereas we do not tend to look to government to help. That seems to be changing, as more northerners migrate here. But dotting the roads of Florida are mega-churches, where I promise you, anyone can go and get a meal any day, and they help you get back on your feet.

I don't know how to get upstate NY back on its feet, but I do note that one of the great business success stories in America is Chobani. Also, Corning is up that way, and Corning is just an amazing company.

Paychex too, but for every Paychex and Corning (who modernized their business and isn't a glass cookware businesss and hasn't been in 20yrs) there's five Xerox, Endicott Johnson Shoes, Bausch and Laumb, Kodak, etc. My cousin is head of corp security for Corning, very good gig, and he's from Steuben County nearby and that area isn't doing well despite Corning. Frankly, it never made sense that I had an uncle who had an AA and was making $150k as a line production mgr for Kodak which is the problem with those legacy businesses. Low skilled work was overpaid.

Adirondacks, Finger Lakes, there's a ton of beauty in NY State. Also a LOT OF SNOW and COLD. I'm assuming you've either been in a cozy cottage on Saranac Lake in front of a fireplace in the Winter of up in Lake Placid or Au Sable Farms in July. Try Oct or March in upstate NY compared with anything south of Roakoke/Va Beach and you may get the full picture. My hometown, Binghamton is grey and miserable in every way imaginable. Concrete jungle without the population (anymore) or energy with a aging population to justify it.

The south has had a very nice run for a while. I don't think any of the states have invested properly for the growth they've seen and will have a faster rise and fall than the northeast. There's almost a direct correlation between state credit ratings and the scope and quality of infrastructure investment. I see it in SC and GA all the time and have traded municipal bonds in my life where I had to analyze those puppies.

[Peter Brown]

The divide is here. It came with the last crisis. It's just hard to see if you aren't looking. Upstate NY offers a lot of opportunities to see it, Corning/Elmira area, Syracuse area, even Rochester area which I always considered 2nd strongest in the state outside NYC and ahead of Albany despite the steady floor of state gov't there. Suburbs have become exurbs and downtowns look like a middle east war zone. Ripping off a client CFO at a bank that was HQ'd in Gastonia, NC (a sort of suburb of Charlotte) as we walked to lunch down the block "welcome to beruit". Check Kocsiusko or Tupelo MS, Winston Salem or Greensboro, NC, Roanoke, VA etc. I've run all around a dozen or states seeing community and regional banks and there's pain everywhere.

I'm for less involvement in life by gov't generally but one has to acknowledge that pure capitalism to it's extreme leads to feudalism. Arguably the "single family rental" business that was institutionalized post crisis is akin to it.

This is a topic I am immensely fascinated with.

I have been to upstate NY many times. I think some of this country's greatest treasures are up that way, namely, the Adirondack Mountains. But also the rolling hills further upstate, with incredible angus and holstein farms. To me the only real downsides are taxes and the grey skies.

But I do feel like the country writ large always needs to keep an eye on those who do not fare as well and do something about them; this is a key part of my being. By the way, in my previous post I used a word I'd like to take back: "leech". I was being too fast writing; that word is not one I want to use. What I mean simply is dependency. Permanent dependency is soul-sucking, and no one wins.

In my state, the church is an integral part of community help, whereas we do not tend to look to government to help. That seems to be changing, as more northerners migrate here. But dotting the roads of Florida are mega-churches, where I promise you, anyone can go and get a meal any day, and they help you get back on your feet.

I don't know how to get upstate NY back on its feet, but I do note that one of the great business success stories in America is Chobani. Also, Corning is up that way, and Corning is just an amazing company.

Paychex too, but for every Paychex and Corning (who modernized their business and isn't a glass cookware businesss and hasn't been in 20yrs) there's five Xerox, Endicott Johnson Shoes, Bausch and Laumb, Kodak, etc. My cousin is head of corp security for Corning, very good gig, and he's from Steuben County nearby and that area isn't doing well despite Corning. Frankly, it never made sense that I had an uncle who had an AA and was making $150k as a line production mgr for Kodak which is the problem with those legacy businesses. Low skilled work was overpaid.

Adirondacks, Finger Lakes, there's a ton of beauty in NY State. Also a LOT OF SNOW and COLD. I'm assuming you've either been in a cozy cottage on Saranac Lake in front of a fireplace in the Winter of up in Lake Placid or Au Sable Farms in July. Try Oct or March in upstate NY compared with anything south of Roakoke/Va Beach and you may get the full picture. My hometown, Binghamton is grey and miserable in every way imaginable. Concrete jungle without the population (anymore) or energy with a aging population to justify it.

