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a fan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:55 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm ]...then turned right around and told us that that's super cool, so long as we're going after Biden and the little D by his name.

example please.

No problemo. Trump, using the power of his office to call another world leader, asking him to announce a fake investigation into the Biden Family?

Old Salt's laughable reaction? Oh it's totally cool with you, and a complete 180 over your clutching at pearls over using the power of government to attack political enemies.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm I wanted the facts on the Biden family foreign influence peddling to become public.

Again, yet another 180 from your feelings on conflicts of interest in governance. You mocked anyone who dared point out TrumpFamily conflicts of interest. Mock after mock after mock.

But the millisecond a little D hits Old Salt's radar? Out come the buffalo bagels as to how this conflict of interest "is different", and suddenly Old Salt gets religion, and now----hilariously, and with no shame-----tells us "gee whiz golly, even the potential of a conflict of interest in the BIden Family makes me woozy---I DEMAND that this get investigated.

And the best part? Your ridiculous idea of asking that the PRESS look into Biden conflicts, as if this somehow absolves your hypocrisy of not giving a *hit at the countless of conflicts of interest when Trump did it.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm I never expected or called for them to be criminalized. I preferred the media do the snooping with the same vigor they brought to Trump family business dealings

Right. You want it both ways. You want to mock others for getting po'ed at the asinine Trump conflict....while out of the other side of your mouth, you want them to go after Hunter to your satisfaction.

Nope. That ain't how it works. What you SHOULD say is: I've said from the get go, that these conflicts are immaterial to governances, so we should ignore them.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm Rudy was not a govt agent or operating covertly.

Right. "Therefore" it was ok.....that's your sales pitch? Please. No one is this stupid.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm He was trying to do the same thing that Glenn Simpson & Christopher Steele did for HRC & DNC, just not as effectively.

FFS with these excuses, OS. Come on.

Hillary wasn't a sitting freaking President. And btw----you are LIVID at that document. You won't shut up about it.

Yet you're telling me that in your deluded mind, the Steele Dossier is the same thing as Rudy going to Urkaine to find dirt on Biden.....except you think the Steele Dossier is an attempted coup, while Giuliani's work is harmless.

Your entire worldview is 1000% dependent on little R's and D's. If the D's do it? Oh, it's coup. If the R's do it? Oh, it's totally fine, and everyone is stupid to be bothered by it......

a fan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:55 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm ]...then turned right around and told us that that's super cool, so long as we're going after Biden and the little D by his name.

example please.

No problemo. Trump, using the power of his office to call another world leader, asking him to announce a fake investigation into the Biden Family?

Old Salt's laughable reaction? Oh it's totally cool with you, and a complete 180 over your clutching at pearls over using the power of government to attack political enemies.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm I wanted the facts on the Biden family foreign influence peddling to become public.

Again, yet another 180 from your feelings on conflicts of interest in governance. You mocked anyone who dared point out TrumpFamily conflicts of interest. Mock after mock after mock.

But the millisecond a little D hits Old Salt's radar? Out come the buffalo bagels as to how this conflict of interest "is different", and suddenly Old Salt gets religion, and now----hilariously, and with no shame-----tells us "gee whiz golly, even the potential of a conflict of interest in the BIden Family makes me woozy---I DEMAND that this get investigated.

And the best part? Your ridiculous idea of asking that the PRESS look into Biden conflicts, as if this somehow absolves your hypocrisy of not giving a *hit at the countless of conflicts of interest when Trump did it.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm I never expected or called for them to be criminalized. I preferred the media do the snooping with the same vigor they brought to Trump family business dealings

Right. You want it both ways. You want to mock others for getting po'ed at the asinine Trump conflict....while out of the other side of your mouth, you want them to go after Hunter to your satisfaction.

Nope. That ain't how it works. What you SHOULD say is: I've said from the get go, that these conflicts are immaterial to governances, so we should ignore them.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm Rudy was not a govt agent or operating covertly.