The south has had a very nice run for a while. I don't think any of the states have invested properly for the growth they've seen and will have a faster rise and fall than the northeast. There's almost a direct correlation between state credit ratings and the scope and quality of infrastructure investment. I see it in SC and GA all the time and have traded municipal bonds in my life where I had to analyze those puppies.

Yeah, I know it is a tough life in the winter, but man is it gorgeous in the summer. I've been all over that part of the world, mostly in the Adirondacks, but also much further upstate like Potsdam, Cuse, Rochester. Ironically I've never been to Buffalo, which I do not think is considered 'upstate'.

Been to the lake Placid lacrosse classic. Been to Saratoga horse races. Lake George. Saranac Lake. I've hiked a bunch of the Adirondack mountains. Fished more trout holes in NY State than a man should in one lifetime. This area is truly amazing. But I can see how the winter might drain you. The cows are not bothered by it, it seems. Or college professors, as colleges seem to dot every town up there.

[cradleandshoot]

The divide is here. It came with the last crisis. It's just hard to see if you aren't looking. Upstate NY offers a lot of opportunities to see it, Corning/Elmira area, Syracuse area, even Rochester area which I always considered 2nd strongest in the state outside NYC and ahead of Albany despite the steady floor of state gov't there. Suburbs have become exurbs and downtowns look like a middle east war zone. Ripping off a client CFO at a bank that was HQ'd in Gastonia, NC (a sort of suburb of Charlotte) as we walked to lunch down the block "welcome to beruit". Check Kocsiusko or Tupelo MS, Winston Salem or Greensboro, NC, Roanoke, VA etc. I've run all around a dozen or states seeing community and regional banks and there's pain everywhere.

I'm for less involvement in life by gov't generally but one has to acknowledge that pure capitalism to it's extreme leads to feudalism. Arguably the "single family rental" business that was institutionalized post crisis is akin to it.

This is a topic I am immensely fascinated with.

I have been to upstate NY many times. I think some of this country's greatest treasures are up that way, namely, the Adirondack Mountains. But also the rolling hills further upstate, with incredible angus and holstein farms. To me the only real downsides are taxes and the grey skies.

But I do feel like the country writ large always needs to keep an eye on those who do not fare as well and do something about them; this is a key part of my being. By the way, in my previous post I used a word I'd like to take back: "leech". I was being too fast writing; that word is not one I want to use. What I mean simply is dependency. Permanent dependency is soul-sucking, and no one wins.

In my state, the church is an integral part of community help, whereas we do not tend to look to government to help. That seems to be changing, as more northerners migrate here. But dotting the roads of Florida are mega-churches, where I promise you, anyone can go and get a meal any day, and they help you get back on your feet.

I don't know how to get upstate NY back on its feet, but I do note that one of the great business success stories in America is Chobani. Also, Corning is up that way, and Corning is just an amazing company.

Paychex too, but for every Paychex and Corning (who modernized their business and isn't a glass cookware businesss and hasn't been in 20yrs) there's five Xerox, Endicott Johnson Shoes, Bausch and Laumb, Kodak, etc. My cousin is head of corp security for Corning, very good gig, and he's from Steuben County nearby and that area isn't doing well despite Corning. Frankly, it never made sense that I had an uncle who had an AA and was making $150k as a line production mgr for Kodak which is the problem with those legacy businesses. Low skilled work was overpaid.

Adirondacks, Finger Lakes, there's a ton of beauty in NY State. Also a LOT OF SNOW and COLD. I'm assuming you've either been in a cozy cottage on Saranac Lake in front of a fireplace in the Winter of up in Lake Placid or Au Sable Farms in July. Try Oct or March in upstate NY compared with anything south of Roakoke/Va Beach and you may get the full picture. My hometown, Binghamton is grey and miserable in every way imaginable. Concrete jungle without the population (anymore) or energy with a aging population to justify it.

The south has had a very nice run for a while. I don't think any of the states have invested properly for the growth they've seen and will have a faster rise and fall than the northeast. There's almost a direct correlation between state credit ratings and the scope and quality of infrastructure investment. I see it in SC and GA all the time and have traded municipal bonds in my life where I had to analyze those puppies.

Yeah, I know it is a tough life in the winter, but man is it gorgeous in the summer. I've been all over that part of the world, mostly in the Adirondacks, but also much further upstate like Potsdam, Cuse, Rochester. Ironically I've never been to Buffalo, which I do not think is considered 'upstate'.

Been to the lake Placid lacrosse classic. Been to Saratoga horse races. Lake George. Saranac Lake. I've hiked a bunch of the Adirondack mountains. Fished more trout holes in NY State than a man should in one lifetime. This area is truly amazing. But I can see how the winter might drain you. The cows are not bothered by it, it seems. Or college professors, as colleges seem to dot every town up there.