Right. "Therefore" it was ok.....that's your sales pitch? Please. No one is this stupid.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm He was trying to do the same thing that Glenn Simpson & Christopher Steele did for HRC & DNC, just not as effectively.

FFS with these excuses, OS. Come on.

Hillary wasn't a sitting freaking President. And btw----you are LIVID at that document. You won't shut up about it.

Yet you're telling me that in your deluded mind, the Steele Dossier is the same thing as Rudy going to Urkaine to find dirt on Biden.....except you think the Steele Dossier is an attempted coup, while Giuliani's work is harmless.

Your entire worldview is 1000% dependent on little R's and D's. If the D's do it? Oh, it's coup. If the R's do it? Oh, it's totally fine, and everyone is stupid to be bothered by it......

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:02 pm It was a legit request by Trump, from one national leader to another, to account for past US aid, for it to be continued.
Trump's request was not done covertly

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm It was a legit request -- that's why there were zero (R) votes to convict on that impeachment count.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm Rudy going to Ukraine doing oppo was no different than Simpson using Steele to collect oppo from Russian sources.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm He just didn't pass it off to our IC & media as legit intel.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm Hunter's emails show there was a there there.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm I wanted the media to investigate Biden family foreign influence peddling with the same vigor they investigated Trump family business.

a fan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:25 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:02 pm It was a legit request by Trump, from one national leader to another, to account for past US aid, for it to be continued.
Trump's request was not done covertly

What are you talking about? The phone call to the Ukrainian President for the "favor" was 1000% covert----until a whistleblower called bullsh*t. Not only is it not ok to involve a Head of State to attack the man you're running against in an election-----Trump asked him to simply ANNOUNCE a fake investigation into Hunter and Joe. At no point is that legit.

However, if you REALLY think that was ok? That's fine. But guess what that means? That means you have to shut up about your Deep State, and the FBI and Co. doing their job. Pick one. And, of course, you can't do that, because D's are bad, and R's are good.

To quote you directly: Trump's candidacy does not give him immunity from scrutiny. You don't get to whine about anything US Intel did when examining Trump's conflicts, lies, and dealings with foreign countries.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm It was a legit request -- that's why there were zero (R) votes to convict on that impeachment count.

Right. THAT's why. Honest Republicans thought what Trump did was neat-o. BTW, you forgot that Romney voted to impeach Trump. Whoops, there goes your theory.

Can't wait for the first corrupt Dem to waltz in, and open investigations into every single Republican in office. And watch you say "hey, I don't like this".

The curtain is pulled, OS. All you care about are R's and Ds'. You have ZERO interest in fairness, justice, or ethics.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm Rudy going to Ukraine doing oppo was no different than Simpson using Steele to collect oppo from Russian sources.

You can't even keep your complaints straight.

Ummmm----did you forget how mad you were about Steele? Four years of complaints about it, and counting? And yet here you are telling me that what Rudy did is fine...even though you think Steele's work and Rudy's are the same thing.

Yet one (Steele) is treasonous work to undermine a President, and the other (Rudy) is legitimate work.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm He just didn't pass it off to our IC & media as legit intel.

Yeah, he did. That's precisely what he did. And Barr commented that yep, he takes all tips from citizens. Remember?

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm Hunter's emails show there was a there there.

And Trump's meeting with a Russian spy show there was a there there, too.

Yet.......investigating TeamTrump was a coup, but investigating Biden is sparkle-awesome.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm I wanted the media to investigate Biden family foreign influence peddling with the same vigor they investigated Trump family business.

That's a patent lie. You were clearly annoyed that the media dared call out Trump family conflicts, and mocked it every chance you had. And mocked your fellow posters who were upset by the conflicts.

Now that it's a little D's turn? You completely change your mind, and act like Biden conflicts are terrible. It's absurd. You're not this childish.

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:44 pm Hunter is not the President. I am pretty sure he didn't even run for President. There are distinctions here that you insist don't exist. They do; facts are hard, unless you're a Republican.

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:02 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:55 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm ]...then turned right around and told us that that's super cool, so long as we're going after Biden and the little D by his name.

example please.

No problemo. Trump, using the power of his office to call another world leader, asking him to announce a fake investigation into the Biden Family?

Old Salt's laughable reaction? Oh it's totally cool with you, and a complete 180 over your clutching at pearls over using the power of government to attack political enemies.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm I wanted the facts on the Biden family foreign influence peddling to become public.

Again, yet another 180 from your feelings on conflicts of interest in governance. You mocked anyone who dared point out TrumpFamily conflicts of interest. Mock after mock after mock.

But the millisecond a little D hits Old Salt's radar? Out come the buffalo bagels as to how this conflict of interest "is different", and suddenly Old Salt gets religion, and now----hilariously, and with no shame-----tells us "gee whiz golly, even the potential of a conflict of interest in the BIden Family makes me woozy---I DEMAND that this get investigated.

And the best part? Your ridiculous idea of asking that the PRESS look into Biden conflicts, as if this somehow absolves your hypocrisy of not giving a *hit at the countless of conflicts of interest when Trump did it.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm I never expected or called for them to be criminalized. I preferred the media do the snooping with the same vigor they brought to Trump family business dealings

Right. You want it both ways. You want to mock others for getting po'ed at the asinine Trump conflict....while out of the other side of your mouth, you want them to go after Hunter to your satisfaction.

Nope. That ain't how it works. What you SHOULD say is: I've said from the get go, that these conflicts are immaterial to governances, so we should ignore them.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm Rudy was not a govt agent or operating covertly.

Right. "Therefore" it was ok.....that's your sales pitch? Please. No one is this stupid.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm He was trying to do the same thing that Glenn Simpson & Christopher Steele did for HRC & DNC, just not as effectively.

FFS with these excuses, OS. Come on.

Hillary wasn't a sitting freaking President. And btw----you are LIVID at that document. You won't shut up about it.

Yet you're telling me that in your deluded mind, the Steele Dossier is the same thing as Rudy going to Urkaine to find dirt on Biden.....except you think the Steele Dossier is an attempted coup, while Giuliani's work is harmless.

Your entire worldview is 1000% dependent on little R's and D's. If the D's do it? Oh, it's coup. If the R's do it? Oh, it's totally fine, and everyone is stupid to be bothered by it......

It was a legit request by Trump, from one national leader to another, to account for past US aid, for it to be continued.
Trump's request was not done covertly. Biden's candidacy does not give him immunity from scrutiny. A new transparent leader in Ukraine presented the opportunity to see how US aid was spent when Ukraine was extremely corrupt. It was a legit request -- that's why there were zero (R) votes to convict on that impeachment count.

Rudy going to Ukraine doing oppo was no different than Simpson using Steele to collect oppo from Russian sources.
He just didn't pass it off to our IC & media as legit intel. He was trying to get them to investigate. Obama holdovers in our embassy blocked him. Ken Vogel was the only reporter who investigated & the NYT shut him down as soon as they hired him away from Politico.
Hunter's emails show there was a there there. If the (R)'s hold the Senate, we may learn more.
I wanted the media to investigate Biden family foreign influence peddling with the same vigor they investigated Trump family business.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:13 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:02 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:55 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm ]...then turned right around and told us that that's super cool, so long as we're going after Biden and the little D by his name.

example please.

No problemo. Trump, using the power of his office to call another world leader, asking him to announce a fake investigation into the Biden Family?

Old Salt's laughable reaction? Oh it's totally cool with you, and a complete 180 over your clutching at pearls over using the power of government to attack political enemies.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm I wanted the facts on the Biden family foreign influence peddling to become public.

Again, yet another 180 from your feelings on conflicts of interest in governance. You mocked anyone who dared point out TrumpFamily conflicts of interest. Mock after mock after mock.

But the millisecond a little D hits Old Salt's radar? Out come the buffalo bagels as to how this conflict of interest "is different", and suddenly Old Salt gets religion, and now----hilariously, and with no shame-----tells us "gee whiz golly, even the potential of a conflict of interest in the BIden Family makes me woozy---I DEMAND that this get investigated.