One of the most breath taking spectacles in Upstate NY comes along in the early to mid fall at Letchworth State Park. You have to get up early and be at one of overlooks at sunrise. The hot air balloons make a flight up the gorge at sunrise and it is an incredible sight to see. After that you can walk the trails and head towards Portageville and eat a great lunch at the Glen Iris Inn.

[Peter Brown]

The divide is here. It came with the last crisis. It's just hard to see if you aren't looking. Upstate NY offers a lot of opportunities to see it, Corning/Elmira area, Syracuse area, even Rochester area which I always considered 2nd strongest in the state outside NYC and ahead of Albany despite the steady floor of state gov't there. Suburbs have become exurbs and downtowns look like a middle east war zone. Ripping off a client CFO at a bank that was HQ'd in Gastonia, NC (a sort of suburb of Charlotte) as we walked to lunch down the block "welcome to beruit". Check Kocsiusko or Tupelo MS, Winston Salem or Greensboro, NC, Roanoke, VA etc. I've run all around a dozen or states seeing community and regional banks and there's pain everywhere.

I'm for less involvement in life by gov't generally but one has to acknowledge that pure capitalism to it's extreme leads to feudalism. Arguably the "single family rental" business that was institutionalized post crisis is akin to it.

This is a topic I am immensely fascinated with.

I have been to upstate NY many times. I think some of this country's greatest treasures are up that way, namely, the Adirondack Mountains. But also the rolling hills further upstate, with incredible angus and holstein farms. To me the only real downsides are taxes and the grey skies.

But I do feel like the country writ large always needs to keep an eye on those who do not fare as well and do something about them; this is a key part of my being. By the way, in my previous post I used a word I'd like to take back: "leech". I was being too fast writing; that word is not one I want to use. What I mean simply is dependency. Permanent dependency is soul-sucking, and no one wins.

In my state, the church is an integral part of community help, whereas we do not tend to look to government to help. That seems to be changing, as more northerners migrate here. But dotting the roads of Florida are mega-churches, where I promise you, anyone can go and get a meal any day, and they help you get back on your feet.

I don't know how to get upstate NY back on its feet, but I do note that one of the great business success stories in America is Chobani. Also, Corning is up that way, and Corning is just an amazing company.

Paychex too, but for every Paychex and Corning (who modernized their business and isn't a glass cookware businesss and hasn't been in 20yrs) there's five Xerox, Endicott Johnson Shoes, Bausch and Laumb, Kodak, etc. My cousin is head of corp security for Corning, very good gig, and he's from Steuben County nearby and that area isn't doing well despite Corning. Frankly, it never made sense that I had an uncle who had an AA and was making $150k as a line production mgr for Kodak which is the problem with those legacy businesses. Low skilled work was overpaid.

Adirondacks, Finger Lakes, there's a ton of beauty in NY State. Also a LOT OF SNOW and COLD. I'm assuming you've either been in a cozy cottage on Saranac Lake in front of a fireplace in the Winter of up in Lake Placid or Au Sable Farms in July. Try Oct or March in upstate NY compared with anything south of Roakoke/Va Beach and you may get the full picture. My hometown, Binghamton is grey and miserable in every way imaginable. Concrete jungle without the population (anymore) or energy with a aging population to justify it.

The south has had a very nice run for a while. I don't think any of the states have invested properly for the growth they've seen and will have a faster rise and fall than the northeast. There's almost a direct correlation between state credit ratings and the scope and quality of infrastructure investment. I see it in SC and GA all the time and have traded municipal bonds in my life where I had to analyze those puppies.

Yeah, I know it is a tough life in the winter, but man is it gorgeous in the summer. I've been all over that part of the world, mostly in the Adirondacks, but also much further upstate like Potsdam, Cuse, Rochester. Ironically I've never been to Buffalo, which I do not think is considered 'upstate'.

Been to the lake Placid lacrosse classic. Been to Saratoga horse races. Lake George. Saranac Lake. I've hiked a bunch of the Adirondack mountains. Fished more trout holes in NY State than a man should in one lifetime. This area is truly amazing. But I can see how the winter might drain you. The cows are not bothered by it, it seems. Or college professors, as colleges seem to dot every town up there.

One of the most breath taking spectacles in Upstate NY comes along in the early to mid fall at Letchworth State Park. You have to get up early and be at one of overlooks at sunrise. The hot air balloons make a flight up the gorge at sunrise and it is an incredible sight to see. After that you can walk the trails and head towards Portageville and eat a great lunch at the Glen Iris Inn.