And the best part? Your ridiculous idea of asking that the PRESS look into Biden conflicts, as if this somehow absolves your hypocrisy of not giving a *hit at the countless of conflicts of interest when Trump did it.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm I never expected or called for them to be criminalized. I preferred the media do the snooping with the same vigor they brought to Trump family business dealings

Right. You want it both ways. You want to mock others for getting po'ed at the asinine Trump conflict....while out of the other side of your mouth, you want them to go after Hunter to your satisfaction.

Nope. That ain't how it works. What you SHOULD say is: I've said from the get go, that these conflicts are immaterial to governances, so we should ignore them.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm Rudy was not a govt agent or operating covertly.

Right. "Therefore" it was ok.....that's your sales pitch? Please. No one is this stupid.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm He was trying to do the same thing that Glenn Simpson & Christopher Steele did for HRC & DNC, just not as effectively.

FFS with these excuses, OS. Come on.

Hillary wasn't a sitting freaking President. And btw----you are LIVID at that document. You won't shut up about it.

Yet you're telling me that in your deluded mind, the Steele Dossier is the same thing as Rudy going to Urkaine to find dirt on Biden.....except you think the Steele Dossier is an attempted coup, while Giuliani's work is harmless.

Your entire worldview is 1000% dependent on little R's and D's. If the D's do it? Oh, it's coup. If the R's do it? Oh, it's totally fine, and everyone is stupid to be bothered by it......

It was a legit request by Trump, from one national leader to another, to account for past US aid, for it to be continued.
Trump's request was not done covertly. Biden's candidacy does not give him immunity from scrutiny. A new transparent leader in Ukraine presented the opportunity to see how US aid was spent when Ukraine was extremely corrupt. It was a legit request -- that's why there were zero (R) votes to convict on that impeachment count.

Rudy going to Ukraine doing oppo was no different than Simpson using Steele to collect oppo from Russian sources.
He just didn't pass it off to our IC & media as legit intel. He was trying to get them to investigate. Obama holdovers in our embassy blocked him. Ken Vogel was the only reporter who investigated & the NYT shut him down as soon as they hired him away from Politico.
Hunter's emails show there was a there there. If the (R)'s hold the Senate, we may learn more.
I wanted the media to investigate Biden family foreign influence peddling with the same vigor they investigated Trump family business.

Build it Back Better!!!

calourie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:03 pmOne last "Come on" Salty. You are going out of your way to continue to support and make false equivalancies for a man who is currently doing all he can to undermine America's belief in democratic principles and the execution of fair elections. This is a travesty, and you are certainly smart enough to know better than to continue to act as though this behavior hasn't been applied throughout his four years in office. Each to his own, I suppose, and there is no reason for you to give a rip about my point of view, but I will say it is just sad to see you fight tooth and nail to defend such an un-American abomination after all the service you have rendered this country.

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:55 pm

calourie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:03 pmOne last "Come on" Salty. You are going out of your way to continue to support and make false equivalancies for a man who is currently doing all he can to undermine America's belief in democratic principles and the execution of fair elections. This is a travesty, and you are certainly smart enough to know better than to continue to act as though this behavior hasn't been applied throughout his four years in office. Each to his own, I suppose, and there is no reason for you to give a rip about my point of view, but I will say it is just sad to see you fight tooth and nail to defend such an un-American abomination after all the service you have rendered this country.

Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. I smell more than one rat. Trump's opponents look good only in contrast to him. Biden deserves the same media scrutiny which Trump received, not the media tongue bath he recieved during the campaign. Trump will soon be yesterday's story. Let's see how Biden's policies toward Ukraine, Russia & China play out. Will Biden add Belarus to Ukraine & Georgia on his NATO membership dance card ? Will he follow through on Obama's promised pivot to Asia, which Trump was the only one to act upon , or will he tell us again that the Communist Chinese aren't such bad guys ? Will he defend Taiwan & stand up for the rights of Hong Kong with the same fervor he supported Ukraine ? Will he continue to pressure our NATO & Pacific allies to contribute more to our common defense ? Let's see what he does.
IMHO, we made great strides the past 4 years on the national security front. To me, that was worth putting up with Trump. Results & readiness over rhetoric & symbolism. Let's see how Putin & Xi respond to soft power & empty, soaring rhetoric, not to mention Kim & the Mullahs.
Be well.

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:55 pm

calourie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:03 pmOne last "Come on" Salty. You are going out of your way to continue to support and make false equivalancies for a man who is currently doing all he can to undermine America's belief in democratic principles and the execution of fair elections. This is a travesty, and you are certainly smart enough to know better than to continue to act as though this behavior hasn't been applied throughout his four years in office. Each to his own, I suppose, and there is no reason for you to give a rip about my point of view, but I will say it is just sad to see you fight tooth and nail to defend such an un-American abomination after all the service you have rendered this country.

Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. I smell more than one rat. Trump's opponents look good only in contrast to him. Biden deserves the same media scrutiny which Trump received, not the media tongue bath he recieved during the campaign. Trump will soon be yesterday's story. Let's see how Biden's policies toward Ukraine, Russia & China play out. Will Biden add Belarus to Ukraine & Georgia on his NATO membership dance card ? Will he follow through on Obama's promised pivot to Asia, which Trump was the only one to act upon , or will he tell us again that the Communist Chinese aren't such bad guys ? Will he defend Taiwan & stand up for the rights of Hong Kong with the same fervor he supported Ukraine ? Will he continue to pressure our NATO & Pacific allies to contribute more to our common defense ? Let's see what he does.
IMHO, we made great strides the past 4 years on the national security front. To me, that was worth putting up with Trump. Results & readiness over rhetoric & symbolism. Let's see how Putin & Xi respond to soft power & empty, soaring rhetoric, not to mention Kim & the Mullahs.
Be well.

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:41 pm We had 4 years of non-stop 24/7 Trump-Russia bombshell reporting, investigations & conspiracy theories, which are still being spun out.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm Yet you & your fellow Dems, & media lackeys, won't even look at Hunter's emails. Willfull blindness.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:24 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:55 pm

calourie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:03 pmOne last "Come on" Salty. You are going out of your way to continue to support and make false equivalancies for a man who is currently doing all he can to undermine America's belief in democratic principles and the execution of fair elections. This is a travesty, and you are certainly smart enough to know better than to continue to act as though this behavior hasn't been applied throughout his four years in office. Each to his own, I suppose, and there is no reason for you to give a rip about my point of view, but I will say it is just sad to see you fight tooth and nail to defend such an un-American abomination after all the service you have rendered this country.

Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. I smell more than one rat. Trump's opponents look good only in contrast to him. Biden deserves the same media scrutiny which Trump received, not the media tongue bath he recieved during the campaign. Trump will soon be yesterday's story. Let's see how Biden's policies toward Ukraine, Russia & China play out. Will Biden add Belarus to Ukraine & Georgia on his NATO membership dance card ? Will he follow through on Obama's promised pivot to Asia, which Trump was the only one to act upon , or will he tell us again that the Communist Chinese aren't such bad guys ? Will he defend Taiwan & stand up for the rights of Hong Kong with the same fervor he supported Ukraine ? Will he continue to pressure our NATO & Pacific allies to contribute more to our common defense ? Let's see what he does.
IMHO, we made great strides the past 4 years on the national security front. To me, that was worth putting up with Trump. Results & readiness over rhetoric & symbolism. Let's see how Putin & Xi respond to soft power & empty, soaring rhetoric, not to mention Kim & the Mullahs.
Be well.

Biden was duly elected. His supporters will be ok with his foreign policy decisions....otherwise they would not have voted for him. Elections have consequences and Biden’s decisions will reflect the will of the people.....