Sold!!

[cradleandshoot]

The divide is here. It came with the last crisis. It's just hard to see if you aren't looking. Upstate NY offers a lot of opportunities to see it, Corning/Elmira area, Syracuse area, even Rochester area which I always considered 2nd strongest in the state outside NYC and ahead of Albany despite the steady floor of state gov't there. Suburbs have become exurbs and downtowns look like a middle east war zone. Ripping off a client CFO at a bank that was HQ'd in Gastonia, NC (a sort of suburb of Charlotte) as we walked to lunch down the block "welcome to beruit". Check Kocsiusko or Tupelo MS, Winston Salem or Greensboro, NC, Roanoke, VA etc. I've run all around a dozen or states seeing community and regional banks and there's pain everywhere.

I'm for less involvement in life by gov't generally but one has to acknowledge that pure capitalism to it's extreme leads to feudalism. Arguably the "single family rental" business that was institutionalized post crisis is akin to it.

This is a topic I am immensely fascinated with.

I have been to upstate NY many times. I think some of this country's greatest treasures are up that way, namely, the Adirondack Mountains. But also the rolling hills further upstate, with incredible angus and holstein farms. To me the only real downsides are taxes and the grey skies.

But I do feel like the country writ large always needs to keep an eye on those who do not fare as well and do something about them; this is a key part of my being. By the way, in my previous post I used a word I'd like to take back: "leech". I was being too fast writing; that word is not one I want to use. What I mean simply is dependency. Permanent dependency is soul-sucking, and no one wins.

In my state, the church is an integral part of community help, whereas we do not tend to look to government to help. That seems to be changing, as more northerners migrate here. But dotting the roads of Florida are mega-churches, where I promise you, anyone can go and get a meal any day, and they help you get back on your feet.

I don't know how to get upstate NY back on its feet, but I do note that one of the great business success stories in America is Chobani. Also, Corning is up that way, and Corning is just an amazing company.

Paychex too, but for every Paychex and Corning (who modernized their business and isn't a glass cookware businesss and hasn't been in 20yrs) there's five Xerox, Endicott Johnson Shoes, Bausch and Laumb, Kodak, etc. My cousin is head of corp security for Corning, very good gig, and he's from Steuben County nearby and that area isn't doing well despite Corning. Frankly, it never made sense that I had an uncle who had an AA and was making $150k as a line production mgr for Kodak which is the problem with those legacy businesses. Low skilled work was overpaid.

Adirondacks, Finger Lakes, there's a ton of beauty in NY State. Also a LOT OF SNOW and COLD. I'm assuming you've either been in a cozy cottage on Saranac Lake in front of a fireplace in the Winter of up in Lake Placid or Au Sable Farms in July. Try Oct or March in upstate NY compared with anything south of Roakoke/Va Beach and you may get the full picture. My hometown, Binghamton is grey and miserable in every way imaginable. Concrete jungle without the population (anymore) or energy with a aging population to justify it.

The south has had a very nice run for a while. I don't think any of the states have invested properly for the growth they've seen and will have a faster rise and fall than the northeast. There's almost a direct correlation between state credit ratings and the scope and quality of infrastructure investment. I see it in SC and GA all the time and have traded municipal bonds in my life where I had to analyze those puppies.

Yeah, I know it is a tough life in the winter, but man is it gorgeous in the summer. I've been all over that part of the world, mostly in the Adirondacks, but also much further upstate like Potsdam, Cuse, Rochester. Ironically I've never been to Buffalo, which I do not think is considered 'upstate'.

Been to the lake Placid lacrosse classic. Been to Saratoga horse races. Lake George. Saranac Lake. I've hiked a bunch of the Adirondack mountains. Fished more trout holes in NY State than a man should in one lifetime. This area is truly amazing. But I can see how the winter might drain you. The cows are not bothered by it, it seems. Or college professors, as colleges seem to dot every town up there.

One of the most breath taking spectacles in Upstate NY comes along in the early to mid fall at Letchworth State Park. You have to get up early and be at one of overlooks at sunrise. The hot air balloons make a flight up the gorge at sunrise and it is an incredible sight to see. After that you can walk the trails and head towards Portageville and eat a great lunch at the Glen Iris Inn.

Sold!!

I guarantee you will not be disappointed. If you catch the hot air balloons at sunrise, bring your camera. When i was there many years ago they caught us by surprise. It was an amazing sight that i remember just like it was yesterday. The sad part was we did not get any pictures. If you have young ones and you walk the gorge trails, hold their hands tight. These trails are just a few feet away from a 250 foot drop off.