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:29 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:24 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:55 pm

calourie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:03 pmOne last "Come on" Salty. You are going out of your way to continue to support and make false equivalancies for a man who is currently doing all he can to undermine America's belief in democratic principles and the execution of fair elections. This is a travesty, and you are certainly smart enough to know better than to continue to act as though this behavior hasn't been applied throughout his four years in office. Each to his own, I suppose, and there is no reason for you to give a rip about my point of view, but I will say it is just sad to see you fight tooth and nail to defend such an un-American abomination after all the service you have rendered this country.

Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. I smell more than one rat. Trump's opponents look good only in contrast to him. Biden deserves the same media scrutiny which Trump received, not the media tongue bath he recieved during the campaign. Trump will soon be yesterday's story. Let's see how Biden's policies toward Ukraine, Russia & China play out. Will Biden add Belarus to Ukraine & Georgia on his NATO membership dance card ? Will he follow through on Obama's promised pivot to Asia, which Trump was the only one to act upon , or will he tell us again that the Communist Chinese aren't such bad guys ? Will he defend Taiwan & stand up for the rights of Hong Kong with the same fervor he supported Ukraine ? Will he continue to pressure our NATO & Pacific allies to contribute more to our common defense ? Let's see what he does.
IMHO, we made great strides the past 4 years on the national security front. To me, that was worth putting up with Trump. Results & readiness over rhetoric & symbolism. Let's see how Putin & Xi respond to soft power & empty, soaring rhetoric, not to mention Kim & the Mullahs.
Be well.

Biden was duly elected. His supporters will be ok with his foreign policy decisions....otherwise they would not have voted for him. Elections have consequences and Biden’s decisions will reflect the will of the people.....

Agree. I am not advocating a coup or a Resistance. A Loyal Opposition has a duty to offer constructive questioning & advice.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:35 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:29 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:24 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:55 pm

calourie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:03 pmOne last "Come on" Salty. You are going out of your way to continue to support and make false equivalancies for a man who is currently doing all he can to undermine America's belief in democratic principles and the execution of fair elections. This is a travesty, and you are certainly smart enough to know better than to continue to act as though this behavior hasn't been applied throughout his four years in office. Each to his own, I suppose, and there is no reason for you to give a rip about my point of view, but I will say it is just sad to see you fight tooth and nail to defend such an un-American abomination after all the service you have rendered this country.

Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. I smell more than one rat. Trump's opponents look good only in contrast to him. Biden deserves the same media scrutiny which Trump received, not the media tongue bath he recieved during the campaign. Trump will soon be yesterday's story. Let's see how Biden's policies toward Ukraine, Russia & China play out. Will Biden add Belarus to Ukraine & Georgia on his NATO membership dance card ? Will he follow through on Obama's promised pivot to Asia, which Trump was the only one to act upon , or will he tell us again that the Communist Chinese aren't such bad guys ? Will he defend Taiwan & stand up for the rights of Hong Kong with the same fervor he supported Ukraine ? Will he continue to pressure our NATO & Pacific allies to contribute more to our common defense ? Let's see what he does.
IMHO, we made great strides the past 4 years on the national security front. To me, that was worth putting up with Trump. Results & readiness over rhetoric & symbolism. Let's see how Putin & Xi respond to soft power & empty, soaring rhetoric, not to mention Kim & the Mullahs.
Be well.

Biden was duly elected. His supporters will be ok with his foreign policy decisions....otherwise they would not have voted for him. Elections have consequences and Biden’s decisions will reflect the will of the people.....

Agree. I am not advocating a coup or a Resistance. A Loyal Opposition has a duty to offer constructive questioning & advice.

Un huh.

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:11 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:41 pm We had 4 years of non-stop 24/7 Trump-Russia bombshell reporting, investigations & conspiracy theories, which are still being spun out.

Yeah, we also had 4 years of 24/7 non-stop Deep State Reporting, 6 (six, FFS) investigations & conspiracy theories that are still being spun out.

The former gets you all upset. The latter? You cheer for it. Hypocrisy much?

And yep, I'm calling you out for your hypocrisy. Conspiracy theories with zero evidence is fine for Old Salt with his alleged coup. What upsets you and the rest of TrumpNation is when someone else does it. The only people allowed to strap on the TinFoil is you. You STILL think there was a Deep State Coup after all this time, with zero evidence presented. And yet at the same time, you mock others for their stupid theories.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm Yet you & your fellow Dems, & media lackeys, won't even look at Hunter's emails. Willfull blindness.

Right. So what you're telling us here: you want us to not act like Old Salt did for 4 years. Do you not understand how completely asinine this request of yours is? TLD gave you just a snippet of all the dumb excuses you gave us as to why TeamTrump's behaviors and policies were fine by you.

-so what, that's not illegal
-I like his policies, so I ignore his behavior
-you're a child if you point out TrumpFamily conflicts of interest
-you guys are already complaining, so why should I pile on?
-you have TDS
-that felony "doesn't count" as a real felony
-oh, you guys are stupid for taking what our President says literally
-we knew who he was before we elected Trump, "therefore" what he does is ok


On and on and and on. Four years of it. And now we haven't even STARTED Biden's term, and here comes Old Salt, demanding that his fellow Americans and media don't treat Biden the same way Old Salt handled Trump.

My response to this is: . I appreciate the advice of yours to not behave like you did any time Trump's name came up.

And I told you this was coming....that you wouldn't be able to complain about a single thing that Biden did without us laughing at you. Well here we are, in the bed you made for yourself.

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:36 pm
For MD -- to be effective, soft power must be a velvet glove covering an iron fist (to paraphrase James Baker, Trump voter).

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:43 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:11 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:41 pm We had 4 years of non-stop 24/7 Trump-Russia bombshell reporting, investigations & conspiracy theories, which are still being spun out.

Yeah, we also had 4 years of 24/7 non-stop Deep State Reporting, 6 (six, FFS) investigations & conspiracy theories that are still being spun out.

The former gets you all upset. The latter? You cheer for it. Hypocrisy much?

And yep, I'm calling you out for your hypocrisy. Conspiracy theories with zero evidence is fine for Old Salt with his alleged coup. What upsets you and the rest of TrumpNation is when someone else does it. The only people allowed to strap on the TinFoil is you. You STILL think there was a Deep State Coup after all this time, with zero evidence presented. And yet at the same time, you mock others for their stupid theories.

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm Yet you & your fellow Dems, & media lackeys, won't even look at Hunter's emails. Willfull blindness.

Right. So what you're telling us here: you want us to not act like Old Salt did for 4 years. Do you not understand how completely asinine this request of yours is? TLD gave you just a snippet of all the dumb excuses you gave us as to why TeamTrump's behaviors and policies were fine by you.

-so what, that's not illegal
-I like his policies, so I ignore his behavior
-you're a child if you point out TrumpFamily conflicts of interest
-you guys are already complaining, so why should I pile on?
-you have TDS
-that felony "doesn't count" as a real felony
-oh, you guys are stupid for taking what our President says literally
-we knew who he was before we elected Trump, "therefore" what he does is ok


On and on and and on. Four years of it. And now we haven't even STARTED Biden's term, and here comes Old Salt, demanding that his fellow Americans and media don't treat Biden the same way Old Salt handled Trump.

My response to this is: . I appreciate the advice of yours to not behave like you did any time Trump's name came up.

And I told you this was coming....that you wouldn't be able to complain about a single thing that Biden did without us laughing at you. Well here we are, in the bed you made for yourself.

Blah, blah, blah. I want to know...
-- who benefited from the boatloads of USAID $$$ shipped to Ukraine.
-- how Biden's family traded on Joe's name.
Both legit questions, as were learning the details of Manafort's & Gate's dealings in Ukraine or Flynn's with Turkey.

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:43 pm Blah, blah, blah. I want to know...

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:29 pm ]Agree. I am not advocating a coup or a Resistance. A Loyal Opposition has a duty to offer constructive questioning & advice.